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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #425 on: June 21, 2018, 04:51:34 pm »
Great to hear everything is resolved! I'm excited to get a new station.  :)

BTW that fiber tool reminds me of a chalk holder the teacher used at school. I wonder if that was the inspiration for the idea? I'd never seen one until someone posted it here. Is that to clean the iron or the PCB?

 

It IS a chalk holder (and an expensive one at that)! It's definitely designed to clean large surface mount tips, but you can use it on any tip. Sometimes if you are using a thermal tweezer with large square or bladed tips (to remove SOICs, PLCCs or large QFPs), the shaped tips have to be cleaned and then retinned with fresh solder. These tips are so large (over 1x1" each) that the normal brass wool or sponge won't effectively reach the inner working surfaces of the tip. So you used the Fiber Brush to wipe the excess solder off the inside of the tip. 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #426 on: June 22, 2018, 06:36:37 pm »
Great to hear everything is resolved! I'm excited to get a new station.  :)

BTW that fiber tool reminds me of a chalk holder the teacher used at school. I wonder if that was the inspiration for the idea? I'd never seen one until someone posted it here. Is that to clean the iron or the PCB?

 

It IS a chalk holder (and an expensive one at that)! It's definitely designed to clean large surface mount tips, but you can use it on any tip. Sometimes if you are using a thermal tweezer with large square or bladed tips (to remove SOICs, PLCCs or large QFPs), the shaped tips have to be cleaned and then retinned with fresh solder. These tips are so large (over 1x1" each) that the normal brass wool or sponge won't effectively reach the inner working surfaces of the tip. So you used the Fiber Brush to wipe the excess solder off the inside of the tip. 

Aaron

The price at $19 US, was not too bad the extra $8 shipping at TEquipment, a bit much. But I just got an update email from them, won’t ship for a MONTH! The product link does not show “out of stock”, I assume this is not their normal business shipping policy.

https://www.tequipment.net/Pace/1100-0232-p1/Soldering-Accessories/
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #427 on: June 22, 2018, 06:48:11 pm »

The price at $19 US, was not too bad the extra $8 shipping at TEquipment, a bit much. But I just got an update email from them, won’t ship for a MONTH! The product link does not show “out of stock”, I assume this is not their normal business shipping policy.

https://www.tequipment.net/Pace/1100-0232-p1/Soldering-Accessories/

The default for Tequipment is out of stock. If it's in stock, then it will show how many.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #428 on: June 22, 2018, 06:51:47 pm »

The price at $19 US, was not too bad the extra $8 shipping at TEquipment, a bit much. But I just got an update email from them, won’t ship for a MONTH! The product link does not show “out of stock”, I assume this is not their normal business shipping policy.

https://www.tequipment.net/Pace/1100-0232-p1/Soldering-Accessories/

The default for Tequipment is out of stock. If it's in stock, then it will show how many.

Thanks, I guess I could have ordered it directly from China myself and saved $$$. Oh well....
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #429 on: June 23, 2018, 07:10:29 am »
Hi

I managed to get my paws on a ADS200 with the auto sleep stand and I'm thinking about making a little video review.

If anyone has any specific questions or things you want tested, I'll see if I can do them in a video.

 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #430 on: June 23, 2018, 11:11:51 am »
If anyone has any specific questions or things you want tested, I'll see if I can do them in a video.
Inside pics please..  :-+
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #431 on: June 23, 2018, 03:21:31 pm »
Hi

I managed to get my paws on a ADS200 with the auto sleep stand and I'm thinking about making a little video review.

If anyoneme has any specific questions or things you want tested, I'll see if I can do them in a video.

I'm wondering which firmware your station has?

Doesn't need to be in the video, but I'd like to know if the tip of the iron is at the same ground potential as the GND pin of the setback switch mini din connector. Thus confirming my theory that Setback can be activated by merely touching the tip of the iron to a single conductor wire connected to the SWITCH input pin of the mini din connector.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #432 on: June 23, 2018, 07:08:12 pm »
I hope that no one minds this post as this thread seems to have the attention of most Pace heads...

I first got into Pace when, through a trade, I got a lifetime supply of SensaTemp handpieces and tips (first pic).  So, as good deals came up or budget allowed I have acquired other stations and handpieces.  My lab has been exclusively Pace for a number of years.  Anyway, I have recently come to the conclusion that I have much more than a lifetime supply of these Sodr-Pens.  I still have 17 unused and none of the four I use regularly show any signs of failing.  Among the few SensaTemp items I have never managed to pick up, I'd like to get a ThermoJet and a couple of nozzles and maybe a foot pedal.  I've never used either but would like to give them a try.  If someone would like to trade either of those (in good shape) for three or four brand new Sodr-Pens, please let me know.
 

