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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1150 on: November 08, 2019, 01:53:13 am »
RE: New PACE Website

By the way, another glitch has surfaced: Many of you probably cannot access the new website. For some reason, Many people in the US can only link to the old website. It seems that the new site is slowwwwwlly downloaded to various servers around the world, but is taking it's good old time in many areas. For example people in Boston Mass only see the old site, but in UK and Australia, they can access the new! Believe it or not, I cannot enter the new site at the office in Maryland, but I can access it in Virginia, where I live! This is extremely frustrating for us at PACE as well as our customers. Just want you to be aware of the situation so you're not confused.

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Thanks Aaron for the update. I got a message on my telephone from PACE, but its hard to return calls during business hours, if you could have your colleges use my email that would be very helpful! Hopefully that part of the order processing works. Cheers, Brian
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1151 on: November 08, 2019, 02:47:30 am »
The new site also displays list pricing based on your IP address, so Europeans should see prices in Euro, UK residents should see £, and US/Canada should see US$. IN Asia/Australia, it should should our export list pricing (slightly higher pricing) in USD. Can some of you in Europe, UK and Australia confirm?


Hi Aaron.  How does this work if I'm in Asia, but would want to purchase a station shipped to a US address?  Where I live there's a lot of us who handle the shipping and import fees ourselves because local prices are regularly quite insane.


And... a more general question for existing users (but probably particularly Shock ;D):  Would it make sense to consider getting an ADS200 when I already have a Metcal MX-500?  (For personal use.)  I love my Metcal.  It's a joy to use comming from Wellers at work I've used in the past, but I've found on some boards I do with any kind of larger ground plane, I struggle with getting enough heat to the joint.  I actually have a repair job which I've put aside indefinitely because I can't solder the SMT inductor in place.  Granted I could try to pick up a bigger tip, or a higher temperature rated one, but the one frustrating thing about the Metcal is it needs a different tip for a different temperature, there's no fine control, and those tips aren't cheap  (while I am... budget conscious).  It probably doesn't help that the MX-500 is only rated at 40W.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1152 on: November 08, 2019, 07:54:32 am »
And... a more general question for existing users (but probably particularly Shock ;D):  Would it make sense to consider getting an ADS200 when I already have a Metcal MX-500?  (For personal use.)  I love my Metcal.  It's a joy to use coming from Wellers at work I've used in the past, but I've found on some boards I do with any kind of larger ground plane, I struggle with getting enough heat to the joint.  I actually have a repair job which I've put aside indefinitely because I can't solder the SMT inductor in place.  Granted I could try to pick up a bigger tip, or a higher temperature rated one, but the one frustrating thing about the Metcal is it needs a different tip for a different temperature, there's no fine control, and those tips aren't cheap  (while I am... budget conscious).  It probably doesn't help that the MX-500 is only rated at 40W.

From others observations the MX-500 40W apparently has similar performance to the FX-951 which is 70W.

The obvious advantage of temp adjustable is you can turn up the heat for the application. As for buying another soldering station, I don't see that as a problem. Most people end up doing this anyway when they upgrade. The tip tool also that comes with the Pace is better than a silicon pad for removing tips.
Soldering/Rework: Pace ADS200, Pace MBT350
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1153 on: November 10, 2019, 10:36:39 am »
The obvious advantage of temp adjustable is you can turn up the heat for the application. As for buying another soldering station, I don't see that as a problem. Most people end up doing this anyway when they upgrade. The tip tool also that comes with the Pace is better than a silicon pad for removing tips.

Hmm, would you consider the ADS200 to be an upgrade over the MX-500 then?  My hope is that with the appropriate tip and set temp I'd have an easier time with ground planes and the like.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1154 on: November 10, 2019, 10:01:04 pm »
Hmm, would you consider the ADS200 to be an upgrade over the MX-500 then?  My hope is that with the appropriate tip and set temp I'd have an easier time with ground planes and the like.

An upgrade in every way but you cannot overcome physics, there is a wall. The only way to deliver more heat into the joint with just an iron alone (aside from prep cleaning and flux), is a larger tip providing more contact, higher temp and more power available to recover losses. I assume the heating efficiency of the MX-500 40W is not three times its power rating, so similar to FX-951 70W does make sense. If I was presented with buying both stations new and even if the MX-500 had similar performance as the ADS200 I'd go with the ADS200 due to the price/operating costs, temp flexibility and aluminum handpiece.
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Soldering/Rework: Pace ADS200, Pace MBT350
Multimeters: Fluke 87V, 117, 27/FM     >>> Fluke 51/52 Thermometer Parts Required <<<
Oscilloscopes: Rigol DS1054Z, Phillips PM3065
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1155 on: November 10, 2019, 10:32:25 pm »
.. I'd go with the ADS200 due to the price/operating costs, temp flexibility and aluminum handpiece.

This sums it up very nicely.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1156 on: November 10, 2019, 11:07:15 pm »
Keep in mind, the ADS200 heats up in half the time of the FX-951. I imagine it also recovers from thermal loads better.

