My next job was a 12 image panel of opto boards with 20 leds in a pattern on each board which could have made misalignment very apparent and presentation unsatisfactory. The leds are 0603 parts which have a molded lens that is smaller than the 0603 substrate and slightly larger than 0402 passives so it was good to see the behavior of the 660 with these small profile parts. What mistakes were made in placement by the machine were traced to leds bouncing in the feeder such that they were not laying flat for pickup. Nonetheless, the vacuum nozzles lifted the LEDs, took them to the FASTCAM array and on to the panel where there were placement errors. The 660 has a screen that presents 6 static images from the FASTCAM array so you can observe part alignment for each pickup cycle. Then I noticed a setup parameter that allows you to specify the percent deviation in X-Y size as an accept/reject criteria. With this input, any edge-grab led pickups were rejected and sent to a predefined throw (think discard) area. After that 0603 LEDs were laid down with great precision. You really don't want to rework 0603 or 0402 leds!I found that the only way to solve this issue with my HW-T4-50F (aka SMT550) was to use an electric feeder. I also did try using the LW percentage rejection but that yielded too much of lost components thrown into the reject bin. I also figure out that this bouncing parts only happens if the LED is thinner and lighter. For example 0.3-0.4mm height 0603 LED would produced that bouncing behaviour on the pneumatic based CL feeder but if the LED is of thicker type like 0.6-0.7 mm, that generally reduced the issue down to 1 in 10 picks. But, using thicker LED and electric feeder, that solved my issues completely. So, nowadays I looked the LED height before purchasing.
Thanks for your tips.I guess he sold one without the electric feeder option installed to you. All HWGC machine has electric feeder option.
I have seen better results with taller leds. My yield on a 12 image panel with 240 leds total was already high with maybe 6 misplaced parts due to a bad lie in the tape pocket. I just wanted to get near perfect yield and the LW parameter in the vision system to deduce an angled pickup allowed that in my 0603 generation. My new challenge is to beat down the much higher incidence of part bounce with 0402 leds, more often flying right out of the tape pocket on feed advance so there is nothing for the 660 to pick up. This is where you start changing the number of retries - I went to 6. It happened with a led vendor I was unfamiliar with and whose parts I paid a lot for per reel. With my regular led supplier, Everlight, the pocket bounce is very low and placement errors with 0402 parts is about at zero. So my next trials to get things production tuned is to use Everlight exclusively for 0402 version boards. My 0603 generation needs tweaking in reflow profiles to prevent or reduce tilt.
Once before, I asked Jim at YX if there was an electric feeder upgrade for the 660 and believe he said no. If the answer ever becomes yes, I'd be all in.
Thanks for the writeup Proto and others.They do have a new machine which is basically a 2 4-head machine cascaded into 1 machine. It's huge but you basically have a hundred feeders with a pair of 4-heads running concurrently. If you haven't buy the older 8-head, it's worth the check. But not sure reseller like YX offering them already to market outside of China. I deal directly with HWGC though.
Lots of great info.
Looks like this is the machine for me. I am in a similar position though we are now at product 2. The first 300 boards I did by hand, and will probably be doing another 150 this time before I order this machine. Luckily my electronics guy has a Versatronics RVsomething machine that will do most of the work, hopefully. Would love it for the first run but need the cash first!
While our boards are only have 30-50 components each, it is mostly 0602 and a couple 0402. So I am not after Yamaha or Samsung level accuracy. Nor an I looking for high CPH..
Having bought a few dozen bits of equipment, nothing this expensive yet, looks to be the standard list of things to fix or make somewhat suitable for Western standards.
Dual monitors is definitely something I would like.
As for feeders. They offered me 35x 8mm feeders with the 880. Though I got another 5 out of them for free. I was planning on buying a few 12mm and 16mm as well as a single 24mm. Will also need a vibration feeder too.
I have budgeted for 2-4 electronic 8mm feeders.
Been watching Unexpected Maker and his CharmHigh p&p fiasco and it looks like these used / knockoff feeders do bounce small components a lot. Wondering if it can be fixed with a higher quality oem cylinder? I do have a few 0402 components but only 2 LEDs. The others are diodes that are also quite light so thinking they are best off in an electronic feeder too.
From the sounds of it. Adding electronic feeders is just adding a power supply? Don't they still use the pneumatic to know when to push a new component out?
I too am dealing with Jim. While he has been pushy with me saying the free feeders is the first time they have done it and that the deal was only for 2 days. He has been alright overall.
He provided me with the files attached to post 1 without a comment.
My biggest concern is the software.
I would love to get my hands on it and see if my mates could hack into it and make it better for larger monitors. Looks like they are using the basic VS Forms to make the UI. Any chance you could send me a copy of the software package?
They do have a new machine which is basically a 2 4-head machine cascaded into 1 machine. It's huge but you basically have a hundred feeders with a pair of 4-heads running concurrently. If you haven't buy the older 8-head, it's worth the check. But not sure reseller like YX offering them already to market outside of China. I deal directly with HWGC though.
There's a row of electric power socket if you ordered them installed. I got my machine from Beijing Glichn and they specifically told me it is not included unless ordered by customer. My HW-T4-50F is about USD6.3K shipped to Malaysia by boat but without import broker, but we found one local company that helps to do all those import stuff and shipping for USD350. As they are based in Beijing but the boat service depart from Guangzhou, I arranged a land shipping from Beijing all the way to the south. They didn't charged me for that as I no longer use their bundled sea shipping from Beijing to Malaysia (that tells you how cheap is sea shipping!). On top of that price, I added about 22x of 8mm, 4x of 12mm, 4x of 16mm and a vibration feeder. Total with machine about USD8K++. Since then, I ordered a bunch more pneumatic feeder and electric feeders. But, I have since stop purchasing 8mm pneumatic feeder and instead investing only on electric feeder. Will probably sell off all my pneumatic 8mm feeders too in the near future. The electric feeder still uses the existing solenoid air as a triggering signal for the electric motor to advance the tape.
The software is locked to each machine with each software installation requires a key generated based on the machine ID by them. The new software is no longer locked to the 4:3 aspect ratio last I asked the lead software developer. I don't have much space, else I would use a bigger monitor too. My advise to you, try the software first and you will be surprised how usable it is. The latest version is really a big upgrade.
The *HWGC* you are dealing with on Alibaba and Aliexpress is also just a reseller like YX. They paid some royalty and licensing fee to use their name. The factory haven't do any international sales for now. I doubt that you could get any information on the new machine, it's not up on any of their website or local Taobao store. But order book has been opened.
You can get the electrical feeder from Beijing Glichn for much better pricing. I have looked around in Shenzhen areas for feeder supplier, nothing beat their pricing. So, either I didn't dig deep enough into the supply chain or they are just being nice to me. :P
Neoden does sell some stuff cheaper than others. Their 24 mm pneumatic feeder is cheaper than anyone out there. Cheapest 8 mm pneumatic CL Yamaha clones I have bought is around USD14 second hand on and new at USD43 on Taobao. Some of these *new* are actually refurbished feeders. Be careful of that.
I made friends with the HWGC guys when I went over their factory in Beijing (Glichn helped to organize the trip as it is located outskirt of Beijing) and also their showroom factory in Shenzhen. So, I know exactly who I'm dealing with.
I doubt there's new original Yamaha CL feeder in the market anymore. These are just copies or refurbished copies. There are subtle differences though between suppliers which i noticed. But, what I would recommend is buying only from 1 supplier. The part that holds the reels can be of different shape and width. So, when you have feeders from various supplier, they tend to be a bit tight when sitting to each other. And I really hate my electric feeder sitting next to pneumatic ones due to their shapes on the handle making it hard to remove and install them.
Will probably sell off all my pneumatic 8mm feeders too in the near future.
We have an SMT660 and been using it for a year. Came with 35 free 8mm feeders, but we bought 20 more + some 12, 16 & 24mm, stick feeder, extra nozzels. We had the $250 electric option free when we bought 2 electric feeders. We have since bought a load more, if you have the budget get them upfront where you will get a better deal for the larger order. Jim is good to work with, although he will always try and sell you more! The big 24mm feeders are a pain, they move so fast parts get shaken out with more on the floor than on the boards, so some parts like HC49 crystals are being designed out for 3.2x2.5 in 8mm tape, but that's a feeder issue not a machine issue.
We will getting 2 or 3 more machines, but just put it back as we have real issues with sourcing parts. Don't fret about your machine, it will be good, in the time other people on here have been fixing their used bargain machine, our increased profit to paid for the machine times over. I also used an RV4S for a while during our early days, while it helped us progress, the SMT660 is in another league.
When you work out the software process it is quick to setup, but you can't get a look/feel for the software as it won't startup without a machine attached even if you could get hold of a copy. The manual is bare minimum watch online videos, there isn't a lot to learn. Make sure you set it up accurately. The conveyor default speed is too high, the belt slides under the PCB, slow it down to 4 and a 1.5 second delay. The crosshair in the camera view is by default yellow, change it to red as you get a much better view. You will need to tweak the fid recognition settings (brightness/contrast) to get it working, but once you have it right it will work reliably with FID1 upper left and FID2 bottom right. My biggest wish is to have a manual selection of the feeder order/position rather than the built-in optimisation that sometimes insists you move a feeder to a new position. We had no issues with the electrical safety of the machine, it was checked out by a top notch sparky and tested out OK. I have never run it full speed, it's too fast to keep up with at the door open speed.
We got a silent type compressor for air like: eBay auction: #173975839172, it provides enough air at the right pressure, but the duty cycle is high and it over heats and shuts down so we have another not so silent one daisy chained that we had lying around. We also added an SMC membrane air dryer inline like this on eBay auction: #143480683473 for $55.
Will put it up at the buy/sell forum when the time comes.Will probably sell off all my pneumatic 8mm feeders too in the near future.
