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SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« on: May 11, 2016, 02:06:38 am »



I like to show some new working videos.
http://www.smallsmt.biz/home/videos/

Working video showing VP-2500D belt machine  building our head controller PCB
https://youtu.be/agjyWogQWTw

Working video showing VP-2500D placing a TQFP 208 fine pitch IC using a mechanical tool to adjust
https://youtu.be/Ip4dyV0exlM

Customer working video showing VP-2500HP spindle machine building a mixed components PCB
https://youtu.be/N19eu8SIImk
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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2016, 08:51:13 am »
Looking at the first video, I wonder if the machine or the paste printing makes the placement of the discretes as bad as it is. See attached images (stills at 1:00 and 3:08), the resistors and capacitors are partially shifted, aprtially rotated. Sure, the soldering process will compensate this, but it does not look overly convincing.
Your solution to place the huge (208 pins?) TQFP is neat, but essentially a hack. Would the HP variant be able to place it without extra tooling?

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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2016, 12:09:09 pm »
Max this job runs at high speed without alignment so you receive sometimes misplaced components. You have two options to improve lower speed or use vision alignment! But this light misplaced parts will align on reflow process.
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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2016, 12:13:40 pm »
We plan a camera upgrade to do 30x30mm parts in the near future.
 

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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2016, 12:58:41 pm »
OK, so you did the small parts w/o vision, sacrificing precision for speed. Understood.
And the large TQFP is (currently) simply too large for the camera. Also understood.

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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2016, 12:56:14 am »
Michael,

What is the current maximum size of the components that can be picked and position corrected with the current camera?
The upgrade to 30mmx30mm will definitely good for modules.

Is there any plan to get these machine at least CE certified like what Neoden and Charmhigh is doing?
Some countries won't allow these to come in without them.

Don't you guys want to extend the feeder portion to be able to hold reels like a regular TM24x machine? I think it's such a minimal modification needed that you guys have overlook.
Having them placed on the floor in a bin OR using your expensive extrusion solution is very unprofessional in my opinion.
 

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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2016, 01:19:57 am »
Michael,

What is the current maximum size of the components that can be picked and position corrected with the current camera?
The upgrade to 30mmx30mm will definitely good for modules.
>> Our visual alignment system can do parts up to 20x20mm

Is there any plan to get these machine at least CE certified like what Neoden and Charmhigh is doing?
Some countries won't allow these to come in without them.
>> We are preparing to do soon we use already CE certified parts

Don't you guys want to extend the feeder portion to be able to hold reels like a regular TM24x machine? I think it's such a minimal modification needed that you guys have overlook.
Having them placed on the floor in a bin OR using your expensive extrusion solution is very unprofessional in my opinion.
>> Please look on our website we use reel carts you can mount on a table or special table kit including reel carts.

 

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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2016, 01:56:09 am »
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Please look on our website we use reel carts you can mount on a table or special table kit including reel carts.
I'm referring to other than this extrusion based reel cart which I think is expensive. So, there's no plan to have it built-in on the machine itself?
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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2016, 02:20:18 am »
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Please look on our website we use reel carts you can mount on a table or special table kit including reel carts.
I'm referring to other than this extrusion based reel cart which I think is expensive. So, there's no plan to have it built-in on the machine itself?
We can't the shipping size is already very big so we can't add to the machine body but the single reel carts we build do the job very good.
And don't forget there will be a lot of reels on each side and some customers use big reels too.
 

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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2016, 04:28:48 am »
Michael,

What is the operator dipping the TQFP into before loading onto the Aluminium carrier?
 

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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2016, 04:52:44 am »
Looks like adding flux i think
 

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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2016, 05:00:19 am »
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We can't the shipping size is already very big so we can't add to the machine body
You can always make it into a detachable part consist of basically 3 parts (2 side panel and a rod(s) in the middle).
The 2 side panel can be attached to the existing feeder. These will cost at most few tens of USD only.
If Neoden can cramp that metal stand for Neoden4 into a way much smaller volume, I think it can be done.
Think Ikea!

