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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #775 on: November 09, 2024, 03:51:18 am »
Art, have you considered farming spiders for the silk?
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #776 on: November 09, 2024, 04:05:57 am »
Art, have you considered farming spiders for the silk?

Yes.  It gets really weird really quickly though.  I thought I'd hang them from buildings so they descend and I then reel in the thread after or something.  Anyways, feeding them and raising them and farming their silk would be SUPER weird.  As much as I may go low level-ish, that is not really my full aim any more than necessary.  I'm using fishing line others made.  I'm using motors others made.  I'm using chips others made etc.  I'm building on their backs.  I don't feel the need to farm spider silk. 

Also I feel like farming spider silk would somehow feel abusive of spiders.  And creepy and weird. 
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #777 on: November 09, 2024, 04:07:25 am »
How about dollar-store parts for the pulleys? Are you making these by hand?

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #778 on: November 09, 2024, 04:59:38 am »
Nah I want noise, I don't want the damn thing sneaking up on me from behind.

 

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #779 on: November 09, 2024, 05:01:59 am »
Art, have you considered farming spiders for the silk?

Yes.  It gets really weird really quickly though.  I thought I'd hang them from buildings so they descend and I then reel in the thread after or something.  Anyways, feeding them and raising them and farming their silk would be SUPER weird.  As much as I may go low level-ish, that is not really my full aim any more than necessary.  I'm using fishing line others made.  I'm using motors others made.  I'm using chips others made etc.  I'm building on their backs.  I don't feel the need to farm spider silk. 

Also I feel like farming spider silk would somehow feel abusive of spiders.  And creepy and weird.
If you want to milk spiders, watch this video for some ideas:


 

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #780 on: November 09, 2024, 07:59:58 am »
alex i don't find the disc making to be an issue and they have to be extremely precision made to the exact diameter I need withing .2mm accuracy.  So those likely won't work but thanks for trying to contribute.

that spider milking video was awesome!  I can't beleive someone did what I thought about doing one time!  I thought I was crazy to even think about it because it seemed so absurd and this guy actually DID IT!  He's my hero now!

I request everyone who can do so to immediately drop all of your other projects and start milking spiders for my robots.  This is clearly the best use of your time going forward.  Let me know when you have a bolt done.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #781 on: November 09, 2024, 08:06:22 am »
waaaaiiiitttt I just finished up the back half of the video and that spider string SUCKED!  It's like thicker than my thickest PE braided fishing line which is like 300lb test and it couldn't even be tuned to play the E notes on a guitar without breaking!  And here I read it is the strongest thing on earth.  WTH!?  It was not strong at all!  Hoax?  I'm confused here.

You know, this really goes to show you that no matter what theory says you gotta put things to the test. 

Which reminds me, when I speak to my designs being perfect, I refer to theoretically perfect, nothing stands out that could go wrong obviously or rather necessarily.  When you put them to the test that can prove the theory was wrong, but the theory before being proven wrong seems perfect.  Hope that clarifies.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #782 on: November 09, 2024, 08:12:59 am »
waaaaiiiitttt I just finished up the back half of the video and that spider string SUCKED!  It's like thicker than my thickest PE braided fishing line which is like 300lb test and it couldn't even be tuned to play the E notes on a guitar without breaking!  And here I read it is the strongest thing on earth.  WTH!?  It was not strong at all!  Hoax?  I'm confused here.
Mythbusters Jr. also performed a similar experiment with spider silk, though not on a guitar:



 

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #783 on: November 09, 2024, 10:56:58 am »
As far as a silent operating robot (no metal gears) sneaking up behind you, being a concern, I have this to say:  only a trash programmer would create a robot where it sneaking up behind you would be a concern.  A great programmer would create a robot that would not be a threat in this manner.  I consider myself to fall into the latter category.  AI that is a safety concern would be AI developed by trash programmers. 
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #784 on: November 09, 2024, 12:07:35 pm »
I am not concerned at all about your robot ever sneaking up on anyone from behind.
 