Let me know I will probably be interested in 10 or 20...
What SW version do you have?
Why don't you use a freight forwarder? Here in Germany I paid around 350 Euros for my 200kg reflow oven and thery took care of customs and import tax.
You will find similar service in the UK.
I do have a freight forwarder doing all the required stuff to import it correctly. They do the paperwork, pay everything, insure it etc, I pay them and pick it up from the port.
So what is the rate of parts bounce for 0603 parts with pneumatic feeders? I specifically bought this thing to place about 20,000 0603 caps and resistors and about 200 large LQFP's a week. Can the electric power distribution be retro fitted to allow electric feeders to be used. Eh, I'll just ask Jim and report the answer back here.
My Stateside fees are going to be $3277.19 plus driving to Chicago, renting a room and an enclosed trailer. I'm going to be at $13.5K all in when it finally lands on my doorstep.Show him the photos by circling the power ports under the feeder banks.
Jim is interested in selling me electric feeders and doesn't understand that I'm asking for the power supply and connectors to power those feeders even though I asked specifically for those parts.
TS, I’m looking at the first table and it appears the dimensions of the more capable machine (880) are smaller than the middle one (660). Is that correct?
And this is a working video of the HW-T8-80F (for your collection in Google drive):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG_Hgwnqrxg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG_Hgwnqrxg)
My Stateside fees are going to be $3277.19 plus driving to Chicago, renting a room and an enclosed trailer. I'm going to be at $13.5K all in when it finally lands on my doorstep.
Ouch! What are all the fees? Is that mostly import duty, or are there other things driving it up?
Does anyone have a sugguestion for a vacuum pump for SMT550? 0.6 - 0.7 MPa is high pressure as I understand.Usually most pump comes with 0.8 MPa. More is okay but not less because some losses happen at the filter. More important is the capacity which is recommended to be 60 liter or more, mine is 50 liter. Air flow per minute was recommended by HWGC as 120 liter/minute, mine is 180 liter/minute. Don't forget a good air filter.
Vacuum can be created by a vacuum pump or -and this is commonly used- a Venturi vacuum 'generator' that uses air pressure through a Venturi valve.
Yes, you only need to get an air compressor like this (https://www.ebay.com/itm/274442938952?epid=15018771178&hash=item3fe612ea48:g:IOwAAOSw3mVfpSjm). Don't bother about the link specification, I simply picked one.Vacuum can be created by a vacuum pump or -and this is commonly used- a Venturi vacuum 'generator' that uses air pressure through a Venturi valve.
Thank you. I understand this principle.
And I guess this valve is built into this machine?
27.5% import tax on the machine, 25% import tax on the feeders
For those of you who already own one of these machines, I have questions about feeders.By default, the feeders are advanced by 4 mm (or multiple of it on larger 12 mm, 16 mm, etc feeder). So, for 0402, they have a special version that advances by 2 mm instead. I would say, if budget permits, go for the electric feeder. Myself started buying more electric feeders and won't be buying pneumatic ones anymore. I think the accuracy, less bouncing for plastic tape, rely less on air pressure quality (only uses it as triggering signal), and quieter are the values I found to be very useful on these electric feeder. But, one aspect I love most about the electric feeder is when you swap out a reel for another, you only lose 2 components while the pneumatic ones loses 6 components for 8 mm reels. The electric feeder can be configured to advance either 2 mm or 4 mm. But, the 8 mm pneumatic ones are very good itself for your regular passive and active, and also can be had for as cheap as USD40 if you hunt around. 2nd hands can be had for as low as USD10.
I see that components on 8mm tape are spaced on either a 2mm pitch (0201, 0402) or 4mm pitch (0603-1210). Do I need separate feeders for those different spacings, or do they advance 2mm when actuated and just get actuated twice by the PnP machine when components are 4mm apart?
I'm trying to figure out what feeders I need - I'll be doing a mix of 0603 and 0402 boards, and I hope I don't need 40 8mm feeders for each size!
I also plan on buying some electric feeders to be able to move to 0201 in the future, but they are 3x the cost of the pneumatic feeders. They don't look as expensive if one of them can replace 2 pneumatic feeders, but 40 of those would cost almost as much as the HW-T4SG-50F I'm planning to put them in.
Thanks in advance!
For those of you who already own one of these machines, I have questions about feeders.
I see that components on 8mm tape are spaced on either a 2mm pitch (0201, 0402) or 4mm pitch (0603-1210). Do I need separate feeders for those different spacings, or do they advance 2mm when actuated and just get actuated twice by the PnP machine when components are 4mm apart?
I'm trying to figure out what feeders I need - I'll be doing a mix of 0603 and 0402 boards, and I hope I don't need 40 8mm feeders for each size!
I also plan on buying some electric feeders to be able to move to 0201 in the future, but they are 3x the cost of the pneumatic feeders. They don't look as expensive if one of them can replace 2 pneumatic feeders, but 40 of those would cost almost as much as the HW-T4SG-50F I'm planning to put them in.
Thanks in advance!
I have not verified the part numbers yet, but, I found part numbers and feeder specs and created this spreadsheet. Hope it helps.
My machine has arrived in Chicago and is cleared for pick up! I'm about to pay the invoice for the forwarder which includes import taxes and a wealth of other fees. It'll be a $2703.80 outlay, plus at least $45 for them to fork lift it on to my trailer wen i get there. I'm definitely approaching $4500 in various fees and taxes to buy a $7500 machine with about $1000 in additional feeders. Should have bought that $18K Samsung with 100 feeders. Oh well! :palm: :D
Soooo anyone know what size and type of container the 550 comes in? Would I need an enclosed trailer if its raining or is the packaging typically weatherproof?
Soooo anyone know what size and type of container the 550 comes in? Would I need an enclosed trailer if its raining or is the packaging typically weatherproof?Here's how it look like, I forgot the measurements but the volumetric was 1.46 m3.
Still waiting for a working registration, after several emails and about 18 hours. |O
Still waiting for a working registration, after several emails and about 18 hours. |O
For example, do the dimensions include the pins?Scan-R is when the default camera scan radius on the component is not enough to cover the entire component dimension. The default scan radius would fit nearly everything jelly beans and IC. But, if you have something larger like module, USB connector you enlarged this scan radius. To see the effects of this scan radius, go to any component feeder page, pick the component to the fast/high camera and play with the scan radius.
What is the sync/pick tolerance?
What is the special Scan-R?
What is the Charactors-check?
What is the pick-H pressure offset?
There is one thing that really annoys me in this machine, and that is the software checking on disabled components. Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but if for whatever reason I don't want to mount some components there is a "Valid" check mark on the component list.Simply assigned plate feeder to them and configure some simple matrix for it to keep the software happy. Or you can add them later if you want to delete them now. I wish they have a 1 check box to somehow tell the software is not being used now, so please ignore it.
So still I should have to select the correct footprint and optimize the whole thing as if I was to mount them, otherwise I get a lot of errors in the "Diagnose" section.
Of course I could delete those components but I want to keep them there for future use.
Simply assigned plate feeder to them and configure some simple matrix for it to keep the software happy. Or you can add them later if you want to delete them now. I wish they have a 1 check box to somehow tell the software is not being used now, so please ignore it.
Is there a way to adjust the tape advance distance on the 16mm reels? Currently they travel half the distance I need, looks about 6mm, I need 12mm.The metal tab can do 4, 8, 12 and 16 mm. Push it to the right or left to which the number is engraved on to select the distance required.
Ok, I see the little metal tab you can flip over, however this now gives me too much travel lol
Could someone with an SMT550 please take a picture of the screen showing the green nozzle calibration check boxes at the bottom? I don't know what I did but when trying to calibrate feeders I have managed to un-calibrate the nozzles and they seem WAY off now. I'm looking for a ballpark delta before I run the calibration program as it says if its way off damage could occur. Mine are all in the 14000 - 21000 range on the X and all are 6798 on the Y.The nozzle height should be around 8.2K range for all nozzle (you can move the head to the feeder location and move the nozzle down and save height). Machine should be already calibrated before going out from the factory.
Thanks!
This was XY offset, not height, but thank you for answering. I did get it figured out.I have been successfully using 504 on SOIC-8 all along as we only have 4 nozzle, no problem at all. My air supply after the filter is between 0.45-0.7 MPa depending on the time before the compressor start filling up again. This is with a 5 um air filter which ate 0.1 MPa along the way. Double check the height of both picking up and mounting. That is the usual issue, not air so much.
New issue though, there doesn't appear to be enough vacuum to pick up an SO8 with a 505 nozzle. I have incoming air regulated to 90psi and I believe its flowing at 4.5cfm. Will continue working on this and report back findings.
Double check the height of both picking up and mounting.
Usually you should be able to hear that quite easily as a loud *thunk*. At least that's what I get with our machine when the component z-size setting is too small.Double check the height of both picking up and mounting.
Regarding this: In the feeder plug there is an easy way to check the pick-height, but how could one check the placing of one component say in "slow motion" ?
It would be nice to check visually if the component is either released too early or pushed too hard.
Then on the PCB Edit, right click to run a specific component mount test corresponds to the feeder you have just setup earlier.
We got a silent type compressor for air like: eBay auction: #173975839172, it provides enough air at the right pressure, but the duty cycle is high and it over heats and shuts down so we have another not so silent one daisy chained that we had lying around. We also added an SMC membrane air dryer inline like this on eBay auction: #143480683473 for $55.Does the SMC air dryer reduces any air pressure before reaching the machine? I currently use a 5 um filter (maybe this is overkill and 40 um is enough) and it ate up 0.1 MPa which I think slightly make the placement process problematic when the air tank went below 0.5 MPa before it starts refilling (so machine gets around 0.4 MPa). Not cheap though the air dryer if it is brand new.