While SMT has placed new demands of soldering stations to do precision work without damaging components and PCBs, I'm not expecting a product that will weld a trailer hitch at 400F with 20 watts of power.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1157 on: November 12, 2019, 12:31:25 pm »
Announcement from PACE:

We are in the process of reverting the new paceworldwide.com website back to the old version of the site because of major issues with the ordering and search functions. This may take a few days to revert back to the original site, so you may still see the new site for a while, depending on your location. The site will re-launch in the near future.

If you have ordered anything from the new version of the PACE website, all orders have been entered and are in-process, but they may not show up in your account. Please feel free to contact me directly at acaplan@paceworldwide.com if you have any concerns or questions.

Thanks for your patience in this matter.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1158 on: November 14, 2019, 06:26:53 am »
I purchased an ADS200, MBT350, and various hand pieces.

I'm curious of the technical differences for MBT350 firmware versions 2.6 and lower vs 2.7 and higher? Wish there was a change log available publicly for firmware revisions for all base stations.

P.S. Glad the old site is back - the new site was severely limiting, I couldn't find anything on it.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1159 on: November 14, 2019, 09:08:16 am »
I purchased an ADS200, MBT350, and various hand pieces.

Congrats, what ended up happening to the MBT301?
Soldering/Rework: Pace ADS200, Pace MBT350
Multimeters: Fluke 87V, 117, 27/FM     >>> Fluke 51/52 Thermometer Parts Required <<<
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1160 on: November 14, 2019, 12:07:18 pm »
I purchased an ADS200, MBT350, and various hand pieces.

Congrats, what ended up happening to the MBT301?

Found a great deal on a MBT350 I couldn't avoid. The MBT301 found a loving new home with a friend.
Thanks again for the help you provided earlier
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1161 on: November 14, 2019, 12:17:04 pm »

I'm curious of the technical differences for MBT350 firmware versions 2.6 and lower vs 2.7 and higher? Wish there was a change log available publicly for firmware revisions for all base stations.

P.S. Glad the old site is back - the new site was severely limiting, I couldn't find anything on it.

Hi Neo,

We have both versions 2.6 & and 2.7 set-up in our classroom which features 12 MBT 350s. I'll have to confirm this with Engineering, but I believe the main difference in the firmware is that Rev 2.7 allows you to set the individual temperature range limits on each channel. On Rev 2.6, you can only set a general temperature range for all 3 channels. Thus in Rev 2.7, you might set Channel 1 for a range of 500°-900°F (to accommodate the TJ-70 ThermoJet Hot Air Handpiece, which requires 900°F to work properly); Channel 2 for 500°-750°F (for the TD-100 Soldering Iron, to ensure you don't overheat components or damage sensitive substrates); and set Channel 3 to 500°-800° (for use with the SX-100 Sodr-X-Tractor Desoldering Iron). In Rev 2.6, you can only set the overall temperatures for all 3 channels. Thus if you set a temperature range from 600°-800°F, all 3 channels will have this temperature range.

It's probably been 9 years since this last MBT 350 firmware change occurred. It is unusual for us to issue firmware revisions unless customers come to PACE with software glitches, which often occur at the very beginning of the products life-cycle -- witness the rapid succession of firmware revisions on the ADS200. When first launched, the ADS200 required a host of little improvements, many suggested by members of EEVBlog. When customers come to us with comments and suggestions that improve a feature or make the unit easier to use, that may spur a revision. But once the firmware is tweaked and perfected, you get to point where firmware changes stop occurring.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1162 on: November 14, 2019, 01:28:03 pm »
Yes looking at the two different manuals, the later firmware has channel selectable low/high limits. The other thing added to the newer manual looks like an option to config block the user changing offsets.

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Soldering/Rework: Pace ADS200, Pace MBT350
Multimeters: Fluke 87V, 117, 27/FM     >>> Fluke 51/52 Thermometer Parts Required <<<
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1163 on: November 15, 2019, 05:46:49 am »
Thanks for the answers Shock and PACE-Worldwide. Unfortunately my MBT350 is on firmware 2.4 without the added bells and whistles.

My order for a new style SX stand and tip holder came in today from tequipment, luckily I got the last in stock. But, I am disappointed by the QC. Not sure if this is worth the hassles of exchanging, especially when there is no current stock available. The SX/TJ stands come new disassembled in box, by the location of paint chip damage and how this heavy stand is packaged it's evident the disassembled pieces were striking each other in transit, especially with very minimal internal shipping padding present to preventing this inside the product box itself (not tequipment shipping box, they used generous padding). If I'm not mistaken, this looks like high temperature paint. I would suggest this an ideal use case for a a powder coating paint process, a superbly durable finish.





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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1164 on: November 15, 2019, 08:35:45 am »
Those two firmware features are more for use in a production environment where people soldering way under temp or over temp is a problem, I never use them.