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #785 on: November 09, 2024, 12:30:04 pm »
As far as a silent operating robot (no metal gears) sneaking up behind you, being a concern, I have this to say:  only a trash programmer would create a robot where it sneaking up behind you would be a concern.  A great programmer would create a robot that would not be a threat in this manner.  I consider myself to fall into the latter category.  AI that is a safety concern would be AI developed by trash programmers.

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A great programmer would create a robot that would not be a threat in this manner.  I consider myself to fall into the latter category.

What courses did you take and what degree did you obtain to become a "great programmer"?

What type of companies did you work for to get this skill in the workforce?

If you are self-taught, what books have you read and what did you study on your own?

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What software have you written that is more complex than a = b + c; , that works flawlessly, and that you can show us working that would back up this claim?

How did you come to call yourself a "Great Programmer" in your own mind?

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #786 on: November 09, 2024, 01:35:36 pm »
As far as a silent operating robot (no metal gears) sneaking up behind you, being a concern, I have this to say:  only a trash programmer would create a robot where it sneaking up behind you would be a concern.  A great programmer would create a robot that would not be a threat in this manner.  I consider myself to fall into the latter category.  AI that is a safety concern would be AI developed by trash programmers. 

I have read a study about drunk driving. At the beginning blood alcohol levels and accident rate is directly proportional. But at some point it becomes inversely proportional, meaning that the accident rate starts to fall at increasing intoxication levels. Why? Cause at that point drivers have problems to even unlock a car or start an engine. Or they fall asleep immediately after starting an engine. Or before reaching a car. Or they forget that they have car at all.

Incompetence and danger has a similar relationship. When incompetence is as high as it is, we don't need to worry about anything going wrong. Simply because nothing will be going at all.

So no, I'm not worried about your sneaking robot.
 
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #787 on: November 09, 2024, 01:45:57 pm »
Because OP is building a sex robot, the robot sneaking behind its creator is not a bug, it is a feature.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #788 on: November 09, 2024, 01:49:53 pm »
A real scientist is usually humble when talking to others because he doesn't need to prove them anything by words. He knows that his works speak instead.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #789 on: November 09, 2024, 03:14:22 pm »
extremely precision made to the exact diameter I need withing .2mm accuracy. 

LOL .2mm is "extreme accuracy" to you? Go measure a box of mass-produced sequins and get back to us...
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #790 on: November 10, 2024, 12:24:47 am »

What courses did you take and what degree did you obtain to become a "great programmer"?

What type of companies did you work for to get this skill in the workforce?

If you are self-taught, what books have you read and what did you study on your own?


Great programmer in this context is defined as having enough insight and common sense to see that LLMs, neural networks, deep learning, machine learning etc are all trash and that rules based AI, good old fashioned AI, symbolic AI, expert systems AI is the only reasonable way to do AI. 

The latter you have complete control of outputs and no surprises and no black boxes.  The former and you have shooting into the wind with exclusively black boxes and hoping it does what you want but really just crossing your fingers.  The former would lead nobody to being concerned about AI safety.  The latter has everyone thinking AI is a weapon that can destroy us all.  Because the latter is irresponsible unpredictable nonsense and a dead end.


But as far as my education and training, we've been through this before in this thread or the last thread of the same name that got locked.  I don't want to keep repeating things I've already said.  But a VERY short recap:  took a few programming courses in college and got 100% scores for the year, flawless.  Went on furthering that foundation self taught with online tutorials and using stack exchange and forums to answer questions as I go.  Worked for one company as a back end developer.  Started my own company to do videogame botting.  Created a vast videogame botting empire with a videogame bot army that spread across many computers all working as a large collective botnet and were interactive and collaborative and were able to bot undetected for years upon years with human-like performance due to their advanced AI.  Reached such amazing heights in this arena but the nature of the project was one of secrecy so I couldn't publish my awesome results for others to admire.  Realized these skills should be re-appropriated into embodied AI so I then went into the direction of building a humanoid robot to put all my skills into so that the whole world can stand in awe of my AI prowess.

As far as books I read, there was just the textbooks for college courses.  I did not read any more books relating to programming after that.  It is not necessary to read books in the age of the internet.  The internet's youtube channels and articles and forums and stack-exchange type sites and recently LLMs are more than enough to replace the need for books entirely.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #791 on: November 10, 2024, 12:27:43 am »
Because OP is building a sex robot, the robot sneaking behind its creator is not a bug, it is a feature.

