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Yamaha YSM20R Pick and Place
kaevee:
--- Quote from: jmelson on February 25, 2024, 03:52:43 pm ---Make sure whatever you buy has GOOD manuals! The first machine I got, a Philips-brand CSM made by Yamaha, had quite good manuals. The second machine, the Quad-brand made by Samsung, had absolutely the worst manuals I have ever seen for something so complex. Fortunately, somebody hooked me up with the guy who did the factory training on it. I mean the most BASIC stuff was not in the manual. For instance, the machine coordinates are obvious, +X to the right, +Y away from you as you stand at the front. BUT, the PC board coordinates are +X to the LEFT! This actually makes a bit of sense, as the corner that is fixed on the conveyor is the front right corner, so all coords grow away from that. And, maybe this coordinate system is configurable in the ini file, so they can't say which system has been configured. But, this REALLY had me going in circles. The factory training guy was a godsend. He was a bit rusty on some of the details, but I sent him screenshots and he was able to explain a lot of stuff.
One other thing, if you are going to get an older machine, make sure it was popular at one time. My Quad/Samsung machine is based on the Samsung CP30, which was very popular in the far East at one time, and so lots of spare parts are available.
Jon
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We are buying new. Easy access to information and peer support makes life simpler and will definitely impact our decision. At this moment, the choice is between Yamaha or Panasonic. It is not going to be an easy decision, considering this is our first line :)
SMTech:
--- Quote from: kaevee on February 23, 2024, 02:19:30 pm ---
--- Quote from: SMTech on February 23, 2024, 01:13:05 pm ---If I was buying a new line today, I'd look first at Europlacer/Mycronic but I know what those systems cost and for 1 loaded up IIneo I can have perhaps 2 Hanwha or an AM100 and change. The Hanwha system would blitz the IIneo for speed during placement and match it on many other metrics.
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I am exploring the possibility of buying an AM100 + NPM-D3A.
What are the implications of buying an AM100? I am concerned about obsolescence.
Further, if I go with Panasonic, do I need to buy any optional software?
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You would need to dive into exactly what those options are with the distributor. optional software can include BOM/CAD import, multi-machine line management, stock control, software that runs on other workstations, dedicated component/package setup stations, barcodes, database connections, APIs to access those databases etc etc. Basically all of them strip out any functionality that isn't 100% essential to placement and charge money for it. Even collision avoidance is an extra (automatically routing head movement and places so the head won't hit a tall component after placing it).
kaevee:
--- Quote from: SMTech on February 26, 2024, 08:32:03 am ---
You would need to dive into exactly what those options are with the distributor. optional software can include BOM/CAD import, multi-machine line management, stock control, software that runs on other workstations, dedicated component/package setup stations, barcodes, database connections, APIs to access those databases etc etc. Basically all of them strip out any functionality that isn't 100% essential to placement and charge money for it. Even collision avoidance is an extra (automatically routing head movement and places so the head won't hit a tall component after placing it).
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Yes. It seems Panasonic have 9 different licenses for mounter (excluding the basic software included by default). I am expecting a quote from them soon for few of them.
jmelson:
--- Quote from: kaevee on February 23, 2024, 02:19:30 pm ---Further, if I go with Panasonic, do I need to buy any optional software?
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I have been a programmer from way back. So, it was no big deal to write my own programs to convert the output from my CAD package to what the P&P machines needed. All of them are different. My Philips machine had no issue with negative rotation and X coordinates, the Quad had a fit with any minus signs.
My programs read in a component list that has a column for rotation to compensate for the assumed rotation in the CAD definition being different from how the part comes in the tape. Then, it reads the P&P file from the CAD package and matches all parts to the component list. It then adjusts the XY coords for how the machine likes them, and flips them for the back side. it then outputs a file that the machine can read in.
Jon
kaevee:
--- Quote from: jmelson on February 26, 2024, 04:23:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: kaevee on February 23, 2024, 02:19:30 pm ---Further, if I go with Panasonic, do I need to buy any optional software?
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I have been a programmer from way back. So, it was no big deal to write my own programs to convert the output from my CAD package to what the P&P machines needed. All of them are different. My Philips machine had no issue with negative rotation and X coordinates, the Quad had a fit with any minus signs.
My programs read in a component list that has a column for rotation to compensate for the assumed rotation in the CAD definition being different from how the part comes in the tape. Then, it reads the P&P file from the CAD package and matches all parts to the component list. It then adjusts the XY coords for how the machine likes them, and flips them for the back side. it then outputs a file that the machine can read in.
Jon
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Me too. I can handle the data conversion/transformation wherever needed. On the other hand, I am exploring the options available to integrate the production planning module of our ERP system with mounter. It seems I need to buy a license for "e-link" for ERP integration.
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