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Offline Elasia

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #325 on: April 17, 2018, 04:51:46 pm »
Internet forums tend to be that way. People mostly report great experiences or they slam you with bad ones. Not much in between. Some will criticize a low cost product that happens to be a good value because it doesn't perform exactly like the super expensive model they're used to. And they're probably less likely to forgive a bad experience with expensive products.

I receive emails for service work that I do. I find that some people are much more demanding now than they were thirty years ago. They expect the best service, instantly, for the lowest cost. Sometimes when you help them, you don't even get the courtesy of a reply.

I've noticed that in general as well... just a flat out lack of manners

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #326 on: April 18, 2018, 07:43:33 am »
From people owning a Hakko 951 at US prices... I have a chance to buy a real, non fake, discounted kit with extra handles and other goodies... At 300 with four extra tips, tip holder, and extra hand piece.

Would it make sense to lose the chance to bring it with me to Europe and wait for the ADS200? Are prices and release dates even confirmed? I won't have the chance to be stateside for a while due to personal reasons.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #327 on: April 18, 2018, 08:36:52 am »
ironcurtain,

I'm in your boat, as I want to replace my Edsyn 971. I would get the sweet deal on the Hakko right now. If you find that you really need the extra power of the ADS200 (40 more watts?) plus the instant set-back feature, etc--buy it later. I don't believe that there is something you won't be able to do w/the 951, and it kinda seems like it's early days for the ADS200--with some exciting things coming down the road (ISB/Tweezer/etc)...a bird in the hand...as they say.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #328 on: April 18, 2018, 09:01:54 am »
Agreed, I think the 951 with a properly sized transformer will be perfect for my needs, and altogether come at a much better price. I will report on how this goes... EU prices just SUCK.
I will check if the whole thing fits a box I can either take with me or send through USPS...
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #329 on: April 18, 2018, 12:58:58 pm »
From people owning a Hakko 951 at US prices... I have a chance to buy a real, non fake, discounted kit with extra handles and other goodies... At 300 with four extra tips, tip holder, and extra hand piece.

Would it make sense to lose the chance to bring it with me to Europe and wait for the ADS200? Are prices and release dates even confirmed? I won't have the chance to be stateside for a while due to personal reasons.

One site has the ADS200 listed at the same price for either 120v or 220v models.  I guess you have to decide if you can wait or not.

Even here, Hakko charges extra for their 220v model. And you can't change the voltage on the 120V model. 

I'm assuming the line voltage for the Pace is not switchable internally?
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #330 on: April 18, 2018, 03:15:01 pm »
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Even here, Hakko charges extra for their 220v model. And you can't change the voltage on the 120V model.

Looks like the Pace ADS200 with instant setback stand at list price may come in cheaper than the closest competition (at even their on special price).

But it's really an easy decision, Pace makes production level gear and you can tell they have gone to work on the handle to get things just right. I think the interface, enclosure and stand has stood the test of time.

It looks on the surface to consolidate several Pace products, if this will be a successor to the Pace Intelliheat TD-100 alone there is roughly 140 something different tips available, including a pile of specialty removal and blade tips which come in handy for BGA and rework. Will be interesting to see where this Accudrive line heads.

One site has the ADS200 listed at the same price for either 120v or 220v models.  I guess you have to decide if you can wait or not.

That is about about $30 less than the European list price (in US dollars) and if you can dodge the tax that is super cheap.

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I'm assuming the line voltage for the Pace is not switchable internally?

Pretty sure they aren't otherwise it would say, but they are 50/60Hz compatible and from the image that GreyWoolfie posted a while back the FX-951 is not both 50/60Hz.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #331 on: April 18, 2018, 04:21:17 pm »

Pretty sure they aren't otherwise it would say, but they are 50/60Hz compatible and from the image that GreyWoolfie posted a while back the FX-951 is not both 50/60Hz.

I don't think the line frequency is critical in this case. Dual voltage transformers usually have two primary windings which are wired in series or parallel for 220v or 120v respectively. I guess it saves cost to use a single winding. Hakko apparently does it so they can have different pricing in various markets.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #332 on: April 18, 2018, 06:49:45 pm »
I don't think the line frequency is critical in this case.

For the USA as the situation is reversed, it makes very little difference. For other countries running especially cheap or poorly spec'd 110/120V 60Hz transformers from places such as China on 50Hz, it's not the best idea.

US made 60Hz transformers (historically) are a different story, they normally have some degree of headroom (possibly due to materials, quality and rated tolerance) which may offset the ~20% loss when running at 50Hz. US made transformers rated for both 50/60Hz though are the best way to go to avoid issues.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #333 on: April 18, 2018, 07:09:39 pm »
I don't think the line frequency is critical in this case.