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single reel carts we build do the job very good.
Good but very expensive solution that adds cost by shipping heavy extrusion part.
 

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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2016, 08:01:39 am »
The Neoden stand is a too light! I read machine is shaking when running and some user like to increase the mass to receive a reliable stand.
 

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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2016, 04:31:41 am »
Meet us on Makerfaire Hannover!
We demonstrate our VP-2800HP pick and place machine and the vapor phase reflow oven together with IMDES Marc van Stralen.
 
Please read our exhibition plan 2016
http://www.smallsmt.biz/exhibitions/
 
 

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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2016, 07:09:58 pm »
The Neoden stand is a too light! I read machine is shaking when running and some user like to increase the mass to receive a reliable stand.
could you fill it with concrete or sand?
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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2016, 08:07:02 pm »
The Neoden stand is a too light! I read machine is shaking when running and some user like to increase the mass to receive a reliable stand.
could you fill it with concrete or sand?

This is exactly what I was saying a while ago, it looks as the perfect candidate for some :)
 

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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2016, 11:52:16 am »
I did a new VP-2800HP spindle machine gallery on our website showing 3 side feeders and new high performance winder for the big machines.

Please look at:
http://www.smallsmt.biz/desktop-pnp/

The machine can place down to 0201 and 0.35 pitch components. If you need to increase precision it's possible to use a higher precision spindle too.
Our current spindle has a max error of 0.05mm over 300mm way.
We use linear guides and ball screw spindles from HIWIN.


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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2016, 02:45:41 pm »
I did a new VP-2800HP spindle machine gallery on our website showing 3 side feeders and new high performance winder for the big machines.

Michael, do you have a picture that shows the down facing camera? I haven't seen one in the gallery.
 

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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2016, 03:11:29 pm »
I have no picture because it's a module placed under the head behind the placement heads.
If you need we do a photo. But this week i am in Taiwan and can't do for you.
 

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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2016, 04:03:30 pm »
I have no picture because it's a module placed under the head behind the placement heads.
If you need we do a photo. But this week i am in Taiwan and can't do for you.

Thanks for the precisions. Just post one at some point when you have the time, I'm curious.
 
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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2016, 04:47:21 am »
We released a new software today including package database and improved nozzle changer handling.
The software is able to place the parts sorting by height >> small parts first.
Package database editor allows multiple changes to feeder settings using the same package.
You can group by different package names.
You have only to manage vision settings based on package so less work to do!
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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2016, 07:08:03 pm »
We have a new feeder monster VP-2800D belt machine having up to 90 x 8mm feeder on 3 side.
Working area 260x500mm, 8mm deep pocket feeders for north side possible.
For less than 8000USD!

Please have a look at:

http://www.smallsmt.biz/desktop-pick-place/


 

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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2016, 07:21:45 pm »
https://yushengtech.world.taobao.com/category-621732471.htm?spm=a312a.7700824.w5002-11366739504.3.hV3p7i&search=y&catName=%D7%D4%B6%AF%CC%F9%C6%AC%BB%FA

If you want to buy the machine several thousand dollars cheaper,  get a chinese buying agent ( theres thousands of them  ) to buy it for you in china, and ship it out to you.   
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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2016, 08:14:04 pm »
I thought the whole time someone is missing  here |O
Andrew Frazer is back!

We are the distributor for yushengtech machines outside China and Andrew if you like try to buy on Taobao.
I forgot we use better quality components for servo and winder motors.
And why did I stay in China the past weeks do you think SMALLSMT and YUSHENG didn't work as partners?
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Re: SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2016, 05:18:41 pm »
https://yushengtech.world.taobao.com/category-621732471.htm?spm=a312a.7700824.w5002-11366739504.3.hV3p7i&search=y&catName=%D7%D4%B6%AF%CC%F9%C6%AC%BB%FA

If you want to buy the machine several thousand dollars cheaper,  get a chinese buying agent ( theres thousands of them  ) to buy it for you in china, and ship it out to you.   

I have used taobao agents but for high value item I would be very concerned about money transfers, fees, reliable shipping/handling, export rules, etc.
 


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