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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1225 on: February 13, 2020, 03:15:37 am »
Pace may announce it at the IPC APEX EXPO in San Diego this week. I've not seen the new stations sold separately yet, but it's been done in the past.

It would be crazy to sell the tweezers separately and not the station. Very common to have a dedicated tweezer station and iron, you don't want to be swapping them.
 
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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1226 on: February 13, 2020, 09:01:40 am »
Forgive me for showing up in the thread not knowing anything about this iron.

I typically am doing lots of very fine work so i prefer to use the finest tip possible  when i'm not doing stuff like banging out a bunch of thru hole.

Two quick questions.

  • 1/128" Conical (0.20mm) or 1/128" Conical Special (0.20mm), I can't tell what's different on these two?
  • From what I can tell, the Miniwave is a great tip for SMT work, but is it worth using for general thru hole / repair work too?
 

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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1227 on: February 13, 2020, 09:05:42 am »
  • 1/128" Conical (0.20mm) or 1/128" Conical Special (0.20mm), I can't tell what's different on these two?

Likely just more thermal capacity.
 
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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1228 on: February 13, 2020, 09:22:13 am »
  • From what I can tell, the Miniwave is a great tip for SMT work, but is it worth using for general thru hole / repair work too?

Not really. Little concave reservoir in the tip is not deep enough for a TH wire to go into.
Also, how useful Miniwave is to you, depends on person and technique. I love it, my son doesn't. He prefers normal mid size tip. Does equally good job with it too...

Good thing about ADS200 is that tips are very affordable and very easy to change. So even if you don't use tip all the time, you can afford to get specialist tip, for those odd jobs when you need it..
 

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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1229 on: February 13, 2020, 04:40:39 pm »
The Miniwave is more for drag soldering or reworking rows of legs on SMD packages like QFP. It gives a controlled release of solder due to the surface tension being concentrated in one spot. To drag solder larger legs and rows of though hole use the knife blade instead. The knife is the most versatile but if it's not going to break the bank I'd be getting both of these.



Soldering/Rework: Pace ADS200, Pace MBT350
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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1230 on: February 13, 2020, 06:43:03 pm »
Forgive me for showing up in the thread not knowing anything about this iron.

I typically am doing lots of very fine work so i prefer to use the finest tip possible  when i'm not doing stuff like banging out a bunch of thru hole.

Two quick questions.

  • 1/128" Conical (0.20mm) or 1/128" Conical Special (0.20mm), I can't tell what's different on these two?
  • From what I can tell, the Miniwave is a great tip for SMT work, but is it worth using for general thru hole / repair work too?
Knowing full well that it's not what they're intended for, I actually love that kind of tip for all sorts of non-SMD use, too. For example, they work great for tinning wires, as they hold onto the excess solder. Similarly, they work well for THT soldering, especially when the pads are on the small side, or when the hole is a bit too big, for the same reason. They don't need to envelop the entire joint, you come from the side as you would with a chisel tip.

Given how incredibly cheap Pace's Miniwave are compared to other companies (e.g. my Ersa, where a conical tip is about €10, but the "Miniwell" is €30), I'd suggest getting one. They're awesome for SMD work, but their versatility for other things make them a key member of my tip collection.

Caveat: I've never worked with a PLCC blade, so I can't compare how they behave for THT applications.
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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1231 on: February 13, 2020, 10:03:44 pm »
Thanks for the inputs, fellas.

Well, i did order a Miniwave and a chisel tip and two of the fine conical tips.

I saw those videos on the Miniwave, which makes them look awesome for bigger surface mount work, but i had a suspicion they'd be good for tinning and some thru hole situations as well.

Anyway, i'll give you all a break and wait for my shiny new Pace and make my way thru the earlier pages in the thread until it gets here.  :blah:
 

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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1232 on: February 14, 2020, 07:11:32 pm »
The comparable Hakko FX951 though is $419

The Hakko FX951 comes with two different stands, that one you mentioned is the cheaper version with no sleep function. It's also only 70W and doesn't take the performance tips like the Pace and JBC do. It's better than the knockoff you tested but essentially has the same quirks.