The stand will eventually get wear anyway so it's not so much a big deal, could always touch it up with some paint if you have some handy. Both spots will be obscured from vision most of the time. The stands have a kind of a futuristic utilitarian vibe anyway, a bit of wear doesn't look out of place.
Soldering/Rework: Pace ADS200, Pace MBT350
Multimeters: Fluke 87V, 117, 27/FM     >>> Fluke 51/52 Thermometer Parts Required <<<
Oscilloscopes: Rigol DS1054Z, Phillips PM3065
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1165 on: November 15, 2019, 09:57:44 am »
I know what you mean, but on the other hand opening a brand new box of $75 stand with missing paint doesn't necessarily make me think it's "a bit of wear that won't look out of place"
I tend to take care of my tools, call me pedantic but this is the type of stuff that remains in the back of head even if it's not facing me.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1166 on: November 15, 2019, 12:02:16 pm »
I know what you mean, but on the other hand opening a brand new box of $75 stand with missing paint doesn't necessarily make me think it's "a bit of wear that won't look out of place"
I tend to take care of my tools, call me pedantic but this is the type of stuff that remains in the back of head even if it's not facing me.

Hi Neo,

Send me your mailing address by EEVBlog message (or you can contact me directly at acaplan [AT] paceworldwide [DOT] com) and I'll have a new one shipped to you. It's very unusual for those chips in the Tool Stand to occur, since we use a powder coating process, so this will be reported to our QA personnel.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1167 on: November 15, 2019, 11:30:18 pm »
Thanks for that, I genuinely appreciate it.

With a replacement arriving shortly, I'd like to keep the positivity flowing. First EEVBLOG member that wants this Pace SX/TJ stand, send me a photo of your Pace equipment and I'll mail it out to you, USA only please.
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1168 on: November 21, 2019, 10:24:32 pm »
The replacement arrived successfully the other day, and I sincerely wanted to thank Aaron @ Pace-Worldwide for going above the expected service he provides.
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1169 on: November 23, 2019, 03:29:02 am »
Just got my new ADS200 station and completed doing a set-up on it. All seems to work good. I've had Wellers at home for years, and have used JBC's at work for years. With only a couple of solder joints made so far, it looks like this new iron is closer to the JBC than it is to the Weller in performance, and closer to the Weller than the JBC in price. Well done PACE!
One thing that is not in the manual is that the power supply start up temp is the same as it was at last power down.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1170 on: November 23, 2019, 04:54:54 am »
I have a couple observations to share:

1. Occasionally on power on the station goes into the Setup  mode. Perhaps  turning the power on may produce glitches on the power bus that kick the micro into the Setup mode. Would be good if Pace looked into it.

2. The iron goes to standby on me while i am actively soldering. Seems the configured standby timeout activates regardless of if the iron is in the caddy inactive or is being used. That is annoying. I'd think detection of variations in the tip temperature could be used to sense activity and reset the timeout.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1171 on: November 23, 2019, 07:29:28 am »
Well been interested in this soldering station. I like the extruded aluminium ridges on top and bottom that look like you can make a plastic insert that you can slot, locking stacked items in place against movement. The design is simple yet functional, although the blue faceplate is a little tacky, I would prefer a neutral black or grey like the other models on the website. But it's true that makes the product be noticed between all the others that you can have on a table.

My simple question (sorry if someone already asked) is that in Hong Kong or China what is the authorized reseller for your products? Not that I have any problem buying from any company who can send to HK (no customs added) but I would like to prevent the case of being lost in transit. Plus in Europe and other sites were I looked the price is way more than the US$200.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1172 on: November 23, 2019, 09:40:50 am »
Well been interested in this soldering station. I like the extruded aluminium ridges on top and bottom that look like you can make a plastic insert that you can slot, locking stacked items in place against movement

I still think they should come standard with some T beam angle brackets for under bench mounting.
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1173 on: November 23, 2019, 03:05:15 pm »
My simple question (sorry if someone already asked) is that in Hong Kong or China what is the authorized reseller for your products?

https://www.paceworldwide.com/where-to-buy/reps-and-distributors/asia#CHINA

I like the extruded aluminum ridges on top and bottom that look like you can make a plastic insert that you can slot, locking stacked items in place against movement.

There is a mounting bracket option 1321-0609-P1. The handpiece stands come with a couple of hex bolts that can be used as mounting hardware, or you can also use them to bolt two stands together.



Soldering/Rework: Pace ADS200, Pace MBT350
Multimeters: Fluke 87V, 117, 27/FM     >>> Fluke 51/52 Thermometer Parts Required <<<
Oscilloscopes: Rigol DS1054Z, Phillips PM3065
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 soldering station. Production-grade quality for about $200
« Reply #1174 on: November 23, 2019, 03:19:52 pm »
With only a couple of solder joints made so far, it looks like this new iron is closer to the JBC than it is to the Weller in performance, and closer to the Weller than the JBC in price. Well done PACE! One thing that is not in the manual is that the power supply start up temp is the same as it was at last power down.

Congrats, and yes... remembers the temperature it does.

Soldering/Rework: Pace ADS200, Pace MBT350
Multimeters: Fluke 87V, 117, 27/FM     >>> Fluke 51/52 Thermometer Parts Required <<<
Oscilloscopes: Rigol DS1054Z, Phillips PM3065
 
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