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« Reply #433 on: June 23, 2018, 08:13:06 pm »
I hope that no one minds this post as this thread seems to have the attention of most Pace heads...

I first got into Pace when, through a trade, I got a lifetime supply of SensaTemp handpieces and tips (first pic).  So, as good deals came up or budget allowed I have acquired other stations and handpieces.  My lab has been exclusively Pace for a number of years.  Anyway, I have recently come to the conclusion that I have much more than a lifetime supply of these Sodr-Pens.  I still have 17 unused and none of the four I use regularly show any signs of failing.  Among the few SensaTemp items I have never managed to pick up, I'd like to get a ThermoJet and a couple of nozzles and maybe a foot pedal.  I've never used either but would like to give them a try.  If someone would like to trade either of those (in good shape) for three or four brand new Sodr-Pens, please let me know.
No prob, and nice stash.. Maybe get additional traction by posting in the buy/sell/wanted area too  :-//
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #434 on: June 26, 2018, 12:02:37 am »
To All EEVBloggers:

From: Aaron Caplan, PACE Worldwide

Finally, an update from PACE on the status of the ADS200 & Tips!

First of all, I’d like to thank you all for you for your patience and support, as we certainly were premature in our production predictions. I am so sorry for the delay and lack of update information, but it looks like we’re finally ready to reggae!

PACE Worldwide is happy to report that we are back in production on the ADS200 Soldering Systems and AccuDrive Tip-Heater Cartridges! As many of you already know, out of an abundance of caution, we had suspended production 2 months ago as a small percentage of our AccuDrive Tip-Heater Cartridges did not meet our exacting standards for quality. This issue has now been resolved and does not affect any current ADS200 Systems already in the field.

Please see the attached pdf Memo, which explains every thing you need to know about the ADS200. I have also attached current price lists in 3 different currencies.

Again, I thank you for your patience. Feel free to contact me directly at acaplan [AT] paceworldwide [DOT] com if you have questions or need additional information.

Best,

Aaron


Woohoo this is fantastic news.. i got a 1-0 humming right along with one tip.. at least it was a multi purpose useful tip lol

ill have to msg for a new chip when i get a chance.. ill also have to try out my hand piece once my full assortment of tips get here.. i havent had reason to pull and insert with only the one tip :p
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #435 on: June 30, 2018, 05:21:59 am »
Australians - Mektronics now have the ADS200 (with instant setback stand) listed here: https://www.mektronics.com.au/soldering-rework/pace-stations/pace-ads200-station-230-vac-with-instant-setback-tool-stand-8007-0581.html

"Availability: 1-2 weeks delivery", $596 AUD (their site lists $542 excluding GST).

EDIT: I think Mektronics is more expensive than other places, we'll see how the prices go. But if you were desperate to buy one right now, you could.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2018, 01:43:43 pm by drojf »
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #436 on: June 30, 2018, 09:39:45 am »
Australians - Mektronics now have the ADS200 (with instant setback stand) listed here: https://www.mektronics.com.au/soldering-rework/pace-stations/pace-ads200-station-230-vac-with-instant-setback-tool-stand-8007-0581.html

"Availability: 1-2 weeks delivery", $596 AUD (their site lists $542 excluding GST).

Ouch.... I was hoping that it would be in line with the Tequipment price at ~400 Aussie, but I certainly can't justify $600. Sounds like I might have to wait until it goes on sale one day then.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #437 on: June 30, 2018, 11:45:46 am »
Australians - Mektronics now have the ADS200 (with instant setback stand) listed here: https://www.mektronics.com.au/soldering-rework/pace-stations/pace-ads200-station-230-vac-with-instant-setback-tool-stand-8007-0581.html

"Availability: 1-2 weeks delivery", $596 AUD (their site lists $542 excluding GST).
Yes, I noticed that a few days ago.
AUD$597.15 (inc GST) ~ USD$442.

That's the "Australia Tax" at work.

I'm waiting for Oritech and Upton to list it, to see what they will be asking for it.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2018, 11:47:41 am by VK4GHZ »
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #438 on: June 30, 2018, 06:13:52 pm »
Australians - Mektronics now have the ADS200 (with instant setback stand) listed here: https://www.mektronics.com.au/soldering-rework/pace-stations/pace-ads200-station-230-vac-with-instant-setback-tool-stand-8007-0581.html

"Availability: 1-2 weeks delivery", $596 AUD (their site lists $542 excluding GST).