The Pace is more comparable in spec to the JBC but without overshooting ~20C or requiring calibration. On some JBC models the station knows perfectly well it's running over set temp, but their software hides displaying it.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2020, 08:31:31 pm by Shock »
Soldering/Rework: Pace ADS200, Pace MBT350
Multimeters: Fluke 87V, 117, 27/FM     >>> Fluke 51/52 Thermometer Parts Required <<<
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #1233 on: February 18, 2020, 08:46:52 pm »
I may get this if the reviews are good. I bought an FX-888D to replace my Weller but really wanted a better iron with even faster recovery and better thermal capacity. I wonder if it's programmable to go into sleep mode. Because I really don't think I need a $60 instant setback stand for electronic repair work.

Edit: Actually don't know what the model with the instant setback stand will sell for. I was looking at some wrong info.
You may want to read this before you order it with ISB https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/pace-set-back-controls/
One thing I hoped Dave would show (if he decided to let them ship one), is the possibility of easy DIY instant-set-back on the new model.
This is all the ST models require:

Great Product, just got mine.
After I saw this post, I thought I'll give it a lazy try.

Three JumperWires and a 50 cent "TCRT5000 Infrared Reflectance Sensor Obstacle Avoidance Module"
The Stand actually looks like it's designed for this part :-)



I choose the opposite side for wiring reasons and used HotGlue (reflowed with a HeatGun) to attach it.
... it instantly worked without any calibration or adjustment needed.
Now I'm all set up.

Best Regards
 
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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1234 on: February 18, 2020, 09:31:34 pm »
Welcome to the forums, nice first post and good idea. I wonder if there are any low power wireless relay solutions that could work as well. Since there is 5V present you could just plug in the receiver into the station like a dongle.
Soldering/Rework: Pace ADS200, Pace MBT350
Multimeters: Fluke 87V, 117, 27/FM     >>> Fluke 51/52 Thermometer Parts Required <<<
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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1235 on: February 18, 2020, 09:36:49 pm »
I thought about trying similar modules last year but never ordered one and spent the extra $ for the ISB stand.

There are different versions of that module. Some have an adjustment for sensitivity and some don't. Do you have a picture of the component side of the module?

I'm wondering how the reliability is? Does it always work properly? Thanks.
 

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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1236 on: February 19, 2020, 12:53:59 am »
There are different versions of that module. Some have an adjustment for sensitivity and some don't. Do you have a picture of the component side of the module?
I'm wondering how the reliability is? Does it always work properly? Thanks.

So far I tried 4 different Tips and all of them work very reliable (they are all "Ultra Performance" ones)
But I guess since the IR reflects from a round shiny surface, one of the rays will find it's target  :scared:

930858-0
((edit: you can actually see the green indicator light (detection) through the hole in the PCB, the "green" below the blue wire is from the (power-)status led))

Welcome to the forums, nice first post and good idea.
Thanks mate
I wonder if there are any low power wireless relay solutions that could work as well. Since there is 5V present you could just plug in the receiver into the station like a dongle.
you could use two esp8266-chips but you'll need another 3.3V to the holder to power the WiFi bridge
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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1237 on: February 19, 2020, 01:33:10 am »
you could use two esp8266- ;)chips but you'll need another 3.3V to the holder to power the WiFi bridge

Yes would have to be a low power battery type solution. Having power wires running to it defeats the purpose :)
« Last Edit: February 19, 2020, 01:37:23 am by Shock »
Soldering/Rework: Pace ADS200, Pace MBT350
Multimeters: Fluke 87V, 117, 27/FM     >>> Fluke 51/52 Thermometer Parts Required <<<
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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1238 on: February 19, 2020, 01:43:28 am »
Very nice! Thanks! All you need is a mini DIN cable.

I originally thought it may be possible for a simpler solution that would use the grounded tip and a contact to provide the low input with a single conductor. But the iron tip is not at the same potential as the GND at the ISB port.   
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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1239 on: February 19, 2020, 02:07:00 am »
Welcome to the forums, nice first post and good idea.