For the USA as the situation is reversed, it makes very little difference. For other countries running especially cheap or poorly spec'd 110/120V 60Hz transformers from places such as China on 50Hz, it's not the best idea.

US made 60Hz transformers (historically) are a different story, they normally have some degree of headroom (possibly due to materials, quality and rated tolerance) which may offset the ~20% loss when running at 50Hz. US made transformers rated for both 50/60Hz though are the best way to go to avoid issues.

That makes a good case to stay away from knock-offs. The Chinese seem to be unable to make anything of value without supervision. 
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #334 on: April 18, 2018, 08:28:24 pm »
That makes a good case to stay away from knock-offs. The Chinese seem to be unable to make anything of value without supervision.

Not so much that but is more a function of the production triangle: good, fast, cheap.. pick two

China is fast and cheap so there is your answer.. its a good rule of thumb no matter where you go
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #335 on: April 18, 2018, 08:31:15 pm »

It looks on the surface to consolidate several Pace products, if this will be a successor to the Pace Intelliheat TD-100 alone there is roughly 140 something different tips available, including a pile of specialty removal and blade tips which come in handy for BGA and rework. Will be interesting to see where this Accudrive line heads.


This has been my thinking as well, they can consolidate production lines, boost specific part volume, and drive out cost that way and is their real money maker out of this
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #336 on: April 19, 2018, 04:34:38 am »
What site is listing the 230v model at the same price? (pm maybe)
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #337 on: April 19, 2018, 04:51:56 am »
What site is listing the 230v model at the same price? (pm maybe)

Says "Special Order". So probably not in stock. I imagine TEquipment will also carry it, when it becomes available.

https://www.jensentools.com/pace-8007-0580-ads200-accudrive-soldering-station-220v/p/489-217

https://www.jensentools.com/search?q=ads200
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #338 on: April 19, 2018, 10:17:11 am »
Europe isnt due to go to production till mid May or so, id expect to see listings show up in the next week or two
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #339 on: April 19, 2018, 01:17:45 pm »
Europe isn't due to go to production till mid May or so, id expect to see listings show up in the next week or two

Here is what Aaron said earlier. Not that international shipping and customs is an exact science :)

The standard ADS unit will be available by the end of April, but I doubt the ADS200 with SetBack Tool Stand will be available until mid-May. Mainly because the parts for the Tool Stand all arrive during the 3rd week of April, meaning it will take time to assemble, then it takes 3 weeks to ship to UK (we ship all stock to PACE Europe via slow boat to China ...).
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #340 on: April 19, 2018, 01:34:11 pm »
I was thinking he was here in the US and would take it back with him. If you aren't here it's probably easier to wait and see what the price will be from a European distributor.
 

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Newest Pace ADS200 production station
« Reply #341 on: April 24, 2018, 07:52:20 pm »
Aaron,

Feel free to update us when the 230V model and ISB stands are out for distribution in the UK and USA. There are a few people waiting in a holding pattern to get their hands on one.

Am keen to know also when the firmware's sorted, I myself don't have a problem with a firmware upgrade as I know the PCB, but it would to be good to know when it's cleared so we can unequivocally tell people they can pull the trigger.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #342 on: April 24, 2018, 09:33:28 pm »
+1 on the stable firmware.   Also when do you expect the backordered tips to start showing up.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #343 on: April 26, 2018, 12:34:56 pm »
Distributors in Australia have been waiting on Pace to provide pricing information... which was supposed to happen two weeks ago!

There must be supply and  manufacturing issues still going on behind the scenes?

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #344 on: April 26, 2018, 01:18:57 pm »
or.. AU distributors maybe not that excited about downward price adjustments on existing competitive stock?
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #345 on: April 26, 2018, 09:41:21 pm »
Pace only did a limited production run on the first outing. Looks like they are going to be busy at the "dwarven forge" for quite some time.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #346 on: April 28, 2018, 12:34:16 am »
Pace only did a limited production run on the first outing. Looks like they are going to be busy at the "dwarven forge" for quite some time.

Mine finally came in a couple days ago, works like a champ.. too bad only one of my tips was with it lol

 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #347 on: April 28, 2018, 02:36:55 am »
I think a little patience is in order. I'd rather wait a bit longer than have to deal with a problem. And I'm in the USA.

TEquipment has three left in stock. Eight were sold this week. Thus, they probably won't ship new stock until they get the bugs worked out and solve any QC issues with the tips. 
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #348 on: May 07, 2018, 12:44:25 pm »
Hello just checking in on the setback stand and firmware update?  are these available now?
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #349 on: May 07, 2018, 01:04:08 pm »
Hello just checking in on the setback stand and firmware update?  are these available now?

Far as I can tell, we're still waiting. TEquipment is completely of stock and I've seen no new announcements anywhere. I'm thinking they're being a little more thorough this time with testing and QC before "going gold".
 


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