I'm in the process of buying a PnP machine and I'm lurking on the HW-T6-64F, HW-T8-68F or HW-DU400-64F.
Do you know if the z Axis can be raised on the HW-T6-64F ? 7mm seems low ?
Does the machines have a nozzle change feature ?
Also, where would you recommend to buy it from, XY, Glichn or straight from Beijing Huawei Guochuang ?
Thanks for all the post in this thread, it really helps to have your feedback :D !
No, I think 7 mm is correct for maximum component height. I have spoken to the manager of HWGC back in their Shenzhen factory and he mentioned he did close up to 8 mm electrolytic capacitor before. 20 mm is probably the total z-movement. Myself have tried up to 7 mm tactile switch too. Unless you are into tall components, 7 mm is a lot to work for.I'm in the process of buying a PnP machine and I'm lurking on the HW-T6-64F, HW-T8-68F or HW-DU400-64F.
Do you know if the z Axis can be raised on the HW-T6-64F ? 7mm seems low ?
Does the machines have a nozzle change feature ?
Also, where would you recommend to buy it from, XY, Glichn or straight from Beijing Huawei Guochuang ?
Thanks for all the post in this thread, it really helps to have your feedback :D !
They are all 20mm Z height. 7mm was an error.
Buy from whoever gives you the best deal.
7mm is correct for maximum component height. I have spoken to the manager of HWGC back in their Shenzhen factory and he mentioned he did close up to 8 mm electrolytic capacitor before. 20 mm is probably the total z-movement. Myself have tried up to 7 mm tactile switch too. Unless you are into tall components, 7 mm is a lot to work for.
I fixed my vacuum issue and have had some limited success placing parts. I'd say though that about 60% of 0603's get blown off the board with the little puff of air used to release vacuum. I know this is the issue rather than placement height because on occasion it will move parts next to the one is blown away. Is there a setting anywhere to back this off somewhat?What nozzle size are you using? And mind showing one of the feeder configuration of 0603 that has this issue?
For example, do the dimensions include the pins?
What is the sync/pick tolerance?
What is the pick-H pressure offset?
HWGC price for NXT electric feeders.Just checked with my supplier, they are of similar pricing with the Yamaha electric feeder. $155 for the 8 mm. Always check with feeder manufacturer to get the best price. Machine seller will add a big margin.
8mm $240
12mm $260
16mm $280
24mm $380
32mm $650
44mm $750
Overall I'm very happy with the machine. This is the first PnP that I've operated, and I've been able basically alone, to mount medium sized boards, starting from 0. Still there are lots of details about the software that I'd like to learn, but I guess I will as problems arise. The only real problem I had was that I had to increase LED brightness in the Fast Camera from the default value as it was throwing a lot of 0603 components, although maybe lowering the recognition threshold would have been a solution too.The fast LED is best set at 250. These are settings from the old v6.0 software which were solid for me, so I brought it forward to v8.0 that has some values changed (the lead software engineer personally told me to change things like brightness to suit in the newer software). I have set the speed up to 50 but nowadays I just slowed it down to 40 just to admire the process.
Right now, out of caution and because I like to watch the mount process I limit the mounting XY speed to 30.
Just checked with my supplier, they are of similar pricing with the Yamaha electric feeder. $155 for the 8 mm. Always check with feeder manufacturer to get the best price. Machine seller will add a big margin.
Saw this machine when they first release in 2019 August in Shenzhen. It's a very huge machine and expensive too. HWGC do acknowledged them as a good competitor though especially these newer big machine.
Looks like Charmhigh have had access to this model for a few years? Found videos from 2018 from them with similar look with NXT feeders.
Saw this machine when they first release in 2019 August in Shenzhen. It's a very huge machine and expensive too. HWGC do acknowledged them as a good competitor though especially these newer big machine.
Looks like Charmhigh have had access to this model for a few years? Found videos from 2018 from them with similar look with NXT feeders.
I personally asked them on whether they would still make/develop similar sized desktop machine that Seon bought, the answer was a solid NO back in 2019. From there itself, I knew where their effort are being put into. They further add, simply because people wants a proper solid bigger machine nowadays. So, it's hard to say what these newer big machine has to offer.Saw this machine when they first release in 2019 August in Shenzhen. It's a very huge machine and expensive too. HWGC do acknowledged them as a good competitor though especially these newer big machine.
Looks like Charmhigh have had access to this model for a few years? Found videos from 2018 from them with similar look with NXT feeders.
My view of Charmhigh is slightly tainted from watching Unexpected Maker's video and the trouble he had with them.
Have they stepped up their game since their earlier machines?
I personally asked them on whether they would still make/develop similar sized desktop machine that Seon bought, the answer was a solid NO back in 2019. From there itself, I knew where their effort are being put into. They further add, simply because people wants a proper solid bigger machine nowadays. So, it's hard to say what these newer big machine has to offer.
After much fiddling with feeder and vision settings, I've finally, sucessfully, placed over 1600 parts on a run of boards.Well tell us about some of those problems so we can all learn...
Bad day today. I ignorantly trying to plug in a feeder while machine is running. Damage all 4 nozzle and it's nozzle holder. Anxiously waiting for HWGC support's response tomorrow. Took out the head cover (those bought from YX doesn't come with a cover) and it seems to be doable.
I was struggling to get parts to pick up and to place without being blown off the board. I was also having issues with IC's being placed at what appeared to be random angles.I think you probably didn't have the machine properly calibrated (not your fault). By right, out of the box, feeder base height and PCB base height are properly set from factory. The deviation should be very small such that it is negligible when you plug in your feeder or PCB. You can also go to the calibration page, and move the nozzle down to feeder or PCB to see the calibrated values are valid or not. It should touch the feeder and PCB. The offset value should always be around 0.3mm-0.6mm. This is basically the amount of press down you want the nozzle to go down after reaching the theoretical height.
To fix the pick up issue I manually added .75mm extra Z down travel to the pickup height of each feeder. I also slowed up and down travel speed to 35. Placement delay is 20.
To fix the placement issue I measured the board height manually and made my Z down travel 8500 for every part. This meant that the travel in the spring of the nozzle would take up and extra travel that larger components didn't need. Its worked perfectly on over 3000 parts now. Travel speed is 35 up and down. Placement delay is 20.
To fix the IC's being incorrectly placed I picked to the High Cam and adjusted the R to solve the vision system detecting the nozzle as a part and trying to adjust the angle based upon that and not the actual part. For SO8 and smaller R was 185 for each part and for anything larger I used 225. Haven't had a single misplaced IC since.
The only issue I have currently is that it will not adjust placement based on Marks, so I have to manually adjust that for each pcb loaded. It seems to always want to place parts slightly to the left of center. A small price to pay to get product out the door. I can come back to that later.
I do have a concern that it isnt saving all program data and I'm currently running all pcbs of one type until that entire project is complete vs running as many boards as I need to ship and then going to a new program and running as many of those boards I currently need. I just don't want to go through setting up this project again, there's hundreds of parts on this pcb and I legitimately spent 80+ hours getting it to this stage.
I was struggling to get parts to pick up and to place without being blown off the board. I was also having issues with IC's being placed at what appeared to be random angles.
One question, the pick up position for components in CL12 feeders is that below the big metal tab, not the position in the clear right after it...Must be below the metal tab. When the feeder open, that is where the component will be picked when the tab opens. This prevent components from jumping out. In order to make sure the component is at this location, you can advance the tape by hand by 4mm or multiple of it. Just press the metal tab that advances the tape by half way and take note of the metal gear movement at the front. Pressing the metal tab completely will advance the tape by how much you have already set the feeder to advance (4, 8, 12 or 16). Each gear teeth corresponds to 4 mm movement. That will allow you to adjust the component to sit exactly below the metal tab.
I'm asking because the XY pick up positions in CL8 and CL12 feeders is different by a lot.
I believe the machine was completely out of calibration when I got it hence why so many problems. At one point, now that I know what I'm talking about somewhat, I believe the nozzles on the X where 208mm out.
Today I need to place 150x 144 pin lqfp IC's. This was the main reason I bought the machine because doing this once a month by hand was cruel and unusual punishment 😅
Any guidance on set up? Does the down camera look at the pad location or is everything located based on the local fids?
Is there any way to run this without optimization? I've got around 20 feeders that have parts common with 3 projects and would love to be able to leave them where they are for each project. Seems like a lot of unnecessary work shifting them around, telling the software what part is in which feeder and which location over and over.
Is there a save button anywhere that saves all settings - basically the entire set up for a run? Or does it save automatically in the background each time you make a change somewhere?
One question to those operating the machine: do you use a water separation device or an air drying device between compressor and machine?I do have a normal one, but I believe the humidity of your region is what should define your effort here, where I live it is dry most of the year, 39% now, compared to 78% in Berlin or 60% in Singapore.
IF PEOPLE COULD STOP PRIVATE MESSAGING ME ASKING FOR ME TO ILLEGALLY GIVE THEM A COPY OF THIS SOFTWARE, SO THEY CAN ADMITTEDLY DISSASSEMBLE IT AND CREATE A VERSION OF THEIR OWN, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. THANKS!I thought people always said that software made by Chinese companies are no good, so bad that they wouldn't even go near their product, let alone copying their software. ;D
Do not be discouraged..
The 110V mod is likely to be a 110/220V, 3KVA step-up transformer, a commercial, nicely packaged toroidal unit. That's what I got and used until I ran a direct line from my AC panel. The Panasonic drive electronics and servo motors come in 120 and 240 volt versions. The 660 uses the higher voltage and perhaps the 3 top models all do it for inventory reasons. There are two switching power supplies and they like the PC and monitor can take either voltage although they are not auto switching.
