Author Topic: Open Placer A New Affordable PCB Assembly Machine (Read 55867 times)

Furkan · « **on:** March 06, 2018, 01:00:47 pm »

Dear all

We have finished our PCB pick and place machine: Open Placer

The device runs with an open source OpenPNP software.

It is very affordable and the open source is available at www.openplacer.com . We are improving it day by day.

We started an Indiegogo campaign and slowly announcing our device. We have received early feedbacks from visitors. Any helpful critics is appreciated.

For the moment we don't have CE certificate, but we are also working on it.

Regards
Furkan
Open Placer Team

IconicPCB · « **Reply #1 on:** March 06, 2018, 01:36:59 pm »

Love your cut tape feeders.

Would like to purchase them,
Please advise how to get them.

Furkan · « **Reply #2 on:** March 06, 2018, 05:18:54 pm »

We are only selling it through Indiegogo. We made a huge discount to introduce it.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/open-placer#/

After the campaign we will keep stock in Texas, US and Istanbul, TURKEY.

TIOUK · « **Reply #3 on:** March 06, 2018, 08:46:19 pm »

Would love too purchase, but I can't make a sucessful payment on the site. Too much guff behind the payments pages since my gamble on there.

IconicPCB · « **Reply #4 on:** March 06, 2018, 09:57:13 pm »

Furkan,

I was refering to the cut tape feeders.

What are the dimensions of the mini and standard feeder assemblies?

asmi · « **Reply #5 on:** March 06, 2018, 11:00:19 pm »

I couldn't find any information on min/max component size the machine can work with.

donotdespisethesnake · « **Reply #6 on:** March 07, 2018, 09:47:24 am »

Max board size of 100x200mm seems a bit small to me.

Selectech · « **Reply #7 on:** March 07, 2018, 05:56:57 pm »

Signed up for a standard machine. Just what I was looking for to augment my other placement facilities. Needed something flexible with vision for some small parts that I'll put in tray and short tapes. Fortunately, the std covers my usual board sizes.

Furkan · « **Reply #8 on:** March 07, 2018, 11:26:53 pm »

There are so many questions to answer

First of all there 2 types of feeders for the mini and standard versions of Open Placer. Main Feeder and Optional Feeder

For Open Placer Mini the length of both feeders is 18 cm. For Open Placer Standard the length is 23 cm.

For both devices the main feeder contains 10 lines of 8 mm strip, but as I mentioned above at different lengths.

The optional feeders can vary depending on your needs. We prepared 4 alternatives for each device
a. 2 x 12mm + 1 x 16mm + 4 x tray slot + 4 x loose part (For Mini Only)
a. 2 x 12mm + 1 x 16mm + 5 x tray slot + 6 x loose part (For Mini Only)
b. 2 x 12mm + 1 x 16mm + 1 x 24mm
c. 7 x 8mm
d. 2 x 8mm + 2 x 12mm + 1 x 16mm

For large components you can use the loose part compartment.

The smallest component that we have tried is 603. We haven't tried 402 or 201, but we plan to do it very soon.

I hope I could answer them all. Sorry for the late reply.

Furkan

asmi · « **Reply #9 on:** March 08, 2018, 12:11:37 am »

Quote from: Furkan on March 07, 2018, 11:26:53 pm

The smallest component that we have tried is 603. We haven't tried 402 or 201, but we plan to do it very soon.

Please do try it out and let us know. I'm using quite a bit of 0201 caps for BGA decoupling so for me that is a must. Thank you!

mikeselectricstuff · « **Reply #10 on:** March 08, 2018, 12:52:18 am »

0201 even on good commercial machines is nontrivial - the chances of a cheap machine like this being useful for them seem somewhat remote.
Once you get that small, picking and feeding are the biggest challenges.

Furkan · « **Reply #11 on:** March 08, 2018, 01:06:31 am »

I agree with you that 201 will be very challenging. We need to further modify our smallest nozzle. But this is not a device for people that requires 201 placement as a must.

Hope to give good news about our trials.

Regards
Furkan

noras · « **Reply #12 on:** March 08, 2018, 07:10:24 am »

When is it open to Asia?

Furkan · « **Reply #13 on:** March 08, 2018, 07:29:33 pm »

Hi Noras

What do you mean by available to Asia? The designs are open at www.openplacer.com for everybody and it is worldwide commercially available at our Indiegogo campaign with free worldwide shipping.

We know that the drawings are not quite organized by now, but it should be better soon. The Indiegogo campaign takes a lot of time.

Furkan

rx8pilot · « **Reply #14 on:** March 08, 2018, 07:53:13 pm »

OP -
Have you owned and operated a commercial P&P line before?

Furkan · « **Reply #15 on:** March 11, 2018, 09:38:36 pm »

Dear all

We have uploaded some new videos showing the accuracy of our nozzles

We made run-out measurements at two different positions.