EDIT: I think Mektronics is more expensive than other places, we'll see how the prices go. But if you were desperate to buy one right now, you could.
IMHO, the new models price drop would make some distributors nervous about pricing a new 120w station under their current inventory (eg: Mektronics has the 90watt ST-50 selling for slightly less). One would hope when AU vendors reduce inventory investments on the older ST series, they'd be comfortable enough to drop the ADS200 down closer to MSRP.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #439 on: July 01, 2018, 12:41:53 am »
"Availability: 1-2 weeks delivery", $596 AUD (their site lists $542 excluding GST).

Yes, I noticed that a few days ago.
AUD$597.15 (inc GST) ~ USD$442.

That's the "Australia Tax" at work.

Ouch, I thought Quebec was bad!
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #440 on: July 01, 2018, 01:05:59 am »
Ouch, I thought Quebec was bad!
Yes, and don't forget, the Aussie dollar is close to parity with the Canadian dollar.
So AUD$597 = CAD$581
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #441 on: July 01, 2018, 11:30:46 am »
Baltersice reviewed the new Pace in the second half of his latest video (starts ~4:30) with some serious 01005 soldering..
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #442 on: July 01, 2018, 01:46:50 pm »
 :-DD  As a side benefit: Pace prevents a lot of unnecessary suffering in the stock photography business..
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #443 on: July 01, 2018, 05:28:41 pm »
Well, here in Europe the only place selling it have it at 355€, while the JBC BT2BWA is 289€.
https://www.welectron.com/Soldering-Stations
So the JBC:
-Is 65€ Cheaper
-Has a rotary encoder for the temp (I like my knobs)
-The iron going to sleep when in the holder is not an optional Extra.

I fail to see how is this a "JBC killer", apart from the JBC tips being more expensive (25€ vs 15€).





 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #444 on: July 01, 2018, 06:20:25 pm »
Well, here in Europe the only place selling it have it at 355€, while the JBC BT2BWA is 289€.
https://www.welectron.com/Soldering-Stations
So the JBC:
-Is 65€ Cheaper
-Has a rotary encoder for the temp (I like my knobs)
-The iron going to sleep when in the holder is not an optional Extra.

I fail to see how is this a "JBC killer", apart from the JBC tips being more expensive (25€ vs 15€).

The Pace ADS200 list price is 225€ with standard stand and 250€ with instant setback stand, so not sure on their prices but as mentioned a few posts back they might be clearing stock. Even without a setback stand the iron can still go to sleep in the standard stand.

The JBC you're comparing is an analog station, if you think it's better value and love the dial etc go for it. Here is the thread on the JBC BT2BWA.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #445 on: July 01, 2018, 06:22:42 pm »
:-DD  As a side benefit: Pace prevents a lot of unnecessary suffering in the stock photography business..

I watched Marco/Baltersices previous video a day ago and wondered if he was doing a Pace ADS200 review. He said something about keeping "Pace" with all the progress in the industry :).

I think him making a station is a waste of time now. The effort it would take to make a decent chassis was enough to put me off. As I see it the Unisolders purpose (a low cost way to run a high end iron) was really a hole filled by the ADS200.

I've got a feeling he sold the Weller to offset the cost of buying an ADS200 as well, I mean you don't sell your workhorse without backup. He should dump the Chinese one as well, it looks more ridiculous every time I compare the two.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #446 on: July 01, 2018, 06:50:10 pm »
The Pace should become popular because of the low cost of ownership and consumables. Although there may be a market for a 3rd party front panel/control PCB with a fancier UI.

Unisolder must be too difficult for a newbie to build if experienced engineers say it's not easy. Most who want to build them probably don't yet have the skills or equipment to build them. That's why they're looking to build something cheap. Would be far more popular if preassembled PCBs were available.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #447 on: July 02, 2018, 03:02:29 am »
Marco's size comparison's better than my edited pic.. Pace almost never has strain relief issues, maybe JBC can learn a little.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #448 on: July 02, 2018, 11:39:26 pm »
Just got my replacement rom chip $$ thanks pace!

That was a nice video by Marco.. i got that same andostar, wonder what that uv optic he bought for it was
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #449 on: July 03, 2018, 05:12:42 am »
:-DD  As a side benefit: Pace prevents a lot of unnecessary suffering in the stock photography business..
Best line in the whole episode. :)
 
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