Fifteen feeders is great to be thrown in for a 550. I got 15 for a 660 and was offered 25 for an 880. In the end, when stuffed boards come out of the machine its all worth it.
Are you dealing with Jim Jiang at YX?
I believe the machine was completely out of calibration when I got it hence why so many problems. At one point, now that I know what I'm talking about somewhat, I believe the nozzles on the X where 208mm out.If you still have the LQFP inaccuracy issues:
Today I need to place 150x 144 pin lqfp IC's. This was the main reason I bought the machine because doing this once a month by hand was cruel and unusual punishment 😅
Any guidance on set up? Does the down camera look at the pad location or is everything located based on the local fids?
Is there any way to run this without optimization? I've got around 20 feeders that have parts common with 3 projects and would love to be able to leave them where they are for each project. Seems like a lot of unnecessary work shifting them around, telling the software what part is in which feeder and which location over and over.
Is there a save button anywhere that saves all settings - basically the entire set up for a run? Or does it save automatically in the background each time you make a change somewhere?
Posted part 1 of the machine tutorial:
https://youtu.be/D8Ai-YlF4kE (https://youtu.be/D8Ai-YlF4kE)
Sorry for the lack of mouse cursor, promise they will show up in the following part.
Posted part 1 of the machine tutorial:
https://youtu.be/D8Ai-YlF4kE (https://youtu.be/D8Ai-YlF4kE)
Sorry for the lack of mouse cursor, promise they will show up in the following part.
You became my idol...hahaha.You better get ready some tickets to Sepultura or Cavalera Conspiracy show if I ever had the chance to go to Brazil. ;D
When you come to São Paulo, I'll pay you Brazilian barbecue at Fogo de Chão ;D
Good introduction, demonstrates that overall the machine is not that difficult to use. I was able to put it to work without having experience in any PnP.Thanks. Yeah, the machine is pretty easy to use and the software is intuitive (at least to me) with only certain things sort of cryptic in the beginning but once you know them, it's very repeatable and consistent. That square fiducials are 0.5 mm in diameter and rotated 45° so it aligned with the cross-hair cursor at the edges. I figured this out quite early on that the normal circle 1 mm fiducial or component center wouldn't be accurate enough due to the resolution of the look down camera and of course our eyes.
I like those smallish square fiducials....
You became my idol...hahaha.You better get ready some tickets to Sepultura or Cavalera Conspiracy show if I ever had the chance to go to Brazil. ;D
When you come to São Paulo, I'll pay you Brazilian barbecue at Fogo de Chão ;DGood introduction, demonstrates that overall the machine is not that difficult to use. I was able to put it to work without having experience in any PnP.Thanks. Yeah, the machine is pretty easy to use and the software is intuitive (at least to me) with only certain things sort of cryptic in the beginning but once you know them, it's very repeatable and consistent. That square fiducials are 0.5 mm in diameter and rotated 45° so it aligned with the cross-hair cursor at the edges. I figured this out quite early on that the normal circle 1 mm fiducial or component center wouldn't be accurate enough due to the resolution of the look down camera and of course our eyes.
I like those smallish square fiducials....
What is the accessory this machine is picking from at 1:27?You have never used a vibration feeder before? As cheap as $100 for 3 lane version.
You have never used a vibration feeder before? As cheap as $100 for 3 lane version.No, the chips I have in tubes are placed manually. I prefer to have the slots available for 8 and 12mm feeders. Maybe when/if I have the 80 feeders version.
Okay, that's a valid reason but it's a nice to have option especially during this part shortage time, I take whatever packaging that is available. For example, I got my memory from Winbond directly and it comes in tubes, cut tape (it's mad they pre-cut them into 10s), tray and full reel. I had no choice but to get the tube form as the rest doesn't make sense (full reel is too much for me, tray eat up my tray area for other IC). I used the vibration tubes for SOIC and connectors (when there's no tape tooling readily available) mostly but sometimes I even used it for smaller IC like MSOP and TSSOP when supply in tapes comes in hard. I purchase various sizes of 2nd hand tubes off Taobao for these purposes and they are cheap. Vibration feeder also makes sense if the CL feeder drain depth is too little compared to the component height.You have never used a vibration feeder before? As cheap as $100 for 3 lane version.No, the chips I have in tubes are placed manually. I prefer to have the slots available for 8 and 12mm feeders. Maybe when/if I have the 80 feeders version.
Below is the picture of my compressor with the data is it enough to play Pnp hw-t6sg-64F?By his specification to be sufficient, however I believe that a little weak during the day I feel a loss of pressure in my pneumatic line.The one I use charges to 8bar and has 125L/min and is absolutely fine so yours is a beast
Below is the picture of my compressor with the data is it enough to play Pnp hw-t6sg-64F?By his specification to be sufficient, however I believe that a little weak during the day I feel a loss of pressure in my pneumatic line.The one I use charges to 8bar and has 125L/min and is absolutely fine so yours is a beast
Hi folks, quick update. Machine has been running ok for the most part. It seems to loose accuracy from board to board on some parts but is generally ok. However, over night last night, the hard drive died. Hoping Jim can get me back on line quickly. I knew I should have copied the drive on day one! :palm:Thank you for reminding us. ;D
IF PEOPLE COULD STOP PRIVATE MESSAGING ME ASKING FOR ME TO ILLEGALLY GIVE THEM A COPY OF THIS SOFTWARE, SO THEY CAN ADMITTEDLY DISSASSEMBLE IT AND CREATE A VERSION OF THEIR OWN, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. THANKS!
Thinking - if someone could clone their drive and we have a copy available within the community, that would be a nice safety blanket.
At least everyone should copy and back up their license key and parameter files, just in case. I was lucky enough to have the drive live for long enough to copy those.
Quick update: Still not running.Hang on friend, managed to get my contacts in HWGC to help. Drop me a PM.
It took FOREVER to get Win7 64 to accept cd/dvd/usb drivers to actually install. Now, I am having issues with the main SMT placement program, it fails with a cant find moon_boxes.dll which is installed and located exactly where it should be. I also cant load pcie drivers because there is a signing error. I cant update the .net framework because it reports that the root certificate is bad yet I pulled this right off the MS website, and finally I cant get the fast cam driver from their link because apparently whatever they've created in the file is in violation of Google Drives terms of service and its inaccessible.
As for Jim, well, after saying they can no longer help and I should find someone in my own country, has stopped answering emails. I have begged for a clone image of a working drive and have offered to pay. Crickets.
Also to note, they seem to use an unregistered copy of windows and seem to have some work around that stops it asking for you to register it. Knowing this makes me a lot less resistant to someone copying and hacking their software.
At this point, I own a $13000, 5 month old, 450lb brick that is costing me money in lost production every single day. F 'em. Copy their damn software.
Start Windows with signature disabled for testing? Turn on PC press F8 -> allow unsigned drivers to load
QuoteQuick update: Still not running.Hang on friend, managed to get my contacts in HWGC to help. Drop me a PM.
It took FOREVER to get Win7 64 to accept cd/dvd/usb drivers to actually install. Now, I am having issues with the main SMT placement program, it fails with a cant find moon_boxes.dll which is installed and located exactly where it should be. I also cant load pcie drivers because there is a signing error. I cant update the .net framework because it reports that the root certificate is bad yet I pulled this right off the MS website, and finally I cant get the fast cam driver from their link because apparently whatever they've created in the file is in violation of Google Drives terms of service and its inaccessible.
As for Jim, well, after saying they can no longer help and I should find someone in my own country, has stopped answering emails. I have begged for a clone image of a working drive and have offered to pay. Crickets.
Also to note, they seem to use an unregistered copy of windows and seem to have some work around that stops it asking for you to register it. Knowing this makes me a lot less resistant to someone copying and hacking their software.
At this point, I own a $13000, 5 month old, 450lb brick that is costing me money in lost production every single day. F 'em. Copy their damn software.
Hello,
I have got the 8.8.0 software version. But after re-install and import the parameter (calibration files backup), the language changes to chinese and there is no way to change it to english...???
Any idea ?
Best Regards
Adam
Hello,
I have got the 8.8.0 software version. But after re-install and import the parameter (calibration files backup), the language changes to chinese and there is no way to change it to english...???
Any idea ?
Best Regards
Adam
You could opt take out your phone and use the instant Google translation through the camera. But, if you haven't:
QuoteQuick update: Still not running.Hang on friend, managed to get my contacts in HWGC to help. Drop me a PM.
It took FOREVER to get Win7 64 to accept cd/dvd/usb drivers to actually install. Now, I am having issues with the main SMT placement program, it fails with a cant find moon_boxes.dll which is installed and located exactly where it should be. I also cant load pcie drivers because there is a signing error. I cant update the .net framework because it reports that the root certificate is bad yet I pulled this right off the MS website, and finally I cant get the fast cam driver from their link because apparently whatever they've created in the file is in violation of Google Drives terms of service and its inaccessible.
As for Jim, well, after saying they can no longer help and I should find someone in my own country, has stopped answering emails. I have begged for a clone image of a working drive and have offered to pay. Crickets.
Also to note, they seem to use an unregistered copy of windows and seem to have some work around that stops it asking for you to register it. Knowing this makes me a lot less resistant to someone copying and hacking their software.
At this point, I own a $13000, 5 month old, 450lb brick that is costing me money in lost production every single day. F 'em. Copy their damn software.
Incoming PM.
Hello,
I have got the 8.8.0 software version. But after re-install and import the parameter (calibration files backup), the language changes to chinese and there is no way to change it to english...???
Any idea ?
Best Regards
Adam
Did you see that the HWGC people are using their great youtube post to help us out?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhs_fTtH4s0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhs_fTtH4s0)
Friend, I'm not affiliated to HWGC. Just helping out everyone whenever I can.Hello,
I have got the 8.8.0 software version. But after re-install and import the parameter (calibration files backup), the language changes to chinese and there is no way to change it to english...???