Right next to the A-axis motor the run-out was measured as +- 0.01 mm
At the tip the run-out was measured as +- 0.03 mm

The videos are available at www.openplacer.com under workshop section.

http://www.openplacer.com/?page_id=66

We believe that our run-out accuracy is good enough for 402 components. We plan to post videos with successful 402 assembly very soon.

Furkan

l0wside · « **Reply #16 on:** March 12, 2018, 07:48:08 am »

Looks like an enhanced version of the Liteplacer. At the price point, it is of course hugely attractive. And I appreciate to see something new coming from somewhere else than the US, China, or Germany

After q quick perk, I could not find anything about SW. Do you intend to use OpenPNP, or roll your own?

Furkan · « **Reply #17 on:** March 12, 2018, 06:47:37 pm »

The Open Placer runs with the OpenPnp software. We didn’t develop our own software since OpenPnp covers all our needs.

Furkan

ar__systems · « **Reply #18 on:** March 13, 2018, 05:13:10 pm »

Quote from: Furkan on March 07, 2018, 11:26:53 pm

For both devices the main feeder contains 10 lines of 8 mm strip, but as I mentioned above at different lengths.

The optional feeders can vary depending on your needs. We prepared 4 alternatives for each device
a. 2 x 12mm + 1 x 16mm + 4 x tray slot + 4 x loose part (For Mini Only)
a. 2 x 12mm + 1 x 16mm + 5 x tray slot + 6 x loose part (For Mini Only)
b. 2 x 12mm + 1 x 16mm + 1 x 24mm
c. 7 x 8mm
d. 2 x 8mm + 2 x 12mm + 1 x 16mm

That's enough only for the tiny designs... only 17 of 8mm...

Also I,m wondering how your strip feeder handles plastic tapes, which are a bit thicker than paper.
Update. ok I see you have different slots for plastic and paper tapes... This is good but it limits flexibility even further...

ar__systems · « **Reply #19 on:** March 13, 2018, 05:56:37 pm »

From the pics I see a machined plastic, not 3d printed

loxodes · « **Reply #20 on:** March 14, 2018, 12:30:03 am »

There is more discussion of the Open Placer over on the OpenPNP forums: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/openpnp/RLLt606VSzs
On their forum there is a lot of bickering about EU CE rules, and it looks like they they are skeptical that the 0.6 mm nozzle could reliably pick 0402s.

I would be interested in the Open Placer if it could reliably place 0402s and .5 mm pitch DFN/QFNs.

asmi · « **Reply #21 on:** March 14, 2018, 10:26:56 pm »

Quote from: loxodes on March 14, 2018, 12:30:03 am

There is more discussion of the Open Placer over on the OpenPNP forums: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/openpnp/RLLt606VSzs
On their forum there is a lot of bickering about EU CE rules, and it looks like they they are skeptical that the 0.6 mm nozzle could reliably pick 0402s.

They are right to be skeptical. Nozzle diameter needs to be smaller than smallest linear dimension of a part being picked up, and 0402 is 1x0.5 mm.

ar__systems · « **Reply #22 on:** March 15, 2018, 01:25:24 pm »

I notice they are saying "open design, open hardware", but in the design files section there is only a couple of drawing of some non-essential plates or brackets. No BOM, no CAD files. There is practically nothing open there. That's ok by itself, just remove the claim of "open hardware".

svenskelektronik · « **Reply #23 on:** March 19, 2018, 11:23:55 am »

I think the first thing that people are dying for is a cheap PNP that implement OpenPNP. Open Hardware would do good but its not a deal killer.

nisma · « **Reply #24 on:** March 19, 2018, 03:23:43 pm »

But, it is slow, it is unknown what is the max lifting capacity mass for big components using the biggest nozzle with only 1mm inner diameter and the
From video, where no placement vision is used, the 800cph is without vision.
With uplooking vision is then below 500 cph and with additional downlooking vision is approx 400 cph.
Annother unclear point is 0402 and 0201 support. It is because hw problems or bad hw/sw integration ? maybe only because it need top and bottom vision
and that slow down to 450 cph and that could be problematic. Unfortunatly lightning is not ok for loose feeders, uplightning seems similar, unfortunatly that
is a ko criterium for better vision algorithm.

It would be helpful if there is a clear statement, what is the max bga package and the status to 0402/0201 .
On openPnP with direct driver C axis, FG 456 is the maximum placeable (1 mm pitch, 23x23mm). Higher pitch is not a problem.
The max placeable 0.4mm pitch is 44x44 (17,6x17,6mm) having 0.05mm x/y repeatibility (20 tooth pulley, direct drive).
Uplooking camera must be 25mm height field of view. This allow using only one HD camera
for 0201 imperial up to all placeable size. 0.3mm pitch (bga/wsa) is not placeable with 0.05mm x/y accuracy, 0.3mm pitch connectors are placeable.
This all with juki 508 nozzle, i have no idea how this works with the tiny inner diameter nozzles from openplacer.


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