That's not true.  I've already stated repeatedly it's not a sex robot.  In fact, it would actively refuse to perform any sex acts and Bible thump anyone that even spoke on such topics.  My robots will be prudes and completely villainize sex outside of the context of marriage between man and wife according to my robot's Biblical trained AI.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #792 on: November 10, 2024, 12:37:03 am »
A real scientist is usually humble when talking to others because he doesn't need to prove them anything by words. He knows that his works speak instead.

Well that may be true in some contexts, but consider this:  the type of scientist you are referring to is perhaps a respected and established professor with a PHD and rich educational history and published scientific articles.  He has a lot of respect in the field from his colleagues and nobody questions his expertise.  That is not a fair comparison to a hobbyist posting on a web forum about a ambitious project where he is facing extreme skepticism, ridicule, and mocking and bullying.  In the latter example, we don't have any of the scientist of the former example's perks of absolute respect and seriousness environment from all of those around him and absolute confidence from all those around him in his abilities, qualifications, background, capabilities, etc.  So it is not a fair comparison at all. 

A better comparison is Larry Bird or Michael Jordan.  They are great in their sport but the environment of the court is less formal.  Everybody is out there bragging and talking smack.  Saying how they are gonna destroy eachother the next play and how bad the other players are.  That is a background I grew up in as a former athlete.  The same immaturity and bullying and smack talking I faced for much of my life in athletics is what I find on these web forums.  And so I have tapped into the same mentality and approach that is used in such environments and consider it a valid and reasonable mode of behavior and interaction for that context.  I would not claim to be the best programmer in the world at church for example.  I would not probably say anything like that in real life to anybody's face.  But in these anonymous trash talking forums, all bets are off, the boxing gloves are on and we are sparring and trash talking here.  It keeps things more light hearted and playful in a otherwise very toxic and ugly environment, making the best of the situation by turning to bragging mode and insulting peers mode in a competitive trash talk manner like on a basketball court.  It is not meant to be taken very seriously or personally then but is moreso part of a game of psychological trash talk.

Any attempt to be serious and genuine also went out the window as a impossible approach when the mod team let me know I'm not allowed to express my religious beliefs which is core to who I am as a person.  So they pretty much forced me to wall off a large part of who I am in my interactions here.  So all I have is playful playground style smack talk as my final recourse approach to combat the regular bullying and toxicity encountered here. 

The other methods to combat the bullying and toxicity would be to go into PR phone support mode where everything anybody says goes as follows:

customer:  you are a piece of crap phone operator and your company is a piece of poop.  You are all idiots

phone operator:  I appreciate your candor and directness!  As a valued customer, I hope that I can serve you as best I can and I appreciate your feedback!  We strive to be the best we can be but understand that some might not approve of us in all ways.  Your willingness to share this constructive feedback is valued so thank you sir!

(inside phoner operator's head:  f*** you customer.  you are an idiot and don't know what you are talking about.  wish I could punch you in the face right now)

This type of fake PR speak is so nonsensical and ridiculous I generally avoid it.

As far as the work speaking for itself, I agree that in the long term that will be the best defense against the bullying and toxicity.  However, what about in the interim?  I don't see the bullying or hate changing for many years because my work is slow going and even if it is done well, it is still hated on because evidence of its hand made aspect is abundant with scissor marks and glue showing and w/e and people assume by this it won't work.  Which of course is false but they think everything has to be made on a lathe or by a cnc machine (smug and nonsensical standards).

So my work won't impress until it reaches certain landmarks or milestones like picking up cups and placing them in new spots or w/e.  BUT EVEN THEN, people can still hate like they do on the Tesla robot.  And they likely will still hate even then.  So then they won't finally budge out of hate mode and into clap mode until my robot literally has successfully made another robot or literally is able to play tennis and beat a pro athlete or some other worldly level achievement.  So it is not going to be a simple matter of just let the work speak for itself for a very long time.  So in the meantime I think the best approach is just to trash talk right back to the haters and bullies.  I don't see any downside to this.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #793 on: November 10, 2024, 12:50:32 am »
Great programmer in this context is defined as having enough insight and common sense to see that LLMs, neural networks, deep learning, machine learning etc are all trash and that rules based AI, good old fashioned AI, symbolic AI, expert systems AI is the only reasonable way to do AI. 