Any idea ?
Best Regards
Adam
Did you see that the HWGC people are using their great youtube post to help us out?
Currently editing the part 2 of the video.
Friend, I'm not affiliated to HWGC. Just helping out everyone whenever I can.Hello,
I have got the 8.8.0 software version. But after re-install and import the parameter (calibration files backup), the language changes to chinese and there is no way to change it to english...???
Any idea ?
Best Regards
Adam
Did you see that the HWGC people are using their great youtube post to help us out?
Currently editing the part 2 of the video.
You've been doing a really good job with your videos and helping us learn the machine's workflow.
I hope HWGC asked for your authorization, that would be correct of them, last month I contacted HWGC and asked for authorization to use one of their videos to carry out internal marketing on the acquisition of new machines to increase our productivity, I quickly got authorization;
I didn't forget your tickets, when you come to Brazil call me.
I didn't notice he blatantly re-uploaded my video until I re-read your comment and added his stamp mark all over it. Never even ask any permission. Requested YT to remove it. There's too many of them claiming to be HWGC. Thank you for informing.Hello,
I have got the 8.8.0 software version. But after re-install and import the parameter (calibration files backup), the language changes to chinese and there is no way to change it to english...???
Any idea ?
Best Regards
Adam
Did you see that the HWGC people are using their great youtube post to help us out?
.I didn't notice he blatantly re-uploaded my video until I re-read your comment and added his stamp mark all over it. Never even ask any permission. Requested YT to remove it. There's too many of them claiming to be HWGC. Thank you for informing.Hello,
I have got the 8.8.0 software version. But after re-install and import the parameter (calibration files backup), the language changes to chinese and there is no way to change it to english...???
Any idea ?
Best Regards
Adam
Did you see that the HWGC people are using their great youtube post to help us out?
Here the software 8.8.0 : https://1drv.ms/u/s!AlpDZk9rY8_xavWN6vaTOT1QKhM?e=FHBGX4
If you have language problem, so restart the software few times.
Dont import the calibration, it changes to Chinese again.
I have made a new calibration of the machine without an import of the calibration file.
Not too sure why you are sharing the software in public domain. It should be exclusive to machine owners.
public string getDeviceSerialCode()
{
ManagementClass managementClass = new ManagementClass("Win32_Processor");
ManagementObjectCollection instances = managementClass.GetInstances();
string text = null;
using (ManagementObjectCollection.ManagementObjectEnumerator managementObjectEnumerator = instances.GetEnumerator())
{
if (managementObjectEnumerator.MoveNext())
{
ManagementObject managementObject = (ManagementObject)managementObjectEnumerator.Current;
text = managementObject.Properties["ProcessorId"].Value.ToString();
}
}
managementClass = new ManagementClass("Win32_BaseBoard");
instances = managementClass.GetInstances();
string text2 = null;
using (ManagementObjectCollection.ManagementObjectEnumerator managementObjectEnumerator2 = instances.GetEnumerator())
{
if (managementObjectEnumerator2.MoveNext())
{
ManagementObject managementObject2 = (ManagementObject)managementObjectEnumerator2.Current;
text2 = managementObject2.Properties["SerialNumber"].Value.ToString();
}
}
managementClass = new ManagementClass("Win32_PhysicalMedia");
instances = managementClass.GetInstances();
string text3 = null;
using (ManagementObjectCollection.ManagementObjectEnumerator managementObjectEnumerator3 = instances.GetEnumerator())
{
if (managementObjectEnumerator3.MoveNext())
{
ManagementObject managementObject3 = (ManagementObject)managementObjectEnumerator3.Current;
text3 = managementObject3.Properties["SerialNumber"].Value.ToString();
}
}
managementClass = new ManagementClass("Win32_BIOS");
instances = managementClass.GetInstances();
string text4 = null;
using (ManagementObjectCollection.ManagementObjectEnumerator managementObjectEnumerator4 = instances.GetEnumerator())
{
if (managementObjectEnumerator4.MoveNext())
{
ManagementObject managementObject4 = (ManagementObject)managementObjectEnumerator4.Current;
text4 = managementObject4.Properties["SerialNumber"].Value.ToString();
}
}
return text + "-" + text2 + "-" + text3 + "-" + text4;
}
[DllImport("moon_boxes.dll", CallingConvention = CallingConvention.Cdecl)]
public static extern int moon_wind_checkget_software_state(ref byte ktime, ref byte is_h);
[DllImport("moon_boxes.dll", CallingConvention = CallingConvention.Cdecl)]
public static extern int moon_wind_set_key(string key, int size);
[DllImport("moon_boxes.dll", CallingConvention = CallingConvention.Cdecl)]
public static extern int moon_wind_get_key(ref byte key);
[DllImport("moon_boxes.dll", CallingConvention = CallingConvention.Cdecl)]
public static extern int moon_set_wind_devcode(string code, ref byte out_code, int size);
[DllImport("moon_boxes.dll", CallingConvention = CallingConvention.Cdecl)]
public static extern int moon_get_wind_devcode(ref byte out_code);Now, I am having issues with the main SMT placement program, it fails with a cant find moon_boxes.dll which is installed and located exactly where it should be.
Quick update: Still not running.
It took FOREVER to get Win7 64 to accept cd/dvd/usb drivers to actually install. Now, I am having issues with the main SMT placement program, it fails with a cant find moon_boxes.dll which is installed and located exactly where it should be. I also cant load pcie drivers because there is a signing error. I cant update the .net framework because it reports that the root certificate is bad yet I pulled this right off the MS website, and finally I cant get the fast cam driver from their link because apparently whatever they've created in the file is in violation of Google Drives terms of service and its inaccessible.
As for Jim, well, after saying they can no longer help and I should find someone in my own country, has stopped answering emails. I have begged for a clone image of a working drive and have offered to pay. Crickets.
Also to note, they seem to use an unregistered copy of windows and seem to have some work around that stops it asking for you to register it. Knowing this makes me a lot less resistant to someone copying and hacking their software.
At this point, I own a $13000, 5 month old, 450lb brick that is costing me money in lost production every single day. F 'em. Copy their damn software.
It's mind boggling that they don't provide support on this hard drive issue, especially since the machines are not old at all!
I was thinking about buying one of these machines to have on the side for some smaller runs, but now I'm leaning towards buying a Neoden K1830 instead.
Glad you didn't buy the Neoden 4. I've played with that machine for a while and it has a lot of issues, especially the feeders and software. However the K1830 looks a lot better but there is not that much information out there so hard to know for sure. What I can say about Neoden is that their support i excellent and spare parts will be provided in a speedy manner directly from them.Their official website (http://www.smthw.net/lang/en).
HWGC on the other hand seems to have excellent hardware that is proven (except hard disk drive ;) ). Software is not bad but not good, seems stable at least. What worries me is the reseller situation that brings low confidence with support and spares, and it seems to be the case with some resellers.
If I change my mind and still want to buy a HWGC machine, I would prefer to buy it straight from factory. However some people here on the forum says that the factory connection is just another reseller that have permission to use the HWGC name, whats your take on that?
Do HWGC have any homepage? Cant find it.
- 3x 8 mm electrical feeder
I bought from Beijing Glichn (they got it from HWGC I think) for $145 and Shenzhen Wenzhan Electronic on Alibaba for $165 (paid higher because I bought some larger pneumatic feeder for a lot less compared to other seller, so I didn't bother to do a separate purchase). I did managed to find the manufacturer of this electric feeder based on the company name on the feeder but they were selling at even higher price. I think it's a way to protect their reseller to international market. So, I'll just stick to that 2 reseller. No more buying 8 mm pneumatic. I think they are bang for bucks as they can do 0201, 0402 and others 4 mm pocket pitch components all on the same feeder. The tape advancing process is so smooth and gentle that I rarely have light components jumping out of the pocket anymore. And I love the fact that you lose 3 components only when swapping out the reel compared to 6 components on a pneumatic feeder.- 3x 8 mm electrical feeder
If this is not a secret, where did you buy them and what was the price per unit?
I bought from Beijing Glichn (they got it from HWGC I think) for $145 and Shenzhen Wenzhan Electronic on Alibaba for $165
Thank you!
I think the software is intuitive enough to use. Once you understand the flow of work, you moves pretty fast on setting up a project. At the time of writing this, works is already on the way on a totally new ground up software. Other than their software, I think ZhengBang's software is also very nice and intuitive to use. The rest in the market is so so only.
The tape advancing process is so smooth and gentle that I rarely have light components jumping out of the pocket anymore.
Unlike the pneumatic counterpart, it doesn't have a shutter that close and open. Instead the components are covered by a stagnant metal piece and only moves to the exposed area when advanced for picking. I can take a photo tomorrow if you need a clear image of that.
Last Saturday our machine arrived from the port of Santos, I was only able to put it in the correct room today.Is that their 2m with rail 8 stage oven?
I had to remove two doors and break the curb, but finally everything is in place. Tomorrow is to finish the electrical part and put the room doors back in again.
Last Saturday our machine arrived from the port of Santos, I was only able to put it in the correct room today.
I had to remove two doors and break the curb, but finally everything is in place. Tomorrow is to finish the electrical part and put the room doors back in again.
Unlike the pneumatic counterpart, it doesn't have a shutter that close and open. Instead the components are covered by a stagnant metal piece and only moves to the exposed area when advanced for picking. I can take a photo tomorrow if you need a clear image of that.
The lid seems more reliable. Does the smoothness of the move make the lid obsolete?
Yes, please post pictures if possible.
it would be slightly more fiddly but have you tried threading the cover tape through the same aperture the components are exposed in, that way you'd only uncover the one part you were about to pick instead of 3?Looks possible, I never thought of it. But, the metal edges looks sharp unlike the one intended which is rounded to avoid cutting the cover tape.
