JLCMC

[tszaboo]

I saw that JLCPCB was going to sell mechanical parts on their website, so I thought:
Cool, I need some nuts and bolts for something anyway. Prices were reasonable, I was going to order from JLC anyway, let's add them to the basket.
They cannot be shipped or ordered together. Shipping option for mechanical parts:
   DHL Express Worldwide 2-4 business days
   Global Direct Line Saver 12-14 business days
   DHL Express Priority (DDP) 2-4 business days
Ok, for sure global direct line is going to be the cheapest. Here is how my basket looks like during checkout:
    Merchandise Total: 1.61
    Shipping Estimate: 13.46
    Customs duties & taxes: 3.17
    Grand Total: 18.24
I don't think they are going to get too much business from me this way.

Rant: Also EU strikes again, placing import duty on shipping cost.
Also, DHL cost calculation, if you let those leeches handle import tax: Add 14.5 EUR administrative cost (for a damn automated computer software), calculate import duty on all these, then add VAT on top of this.

[Jackster]

£12 for a hand reel, shipped.
The same handle here is around £25-30.

[tszaboo]

Maybe it makes sense if you have to order a pallet full of parts. Or my shopping example of 40 bolts costing 1 cents each is a very bad example.
They seem to have some 3D printer frames made from extruded Aluminium frames. The frames themselves are very cheap for the meters of alu they use. I wonder if they do it themselves or they buy it somewhere else. And if they do it themselves, than if they will offer custom cut, milled, tapped alu parts as a service, that could be very interesting.

[Whales]

Same with LCSC.  They don't show shipping costs until after it's in the cart and they provide no indication of weight (or how their calc shipping) anywhere.  For metal parts it's often much more than what you're paying for the items themselves.

This is a big shame, otherwise their screws would be really nice and convenient.

[exe]

Rant: Also EU strikes again, placing import duty on shipping cost.

Oh, I missed that, do you have a link?

[tszaboo]

Rant: Also EU strikes again, placing import duty on shipping cost.

Oh, I missed that, do you have a link?

Sure, from our own gvmt:
https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/en/customs/content/additional-customs-fees

You buy a bag for €199 from an online shop in the UK. The import duty for this bag is 3%.
The shipping costs are €25.The insurance costs are €10.
You calculate the import duty on €199 + €25 + €10 = €234.
The import duty is 3% of €234 = €7.02.
You calculate the VAT on €199 + €25 + €10 + €7.02 = €241.02.
The VAT payable is then 21% of €241.02 = €50.61.
You will therefore pay customs charges: €7.02 + €50.61 = €57.63.

How is tax on tax legal? Nobody knows.

[thm_w]

Yes they got rid of the combined shipping a while ago, I don't know why they leave everything together, maybe they are trying to add it back at some point.

Shipping cost to Canada is $20 8 days or $26 with DHL.
Its not great but, mcmaster charges $20-40 to ship the same items, and their part prices are going to be far higher.

Its interesting that they've gone to the trouble to put their own branding on stuff: https://jlcmc.com/productdetail/C15/BCTC-S6-P-609ZZ
If they can provide at least consistent quality bearings, even if a bit low, there is value to that.

[Jackster]

I don't know why they leave everything together, maybe they are trying to add it back at some point.

It is a logistical nightmare to do when you have warehouses/factories all over the place.
Normally you go from the warehouse to shipping and the courier picks it up. With combined, you have an extra step of going from warehouse to shipping, to another shipping and then courier.
All while waiting for 2 or more goods to arrive at the same location and find themselves together.

Not only that, you could order 20KG of PCB and then a really light component? If shipped together, like in the same box, then that light component will be at risk of damage. So at best you are getting 2 packages in 1 consignment.

And for what. Save the customer a few bucks? It costs more than the saving for the supplier. There is no gain for them.

[thm_w]

It is a logistical nightmare to do when you have warehouses/factories all over the place.
Normally you go from the warehouse to shipping and the courier picks it up. With combined, you have an extra step of going from warehouse to shipping, to another shipping and then courier.
All while waiting for 2 or more goods to arrive at the same location and find themselves together.

Not only that, you could order 20KG of PCB and then a really light component? If shipped together, like in the same box, then that light component will be at risk of damage. So at best you are getting 2 packages in 1 consignment.

And for what. Save the customer a few bucks? It costs more than the saving for the supplier. There is no gain for them.

Yeah, so I don't know why they keep integrating it on the same checkout page. I guess just to make sure you know their other offers exist.

Anyway, even though it is a nightmare, somehow aliexpress is able and willing to do it. I have no idea how they coordinate 5+ shipments from 5+ different suppliers into one packet.

[Whales]

With Alix it probably works because the package merge ratio is higher.   5 or more packages domestic -> 1 package international, instead of 2 packages domestic -> 1 package international.

Also everyone involved with Alix is probably more tolerant of bad and slow shipping.  JLCPCB customers are more likely to keep their eyeballs glued to the tracking and days elapsed.

[tooki]

Rant: Also EU strikes again, placing import duty on shipping cost.

Oh, I missed that, do you have a link?

Sure, from our own gvmt:
https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/en/customs/content/additional-customs-fees

You buy a bag for €199 from an online shop in the UK. The import duty for this bag is 3%.
The shipping costs are €25.The insurance costs are €10.
You calculate the import duty on €199 + €25 + €10 = €234.
The import duty is 3% of €234 = €7.02.
You calculate the VAT on €199 + €25 + €10 + €7.02 = €241.02.
The VAT payable is then 21% of €241.02 = €50.61.
You will therefore pay customs charges: €7.02 + €50.61 = €57.63.

How is tax on tax legal? Nobody knows.

Because duty and tax aren’t the same thing. Yes, they’re both costs on the bottom line. But they’re not the same thing.
Duty is essentially “artificial cost” added to disadvantage imported products, so as to advantage domestic ones.
Tax is tax.

[Jackster]

Yeah, so I don't know why they keep integrating it on the same checkout page. I guess just to make sure you know their other offers exist.

Anyway, even though it is a nightmare, somehow aliexpress is able and willing to do it. I have no idea how they coordinate 5+ shipments from 5+ different suppliers into one packet.

I think it works for them because they just combine it all into a single bag without care for what is in them 

That and they do the first leg of logistics as well afaik.