You write that as if you are some kind of AI programmer yourself: are you? (I highly doubt it.)

So what programming languages are you proficient in?

How deep into actual coding did you get? Can you give us some examples of the algorithms you used?
 

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #794 on: November 10, 2024, 01:04:18 am »


You write that as if you are some kind of AI programmer yourself: are you? (I highly doubt it.)

So what programming languages are you proficient in?

How deep into actual coding did you get? Can you give us some examples of the algorithms you used?

Yes, I did professional AI programming for many years in videogame botting.  I use C/C++.  I'm proficient in many other programming languages but the others are not relevant to the AI dev but they are arduino ide coding, html, php, ActionScript, Lua, javascript.  In this case, proficiency is defined as have used before in the past for as little as an hour of coding and successfully got it to do some task I needed it to do while often following along with a tutorial found online.

As far as how deep into the code I got:  well if we count reuse of existing AI code, I'm years into it.  But if we only look at the new AI code being developed from scratch just for the humanoid, I'm just 60-80 hours into it I think.  It is a good 20k hour job though.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #795 on: November 10, 2024, 01:37:00 am »
"In this case, proficiency is defined as have used before in the past for as little as an hour of coding and successfully got it to do some task I needed it to do while often following along with a tutorial found online."

Very interesting concept of being proficient. Amazing. I'll be sure to add 'proficient' to a lot more things that I have tinkered with. Definitely surgeon is one of them since I'm sure I've spent more than an hour removing splinters from my fingers over my lifetime so far. Time to spruce up my resume.

20k hours eh? Near 7 years of 8 hour days, 7 days a week. Though I'm sure you'll claim your AI will reach a self-coding point very quickly and finish it all up by itself. Got any opensource/git code you've ever done (your own work that is, not your AI) that you're proud to show us?

This thread is providing massive levels of entertainment, please continue. I hope you don't consider it a waste of time, though I also hope it isn't distracting you from actually working on bits of your project including that 20k hours of coding.  :-DD

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #796 on: November 10, 2024, 01:41:23 am »

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #797 on: November 10, 2024, 02:06:37 am »

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Got any opensource/git code you've ever done (your own work that is, not your AI) that you're proud to show us?

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Reached such amazing heights in this arena but the nature of the project was one of secrecy so I couldn't publish my awesome results for others to admire

Nice way to defend the reality that no code actually exists eh? :)

But as any of us that have actually written more code than "hello, world", we all know that snippets of code would be enough to show skill without giving away the farm. Just a few snippets from any of his masterpieces would show his claimed proficiency. Though they would likely be as refined as the contraptions that have been shown so far.

I'm still convinced he is pulling the wool over our eyes. Else, if serious, totally batshit crazy.

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #798 on: November 10, 2024, 02:17:48 am »
hobbyist posting on a web forum about a ambitious project where he is facing extreme skepticism, ridicule, and mocking and bullying.

In your opinion, what is the reason for the ridicule? I'm on this forum for a few years and I can say that it's very rare. Like not at all typical. I personally remember just one more case which would qualify as ridicule towards a user. In the meantime, hundreds of other new users never faced ridicule.
 

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #799 on: November 10, 2024, 02:31:45 am »

20k hours eh? Near 7 years of 8 hour days, 7 days a week. Though I'm sure you'll claim your AI will reach a self-coding point very quickly and finish it all up by itself.


Well this is nuanced.  I'm developing my own game engine type deal to do all the motion planning and physics engine stuff and inverse kinematics stuff.  I'm developing many things from scratch.  So I name 20k hours as just a way to say "seems like a lot of work".  The actual amount of hours is just a made up big number to indicate "tons of work it will get done in the far off future I guess".

The self-coding will possibly get done quickly, but only narrow and limited examples of self coding at first.  Like if I tell it grass is green, it will store green as the color in the file named grass.txt and thereby code itself based on something I said.  That is not to be confused with it being suddenly an expert in C++ and giving lectures on object oriented programming pros and cons.
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