I'm really excited. My anxiety part keeps telling me to turn on the machine right away, the other part of my methodical part is checking everything, and everything else.
Today I did a free translation of the machine maintenance chapter into Portuguese. But I found it very incomplete. So our friends from this more experienced forum can contribute with preventive maintenance tips for PnP machine I will be grateful.
Later today I will take more pictures of the equipment.
About the oven: I chose one of six zones with 2600mm.
Below are parts of the maintenance manual
The lid is just a stagnant cover that presses the tape down.
I'm really excited. My anxiety part keeps telling me to turn on the machine right away, the other part of my methodical part is checking everything, and everything else.
Today I did a free translation of the machine maintenance chapter into Portuguese. But I found it very incomplete. So our friends from this more experienced forum can contribute with preventive maintenance tips for PnP machine I will be grateful.
Later today I will take more pictures of the equipment.
About the oven: I chose one of six zones with 2600mm.
Below are parts of the maintenance manual
I would be happy to create an online wiki so everyone can collaborate on this sort of thing if others are interested?
Need to set up a wiki for one of my products so will give me an excuse to work out the best way to do it.
For me is perfect.I help on the wiki
.For me is perfect.I help on the wiki
Started working on it here, https://hwgc.jogara.co.uk/ (temp domain)
.For me is perfect.I help on the wiki
Started working on it here, https://hwgc.jogara.co.uk/ (temp domain)
my topic suggestion for wiki
1) Prerequisites
2) Installation
3) First Steps
4) Configuration of PCB files
5) Setting up PCB panel.
6) Feeder configuration.
7) Production setup.
8) Setting up footprint
9) Calibration
10) Fault handling.
11) Cautions when updating
12) Corrective and preventive maintenance.
..For me is perfect.I help on the wiki
Started working on it here, https://hwgc.jogara.co.uk/ (temp domain)
my topic suggestion for wiki
1) Prerequisites
2) Installation
3) First Steps
4) Configuration of PCB files
5) Setting up PCB panel.
6) Feeder configuration.
7) Production setup.
8) Setting up footprint
9) Calibration
10) Fault handling.
11) Cautions when updating
12) Corrective and preventive maintenance.
I have started to fill out what I can though I don't have access to the machine so what I can do is limited.
https://hwgc.jogara.co.uk/en/software
Feel free to register and ping me a DM with your username. I will enable your account to add content.
Let me know what language to enable. Currently, there is English and Portuguese (Brazil).
To not fill this thread with loads of wiki talk, I have set up a Discord, https://discord.gg/xN8HmN9Tea
For those of you living in cold countries, be aware that if you leave the machine in a cold warehouse it will not run properly afterwards. I’m talking probably 10C or less. Had to open the side panel and use a heater.I think the parts used on the entire machine is not 100% industrial rated (-40 to +85 Degree Celsius). It probably applies to most machine bought in China.
Thank to all for the advices. Learning a lot. I plan to use the DU400 in my garage, at least for now. In preparation for the machine, I've installed 24K BTU minisplit heat pump in my garage (heating and cooling modes). I also build a good air treatment system as well, see attached pdf for those, who is interested.The DU400 is my favourite machine in their lineup. That extra 14 feeder against the 50F is really a good addition and of course that 20 mm maximum component height is very handy if you use a lot of electrolytic or tall connectors. Too bad I don't have the space for it. It would be perfect if it has 6 nozzle though. Although 4 nozzle is enough in most of my use cases but at times when you have 6, you get that extra speed (when it pick 6 components in 1 go) and also that room to allow nozzle size to match exactly the component sizes. For example, 0603 would work with both 503 and 504 but it's more accurate and consistent when used with 503, that's what I noticed. Or you have a larger components but you can only use 505 and so forth. I also notice from your earlier post you mentioned you bought 60 feeder and another 20 electric feeder? The DU400 runs completely on the Fuji NX electrical feeder? I'm sure pneumatic doesn't work on it.
The DU400 is my favourite machine in their lineup. That extra 14 feeder against the 50F is really a good addition and of course that 20 mm maximum component height is very handy if you use a lot of electrolytic or tall connectors. Too bad I don't have the space for it. It would be perfect if it has 6 nozzle though. Although 4 nozzle is enough in most of my use cases but at times when you have 6, you get that extra speed (when it pick 6 components in 1 go) and also that room to allow nozzle size to match exactly the component sizes. For example, 0603 would work with both 503 and 504 but it's more accurate and consistent when used with 503, that's what I noticed. Or you have a larger components but you can only use 505 and so forth. I also notice from your earlier post you mentioned you bought 60 feeder and another 20 electric feeder? The DU400 runs completely on the Fuji NX electrical feeder? I'm sure pneumatic doesn't work on it.Okay, I figured it out. The DU400 and DU800 runs on Yamaha pneumatic and electrical feeders just like the other models. Only the top range DSQ800 runs on Fuji NX electrical feeders. My bad. ;D But, this seems to be a good thing for anyone owning any of the smaller machine but wanted to upgrade or add another machine in the line to handle taller components or simply wanting to add more feeders. So, we can reuse the feeders!
The DU400 is my favourite machine in their lineup. That extra 14 feeder against the 50F is really a good addition and of course that 20 mm maximum component height is very handy if you use a lot of electrolytic or tall connectors. Too bad I don't have the space for it. It would be perfect if it has 6 nozzle though. Although 4 nozzle is enough in most of my use cases but at times when you have 6, you get that extra speed (when it pick 6 components in 1 go) and also that room to allow nozzle size to match exactly the component sizes. For example, 0603 would work with both 503 and 504 but it's more accurate and consistent when used with 503, that's what I noticed. Or you have a larger components but you can only use 505 and so forth. I also notice from your earlier post you mentioned you bought 60 feeder and another 20 electric feeder? The DU400 runs completely on the Fuji NX electrical feeder? I'm sure pneumatic doesn't work on it.Okay, I figured it out. The DU400 and DU800 runs on Yamaha pneumatic and electrical feeders just like the other models. Only the top range DSQ800 runs on Fuji NX electrical feeders. My bad. ;D But, this seems to be a good thing for anyone owning any of the smaller machine but wanted to upgrade or add another machine in the line to handle taller components or simply wanting to add more feeders. So, we can reuse the feeders!
Per Liu from Huawei, DU400 uses Yamaha feeders and DU800 uses NXT feedersNo, DU400 & DU800 uses Yamaha. Only the newest double 4-head DSQ800 uses Fuji NXT feeders.
Good to know, but here is direct quote from Liu: "[1/26, 17:00] Liu Jiangtao: No, DU400 used Yamaha feedersPer Liu from Huawei, DU400 uses Yamaha feeders and DU800 uses NXT feedersNo, DU400 & DU800 uses Yamaha. Only the newest double 4-head DSQ800 uses Fuji NXT feeders.
Just a little update to those, who are interested. Received DU400 machine today and sixty feeders. The machine came without electrical feeder support. Make yourself a favor. Buy directly from these guys:You should have read my post on my machine purchase. I gave warning about the electrical feeder somewhere on this thread and on my blog post. I had to give a picture with red color highlight of the electrical port when I bought it from Beijing Glichn. But, at least they are upfront on the base price comes without the electrical port. A few of the reseller ain't that honest and the way it was advertised it makes you think it's included. The company you bought from is actually a just reseller. The amount of wiring will make you think twice to add the wiring yourself but can be done.
Beijing Huawei Silkroad Electronic Technology Co. Ltd.
not from these people:
Beijing Huawei Guochuang Electronic Technology Co. Ltd.
Company names sound about the same, but these are two different companies. All DU400 machines are equipped with the electric feeder option from the second company and communication is straight forward. Avoid frustration and headache.
Good time of a day everyone. If someone remembers, please let me know what SSD capacity/size do these machines have (whant to buy the same or close SSD for cloning). I've read regarding dead SSD and want to create a clone of my SSD right at beginning to avoid issues in the future. Thank you in advance.Mine is 120gb but yours may be different, found it as used spare part on a second hand marketplace. Used Macrium to make a clone within the machine itself.
My DU400 has 120GB as well. Checked today.Good time of a day everyone. If someone remembers, please let me know what SSD capacity/size do these machines have (whant to buy the same or close SSD for cloning). I've read regarding dead SSD and want to create a clone of my SSD right at beginning to avoid issues in the future. Thank you in advance.Mine is 120gb but yours may be different, found it as used spare part on a second hand marketplace. Used Macrium to make a clone within the machine itself.
Hello to everyone! I have HGWC GP400 (aka T4SG_50F). On past week I`ve got message:Haven't encounter this issue yet. What is the software revision? Looks something like early v8.x.x. Probably there's some bugs.
"System have been blocked since illegal operation to modify system time!"
But I didnt touch any system settings...
And now I cant do anything with machine.
Cause it`s hollidays now in China I cant contact my sales manager. Perhaps someone has experienced something similar and knows how to bypass this block?
Thanks in advance!
The error message suggests they have put some code in that detects a system date&time change that someone might use to try and extend a trial/license period.Just got a reply from Liu. It looks like the license you have is a trial 3 month license. Please ask Beijing Glichn as you mentioned GP400 to provide you with a valid key for your machine.
This could be a bug, programmers messing up code involving dates is not exactly uncommon.
The other possibility is the system RTC has reset because of something as simple as a flat battery CMOS/clock battery, I don't have one of these systems but looking for a system settings/clock error at startup might be an indication as could a very incorrect system date time if one is shown elsewhere when it is running. Fixing the date/time could make the error go away and is something you could try/check before anything else. If that works or not depends on what the software did when it detected whatever it thinks it detected.
The error message suggests they have put some code in that detects a system date&time change that someone might use to try and extend a trial/license period.
