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HWGC P&P machines - Documentation, Discussion and Info
Jackster:
This is a topic for the documentation and discussion on HWGC P&P machines.
These machines are made by a single company but are rebadged and sold by resellers to the outside of China market.
I have documented the spec of the machines along with pricing info below.
Links are more up-to-date than screenshots.
Discord Server
https://discord.gg/p47Ak28EsA
Spec and machine price
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1o59ew0r3EL1JKFsNjkMwd5DyvhckeIeWCILkPt-afos/edit?usp=drivesdk
Documentation and other files
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1V7BzhfgAOhGsFFIn-jTZzGSy_frviEoD?usp=sharing
Official Website/Store
http://www.smthw.net/lang/en
https://zghwgc.en.alibaba.com/
The AliExpress re-sellers listed below all give out free feeders for each machine.
YX AliExpress listing with free to port shipping
SMT880-X https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AZTf2G
SMT880-S https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AfZiKY
SMT880 https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_ACmVf2
SMT660 https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_A9WhY4
SMT550 https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AtQIac
SMT460S https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AMOHrS
SMT380 https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_99jDnC
HUAWEIGUOCHUANG SMT AliExpress listing with free shipping
HW-DSQ800-120F https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AfQ41W
HW-T8SG-80F https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AVBle4
HW-T6SG-64F https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_9yuZMu
HW-T4SG-50F https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AlPooy
YX accessories:
Stencil Printer https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AsXYNK
Semi-automatic Stencil Printer https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AWjTWg
Reflow Oven https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_A3AASU
HUAWEIGUOCHUANG SMT accessories:
Stencil Printer 240*300MM https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AY2ITa
Stencil Printer 320*440MM https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_99TML2
Stencil Printer 420*600MM https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AEioNO
Semi-automatic Stencil Printer https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_9voazI
Reflow Oven 6 zone 1M https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_9hhmvW
Reflow Oven 12 zone 2M https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AL9YuM
Alibaba resellers
Beijing Huawei Silkroad Electronic Technology Co. https://zghwgc.en.alibaba.com/
Wenzhou Yingxing Technology Co. https://wzyxing.en.alibaba.com/
Accessories
Yamaha Feeder Trolly https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AlPG00
JUKI nozzles https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AtpCLW
Solder Paste Mixer https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AboEMC
Feeders
The pre-2021 models use the classic Yamaha CL system. They are plentiful and easy to get a hold of.
I was able to pick up around 140 feeders, granted mostly 8mm, for around $3,900. eBay is great for this sort of thing.
The 8mm feeder comes in 3 types;
-2mm pitch 0201 High precision
-2mm pitch 0402 Normal precision
-4mm pitch Standard precision 0603 and up
The newer machines use NXT electric feeders. Apparently can be had for around the same price as Yamaha CL electrics?
Both Beijing Huawei and YX both offer around 40 pneumatic and 15 electric feeders free with their pre-2021 machines on Alibaba and sell feeders at the following prices;
8mm $65
12mm $80
16mm $80
24mm $250
32mm $450
44mm $580
Neoden feeders start at $50.
Software
Thanks to a user on this forum for uploading a copy of the software. We now all have access to it to see what it is like.
https://github.com/HWGC-P-P/
I have created a Wiki of sorts to document the hardware and software findings.
https://github.com/HWGC-P-P/Wiki/blob/main/README.md
[Original post]
Seen a couple people on this forum who own YX P&P machines and was wondering if anyone else had it or has the smaller models and can provide feedback?
Just received a quote for an SMT880 and it is a good price with all the free feeders they are including right now.
Not looking to get it tomorrow but hopefully in a couple months time.
My main issue with these sorts of machines is the user interface. Most of the time the actual build of the machine is fine and does what it needs to do but the software lets it down.
How has the SMT880 and SMT660 software been?
What is YX's support like?
If you have had a hardware issue, what was it and how did they deal with it in terms of warranty?
I have attached some documents about the SMT880. Hopefully, we can share some more info about this machine?
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1V7BzhfgAOhGsFFIn-jTZzGSy_frviEoD?usp=sharing
JMG:
I am in the process of buying an SMT550 right now. It has not been going well. The ad said 50 feeders,but they are only sending 15 and I had to buy 15 more at near $1000. I was charged $60 for it to be 110V too.
I'll let you know how it goes from here.
Reckless:
I almost pulled the trigger on one a few years ago. It was running same price as a used name brand machine so I opted for established brand. I like to believe china will sort out software issues someday but I keep reminding myself thats wishful thinking. Name brand units are hard to learn on but once you learn the ideosynchracies they are super reliable. Somehow I had zero trust that the SMT660 would work 1-2 years later.
JMG:
You cant touch a decent condition name brand machine with all the options and features these machines have for near the same price. My personal choices where this or a 14 year old Samsung for double the price. A big reason I went with the SMT550 was that there are users on this forum that have had decent luck with the brand and say that customer support is not bad. If it lasts 3 years, I'm good, and ~$9K over that time isnt bad. It'll pay for itself in less than a year and I'll need something far more significant then if my company keeps growing at this rate.
Its on a boat, should be in LA in about 2 weeks, then on to Chicago, eta 29th May. Probably trailer it back 1st week of June.
Reckless:
All of my machines have been well under $9k with feeders, tons of spares and I have had 20+ pick place machines in last 2.5 years. Jukis, samsungs, universals, assembleon/yamaha, fuji. If you are anywhere near chicago I'd love to stop by to see when you get her up and running. I want to fall in love with these chinese machines but hard to appreciate once you have gotten used to super industrial machines. We prefer chip shooters as we need 35k+ cph.
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