Yeah, great first post. Video worthy perhaps?
Is the ISB stand exactly the same as the non-ISB one except for the microswitch?
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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1240 on: February 19, 2020, 02:14:43 am »
Why can't this be done in firmware, like Weller does?
An idle station is detected by monitoring heat demand, which is steady and low when the iron is in the stand. Once you solder, heat demand increases and it resets the timer. It works good.
T12 clones use the shake-switch in the handle but I do like this optical sensor better.
 

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« Reply #1241 on: February 19, 2020, 02:55:15 am »
Yeah, great first post. Video worthy perhaps?
Is the ISB stand exactly the same as the non-ISB one except for the microswitch?
glad I could contribute something, thanks.
I guess so, It even has a metal plate fixed inside the gap where the switch would have been.
 

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« Reply #1242 on: February 19, 2020, 03:00:29 am »
I think ISB stand adds more of an assembly with a switch and small bracket etc than just a micro switch. But the stand is the same.

Cliff shared this a few pages back.

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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1243 on: February 19, 2020, 03:46:41 am »
Yeah, great first post. Video worthy perhaps?
Is the ISB stand exactly the same as the non-ISB one except for the microswitch?
glad I could contribute something, thanks.
I guess so, It even has a metal plate fixed inside the gap where the switch would have been.

Great pic, that really show it's the same stand. You could just install a lever micro switch too if you got the right one.
 
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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1244 on: February 19, 2020, 06:46:36 am »
The switch might be better on a wireless solution as it doesn't need to keep a sensor powered.

Why can't this be done in firmware, like Weller does?

There are 3 different modes you can use a combination of - automatic setback, auto off and instant setback. Every station has these in the firmware. Pace sells a instant setback stand which when connected up to the station triggers the instant setback option, or as discussed you can DIY your own if you like.
Soldering/Rework: Pace ADS200, Pace MBT350
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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1245 on: February 19, 2020, 07:15:57 pm »
Why can't this be done in firmware, like Weller does?
An idle station is detected by monitoring heat demand, which is steady and low when the iron is in the stand. Once you solder, heat demand increases and it resets the timer. It works good.

It works OK, but not great. My Ersa i-Con nano uses that approach, so I’m familiar with it. Two issues:
1. It doesn’t allow for really short setback timers (like 10 seconds) because it could go into setback while in your hand, e.g. while preparing a joint.

2. The bigger issue: Once the iron has gone down to the setback temperature, it relies on detecting a plunge in temperature (from wiping on the brass wool or sponge) to figure out that you want to solder again. So far so good. But where it gets problematic is when it’s just entered setback mode and the iron temperature is falling. If you grab the iron and wipe it on the brass wool to drop the temp, it doesn’t wake up, because it’s expecting the temperature to drop at that moment. So there’s a, say, 20-30 second window during which it won’t resume from setback automatically. And as it happens, it’s often right when you’ve finished inserting a bunch of components or dressing wires or whatever.

The “big” i-Con stations use an accelerometer in the handle to much more accurately detect activity.

IMHO, some kind of mechanical sensor, be it in the handle or in the stand, is the way to go.
 

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« Reply #1246 on: February 19, 2020, 11:27:48 pm »
IMHO, some kind of mechanical sensor, be it in the handle or in the stand, is the way to go.

I agree, that's the best bullet proof solution.
 
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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1247 on: February 19, 2020, 11:51:19 pm »
Sometimes you can over-engineer a simple task. Aaron from Pace commented that they originally used some kind of proximity sensor but it proved to be unreliable.
 

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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1248 on: February 20, 2020, 01:58:07 pm »
Sometimes you can over-engineer a simple task. Aaron from Pace commented that they originally used some kind of proximity sensor but it proved to be unreliable.
At least with an IR proximity sensor, I could see it getting fouled with flux residue and dust, or potentially get confused by the IR radiation from the tip itself. That and being potentially sensitive to tip geometry.
 

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Re: Pace ADS200 solder station. Production-grade quality at about $200
« Reply #1249 on: February 20, 2020, 03:20:35 pm »
At least with an IR proximity sensor, I could see it getting fouled with flux residue and dust, or potentially get confused by the IR radiation from the tip itself. That and being potentially sensitive to tip geometry.
The module is mounted on side so shouldn't see any residue falling on it.  And it has a sensitivity adjustment so maybe it can be move further from the tip. Good thing is it cost less than a dollar.
 


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