This could be a bug, programmers messing up code involving dates is not exactly uncommon.
The other possibility is the system RTC has reset because of something as simple as a flat battery CMOS/clock battery, I don't have one of these systems but looking for a system settings/clock error at startup might be an indication as could a very incorrect system date time if one is shown elsewhere when it is running. Fixing the date/time could make the error go away and is something you could try/check before anything else. If that works or not depends on what the software did when it detected whatever it thinks it detected.
One question to those operating the machine: do you use a water separation device or an air drying device between compressor and machine?The feeder page has an "init angle", also probably the component library has this value
The feeder page has an "init angle", also probably the component library has this valueThis angle is only for the component orientation. And it doesn't work right.
When you insert the nozzle, make sure it is aligned to the direction you want (aka align to the MELF orientation). Tough but doable I believe. Got this advise from HWGC Shenzhen branch manager that actually runs a production line.The feeder page has an "init angle", also probably the component library has this valueThis angle is only for the component orientation. And it doesn't work right.
Have you seen the nozzle? They do not have a circular outlet. They more have like a rectangular outlet and that needs to be placed in the right angle. The problem is that the nozzles do not have a fixed angle. You can put them in the machine in any angle you like. So the machine does not no anything about the orientation of the nozzle. But it needs to do. And I was curious on how to set this up.
When you insert the nozzle, make sure it is aligned to the direction you want (aka align to the MELF orientation). Tough but doable I believe. Got this advise from HWGC Shenzhen branch manager that actually runs a production line.Thank you. Unfortunately I was expecting this. We should ask them to put this function into software.
I was thinking maybe bringing the nozzle over the camera and we set the zero degree angle after adjusting using the angle jog.When you insert the nozzle, make sure it is aligned to the direction you want (aka align to the MELF orientation). Tough but doable I believe. Got this advise from HWGC Shenzhen branch manager that actually runs a production line.Thank you. Unfortunately I was expecting this. We should ask them to put this function into software.
I was thinking maybe bringing the nozzle over the camera and we set the zero degree angle after adjusting using the angle jog.Something like that. The problem that may occur is that there is no endless rotation of the nozzle because of the vacuum connection. I will ask them to implement a function like that. And do some translation work because there are still so many menus or parts of it in Chinese.
Hello Everyone!I will do a video on this. But, in general, those value you found there is what they already calibrated and accounted for during their factory testing.
One question related to the calibration. Has anyone done the Mark camera calibration before? How should I do this? I have a hwgc hw t4 machine.
Thanks in advance! :)
After a whirlwind of things that happened in these two months, I finally managed to get back to my routines.Hope your kid is well now. It's tough time during this Covid era especially for kids. Mine got sick too during the CNY holiday.
In those two months, I went on vacation, I lost very dear people, my children got sick and despite everything our small assembly line ran surprisingly.
We have already recovered 22% of the invested capital and are adding an additional amount of capital to purchase complements to our smd line.
Responding to friends who helped me in this way.
@Jackster - I'll go from the sequel on your wiki.
@48X24X48X - Do you have plans to come to Brazil? I have to pay you the tickets, you helped me a lot.
Has anyone an english version of the part library? Mine is partly chinese and a lot of components/packages are missing.Are you sure they are in Chinese? It's just some standard package in the conventional package naming scheme? Maybe 1-2 are in Chinese but not a deal breaker.
Are you sure they are in Chinese? It's just some standard package in the conventional package naming scheme? Maybe 1-2 are in Chinese but not a deal breaker.You are right, only the categories are in Chinese. I will try to rename them.
I have since extended the library for parts not inside the library by duplicating the existing ones and used some of the more common parameters.
I have also group them by type so it's easier to see.
Is there a place to share the parts/components data?
I don't think there's much point in sharing one's library because you have your own setup which covers many aspect like speed, whether or not you follow the manufacturer orientation on reel, nozzle size preference, LED exposure and many more other stuff that I believe depends very much on one's personal preferences on how you run your machine. Of course there's some guidelines but that is probably already covered by the default library. Using someone's else library would also mean you might get surprises that you don't expect. It's akin to drawing your own footprint compared to say simply downloading something from public domain. Right now, I don't even follow the setup from the default library and tweaked them to my own liking.I partially disagree. There are a lot of parameters that are universal to every user, like size and height and nozzle type. There are so many packages missing for ICs that it takes quite a while to fill them in. And my machine sits on the ground and is not connected to the internet. So I need to kneel beside it and run another computer/laptop to find the parameters and fill them in. It would be easier to do this on my desktop with all the data availlable.
I partially disagree. There are a lot of parameters that are universal to every user, like size and height and nozzle type. There are so many packages missing for ICs that it takes quite a while to fill them in. And my machine sits on the ground and is not connected to the internet. So I need to kneel beside it and run another computer/laptop to find the parameters and fill them in. It would be easier to do this on my desktop with all the data availlable.Even when it comes to jelly beans item like capacitor, there are variations in height for example let alone other type of IC packages. For me, I treat them just like how I treat PCB footprint library. I would only use the ones I draw from scratch because I know exactly important aspects such as limitation of the PCB manufacturing I'm using.
I will look at the data format and check if there is a way to manage the packages outside the machine and reload it.
And for filling in the data requires some effort it could be usefull to share it with others.
Even when it comes to jelly beans item like capacitor, there are variations in height for example let alone other type of IC packages. For me, I treat them just like how I treat PCB footprint library. I would only use the ones I draw from scratch because I know exactly important aspects such as limitation of the PCB manufacturing I'm using.Thanks for the design. I will care about the table/stand when I move to my new office. I am thinking about something more solid to reduce the impact of the moving head.
You should get a proper table made, you will appreciate it in the long run. I made mine from a Taobao welding service for $200 sea shipped to Malaysia. The table design was given by HWGC but I chopped off the bottom leg from the design and replaced them with castor wheel of similar height to provide a better stability which was recommended by the welder. The table weighed about 60 kg.
I found an easier way. I will install the software on a VM. The footprint lab works without the machine connected.I have seen their TikTok's video on this offline footprint library editing way before the software was released but I have never done that because my machine is easily accessed.
Does anyone here uses a wireless keyboard and mouse combo on the machine? I used the MK240 from Logitech and the metal keyboard and mouse holder area seems to be making the reception bad and disjoint at times. I thought of replacing them with other model but wouldn't want to get another if it's behaving the same. I already have a stash of unused wired keyboard. The reason of using a combo would mean another USB port is free for thumb drive transferring files.Maybe you could find an extension cable for the usb dongle so you can stick it closer to mouse and keyboard. They where common some 20 years ago ;)
Hi there, let’s talk feeders. Some people have expressed their preference for electric over pneumatic feeders. But what exactly are the advantages?Pros:
I recall reading that they have smoother movement and adjustable component distance (one or two holes). What else? Is it mostly critical for light small components? For 0603 resistors or LEDs, why should I prefer electric feeders? And is there any disadvantage when mixing pneumatic and electric?
[...]I assume this post is valid for the Yamaha feeders on the pre-2021 models, i.e. HW-T8-80-F/SMT880. I like to know how this translates to the newer machines with Fuji NXT feeders. I assume the advantages are the same (smoother, variable step settings, quieter). But how about: Are the NXT feeders also pneumatically activated? Are those 'smart' feeders, i.e. does the feeder know which part is loaded, how many have been placed and communicates this with the PnP machine?
They are purely electrical and actuated by electric signals. But, I'm not sure if there's a communication on that or purely a trigger signal. There's no pneumatic holes on the feeder slot. Other than that, it requires a reels rack to hold the component reels. I think these are preferred as it is easier to splice tape on the fly. And lastly, they are more expensive than the Yamaha electrical feeder.[...]I assume this post is valid for the Yamaha feeders on the pre-2021 models, i.e. HW-T8-80-F/SMT880. I like to know how this translates to the newer machines with Fuji NXT feeders. I assume the advantages are the same (smoother, variable step settings, quieter). But how about: Are the NXT feeders also pneumatically activated? Are those 'smart' feeders, i.e. does the feeder know which part is loaded, how many have been placed and communicates this with the PnP machine?
I searched to get some more info on the NXT feeders and found that there are three generations that seem to be interchangeable but could not find much more..
I encountered a strange behavior in one of my boards lately. Parts with a rotation of -179.xx are not rotated correctly. There are only rotated like -150 degrees. When I change rotation to 0.xx degrees (only an option for Rs and Cs) it works perfectly. Any idea what can cause this?Very likely related to the vision settings which I believe could have been unintentionally changed probably due to software upgrade?
Very likely related to the vision settings which I believe could have been unintentionally changed probably due to software upgrade?I checked radius, threshold and placement height several times. They are fine. As I said, 0.xx degrees work perfectly. All those wrongly placed parts have in common, that they are rotateted to -179.xx degrees. When I change rotation on Rs and Cs to 0.xx degrees everything is fine. It looks like there is a limitation to the rotation? It should not happen as the nozzels can rotate endlessly. And it happened to 0603 too. But only this board. And not related to one specific nozzle. I have to check further ...
Usually, it can due to:
- The radius of scan is smaller than the components
- The threshold has been set wrong
They tend to have over writing default setting when new version comes out. The new version also probably has the LED diffuser attached to the camera which they "might" tested it with the new software and hence maybe adjustment to the settings? This is just my assumption.
What version is the software? I have yet to install the 8.8.7_T39.Very likely related to the vision settings which I believe could have been unintentionally changed probably due to software upgrade?I checked radius, threshold and placement height several times. They are fine. As I said, 0.xx degrees work perfectly. All those wrongly placed parts have in common, that they are rotateted to -179.xx degrees. When I change rotation on Rs and Cs to 0.xx degrees everything is fine. It looks like there is a limitation to the rotation? It should not happen as the nozzels can rotate endlessly. And it happened to 0603 too. But only this board. And not related to one specific nozzle. I have to check further ...
Usually, it can due to:
- The radius of scan is smaller than the components
- The threshold has been set wrong
They tend to have over writing default setting when new version comes out. The new version also probably has the LED diffuser attached to the camera which they "might" tested it with the new software and hence maybe adjustment to the settings? This is just my assumption.
Hi. First post here. This thread is great! Thanks to everyone for sharing your knowledge.
Does anyone have some general tips for setting up the high-def camera. I have a tqfp64 chip that I can't get to place properly. It always gets shifted or rotated slightly. The best placement comes when I don't use the camera at all. But it is still off a bit and I need to nudge it which sometimes leads to solder bridges.
Hi. First post here. This thread is great! Thanks to everyone for sharing your knowledge.Make sure your radius is adequate. Adjust the threshold value to a value where when you open up the vision test window to observe at the x & y & angle dimension measured, these values are updated every second of so, ensure the deviation of the dimension value to value should be very tiny. Use the threshold and adjust until the value deviation is the least, doesn't jump around with high deviation and closest to your physical dimension. If, it's a 10x10 mm TQFP, make sure it's close to that. On top of that, make sure the IC height is correctly entered.
Does anyone have some general tips for setting up the high-def camera. I have a tqfp64 chip that I can't get to place properly. It always gets shifted or rotated slightly. The best placement comes when I don't use the camera at all. But it is still off a bit and I need to nudge it which sometimes leads to solder bridges.
Actually, if you want, they can sell you one, which looks likeThere's plenty of these on Taobao for RMB600. Prices on Aliexpress is a lot more than that though.
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Actually, if you want, they can sell you one, which looks likeThere's plenty of these on Taobao for RMB600. Prices on Aliexpress is a lot more than that though.
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Has anyone purchased these machines from eBay? I've been looking at a few listings (ex https://www.ebay.com/itm/313260134355 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/313260134355)) and they say things like "Stock in USA" and free shipping, but I'm sure it can't be that easy...
YX list stuff in Europe as well on AliExpress but it is always weeks until they can ship so I doubt.
YX list stuff in Europe as well on AliExpress but it is always weeks until they can ship so I doubt.
I'm not super worried about shipping time, more just that I'll make the order and get surprised with like $3,000 in additional costs that were not listed anywhere.
It's also quite odd because the delivery estimate is quite optimistic, and if I remember right you only have 30 days after the expected delivery date to open a case with eBay.
HelloHow did you specifically unhook the component? Doing so from the pcb list by unchecking the mount tick box is the easiest
I have a SMT550. There are some problems with the software. Now I have the problem, I assembled a printed circuit board and one component was missing. They unhook the component and he assembled it without a component. Which is also correct.
Now I have received the component and put the hook back in, BUT it no longer assembled this component.
What can be the problem?
HelloHello Stefan,
I have a SMT550. There are some problems with the software. Now I have the problem, I assembled a printed circuit board and one component was missing. They unhook the component and he assembled it without a component. Which is also correct.
Now I have received the component and put the hook back in, BUT it no longer assembled this component.
What can be the problem?
HelloHello Stefan,
I have a SMT550. There are some problems with the software. Now I have the problem, I assembled a printed circuit board and one component was missing. They unhook the component and he assembled it without a component. Which is also correct.
Now I have received the component and put the hook back in, BUT it no longer assembled this component.
What can be the problem?
this sometimes happens when the software shifts the part to group 0. You have to get it out of group 0 by adding it to another group.
Sort the parts by group after inboard check chips and then select the part in group 0. Now you can move it to another group using right mouse button.
Jan
I made another project for one feeder. on the machine ok, the test does not pass correctly https://youtu.be/4yCiSGUNQnE
good day! Became the owner of this equipment. I need help. chip SMT Test is not working correctly for me. he puts the element behind the board field. although in automatic mode everything is ok. what it could be. Sorry for my English. :) https://youtu.be/dVQElVn57pg (https://youtu.be/dVQElVn57pg)
And who knows how to get into the service menu ? password ?
As some dialog are in chinese I thought maybe it would be a good idea to update the machine and test newer software. Unfortunately I updated the machine to version 8.8.7 T84 and I could not assign feeders anymore and it also had problems with image recognition of a new defined part.
I also have read that license is limited to 1'000'000 parts assembling, not sure if that is true. Did anybody hit that limit yet?
Thus, today I will try to downgrade again to T39, T46 or T48 and check. Hopefully one will work. Is there any version you can recommend that is stable and major enough?
Is there anybody who has been working with openpnp 2.0? I have now ordered one machine with electrical feed mods at https://www.afarco.vn/ (https://www.afarco.vn/) for testing openpnp 2.0.
How is the software compared to chinese software? Is there any chance to get the HWGC machine running with openpnp 2.0? Manufacturer does not seem to be interested in it. Is anybody willing to make that journey to openpnp 2.0 with me?
Good afternoon colleagues. there is a problem with the high component. how can the problem be solved?
https://youtu.be/XW7BK2seicg?si=qfKxqsKr2K4WXgP4 (https://youtu.be/XW7BK2seicg?si=qfKxqsKr2K4WXgP4)
Is there anybody who has been working with openpnp 2.0?
Yes, exactly. But there are always attempts to do so and many who don't want to recognize the production level. :phew:
My machine arrived on Monday! Here is a little photo dump.
Overall, the machine arrived in great condition. A few marks here and there. 2 large holes in the pallet that Pallet Force placed shipping labels over :palm:
Already got it up and running. Looks to be working well. Not picked any components yet though. Will be doing that next week.
(https://i.postimg.cc/3NhdBLKc/IMG20220516172029.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gXMzcHLV)
Hi All,
I've been following this chat group for over a year now, and decided to purchase a HW-T4-44F from HWGC, and have produced 2k good boards in the last month or so. Honestly speaking, I'm very well impressed with the technology offered in this machine for the price (a best value, no doubt).
However, suddenly my hard drive got damaged out of the blue (Windows 10 did not boot) and now I am in a hurry to get it fixed so I can finish an urgent shipment. Having said that, I just got a new hard drive from HWGC, got the machine's software installed and registered (license key), and now the machine is working (at least it is alive), but it is placing components all over the place, so I assume it needs to recalibrate everything (nozzles & all cameras) before running production again, but the HWGC guys are now in Chinese New Year break so, the tech support will be extremely limited until 2/28. The perfect storm for me.
So, I decided to give it a try on my own and tried several times to calibrate the cameras following the steps shown in their software, but something is not working well (or I may be doing wrong).
So please, if you have either (1) the nozzles & cameras calibration procedures, and/or (2) a way to make the original hard drive run / repaired (like using a Win 10 bootable USB drive to boot and repair the original hard drive, or any other method), PLEASE SEND IT OVER... I am open to try anything that can get the machine back in business ASAP. :horse:
Thanks a lot for your time guys.
This sounds promising .
How does the machine compensate for runout of the nozzles ? Low cost Juki 502 nozzles can have bad runout, leading to bad pickup of 0402. Does the software do a runout compensation ?
When I had my own PNP SW working on my Kayos, I had to compensate the runout and the code knew exactly what the runout was (of course it can know the total rotation angle and compensate ).
Good afternoon colleagues. there is a problem with the high component. how can the problem be solved?
https://youtu.be/XW7BK2seicg?si=qfKxqsKr2K4WXgP4 (https://youtu.be/XW7BK2seicg?si=qfKxqsKr2K4WXgP4)
Hello,
is it possible to fit a part of a PCB panel. For example, panel 2x3, and one PCB is faulty, we want place only the good PCBs ?
Best Regards
Adam
Hello,
can you me help to create a PCB Array. in the manual is this false. I have the smt550.
i will make 2 PCB in X (next to each other). in the software comes always "cannot Edit" when i will GEN PCB.
what are the instructions?
first from the first pcb to a fiducial and than the second pcb to the same fiducial?and than generate?
this has no function. always "cannot edit"
when i make on the plate a IC is this not a problem. but the fuction to make a pcb array is very difficult.
Regards
Stefan
Hello,I think I have this panel instruction in my videos. Check them out.
can you me help to create a PCB Array. in the manual is this false. I have the smt550.
i will make 2 PCB in X (next to each other). in the software comes always "cannot Edit" when i will GEN PCB.
what are the instructions?
first from the first pcb to a fiducial and than the second pcb to the same fiducial?and than generate?
this has no function. always "cannot edit"
when i make on the plate a IC is this not a problem. but the fuction to make a pcb array is very difficult.
Regards
Stefan
Good afternoon, colleagues! the SSD died on the t63. changed, everything was set up. The smd test is taking place. but all positions are in error. Who knows where to dig?
I have the T80 and T64 models. In the T64 model, the design of the 5.6 nozzle has been changed. now you can install large components. but you also need to move the trash to another location. How do I set this up?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n3zRr_8AjI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n3zRr_8AjI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAFzT2lAkYw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAFzT2lAkYw)
Can these machines be seperated into two parts (upper and lower) to move them through a door? On the photos there is a horizontal line underneath the feeders. It looks like this is where a "foot" connects to the main machine. Is that the case or am I mistaken?
I am interested in the T64F / SMT660 model, but I'd have to move it through a 86cm wide door and I'm not sure if that's possible.
I have the T80 and T64 models. In the T64 model, the design of the 5.6 nozzle has been changed. now you can install large components. but you also need to move the trash to another location. How do I set this up?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAFzT2lAkYw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAFzT2lAkYw)
No. I redid the last two nozzles myself. now I can take high components. but they should be placed last in the list and in a certain order.
can you tell me which electric feeder is suitable for our machines? 8mm desk number ? suppliers?