My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project

[georges80]

20k hours eh? Near 7 years of 8 hour days, 7 days a week. Though I'm sure you'll claim your AI will reach a self-coding point very quickly and finish it all up by itself.

Well this is nuanced.  I'm developing my own game engine type deal to do all the motion planning and physics engine stuff and inverse kinematics stuff.  I'm developing many things from scratch.  So I name 20k hours as just a way to say "seems like a lot of work".  The actual amount of hours is just a made up big number to indicate "tons of work it will get done in the far off future I guess".

The self-coding will possibly get done quickly, but only narrow and limited examples of self coding at first.  Like if I tell it grass is green, it will store green as the color in the file named grass.txt and thereby code itself based on something I said.  That is not to be confused with it being suddenly an expert in C++ and giving lectures on object oriented programming pros and cons.

Great back peddling, quote a number - your 20k and then claim you mean a "lot" of hours. Seriously, you should stop typing since you just contradict yourself over and over.

But you are an expert, you've claimed 'awesome' coding etc., but can't show any because it's top secret. So, yes, you are back peddling, yet again.

Anyhow, continue on, it's great seeing what is unfolding. I'm waiting for when you finally tell us that it's been a giant hoax and we all have a good laugh "together".

And, you do realize that if you post on a semi-technical forum, you better expect some pretty pointed questions from folk that more than likely have a professional background and skillsets in "stuff" (your term) you are playing with.

cheers,
george.

[artbyrobot]

Got any opensource/git code you've ever done (your own work that is, not your AI) that you're proud to show us?

Already covered

Reached such amazing heights in this arena but the nature of the project was one of secrecy so I couldn't publish my awesome results for others to admire

Nice way to defend the reality that no code actually exists eh?

But as any of us that have actually written more code than "hello, world", we all know that snippets of code would be enough to show skill without giving away the farm. Just a few snippets from any of his masterpieces would show his claimed proficiency. Though they would likely be as refined as the contraptions that have been shown so far.

I'm still convinced he is pulling the wool over our eyes. Else, if serious, totally batshit crazy.

cheers,
george.

No I've been publishing my code but ONLY as long form youtube video content.  Here's some info on that summarizing it and linking some of it:

Hey, @abeyer, would you be kind enough to give us a link to the videos you watched?  There are so many I'd be interested in looking at the same ones you did.  Thanks.,

The descriptions that OP has written here are actually a pretty accurate and complete description of his fundamental approach in the videos, if you want to skip watching. I just think people here think he's leaving out the "secret sauce" in the description based on his claims, when in fact there just isn't any sauce there and the claims aren't legitimate. He writes rules (and vocabulary, and linguistics, and state, and religious tenets, and... everything else) in a folder full of text files with kinda semi-structured natural language with a bit of C++ like syntax sprinkled on top. And then the AI is "just"(!!!) an interpreter that needs to be able to load/execute/update them as needed. Based on what was shown, so far it reads a number of the files into memory and has a parser (which despite being fundamentally flawed in some design choices and still buggy) that can at least sometimes recognize if and while statements. Didn't see any indication there's anything written yet beyond the parser.

All of this done in his own unique "style" of programming... which is essentially making the program one giant ad hoc state machine with the state spread across thousands of global boolean flags like

Code: [Select]

bool parsingConversationsProgrammingFileArrayLineWaitingForSeeingIfItsAnIfStatement = false;

and then the vast majority of the control flow being one giant loop full of simple if statements that test/set/clear the flags to dispatch, all written in a single file with one 250k line main function.

The whole process of going down that rabbithole just left me kind of sad. He's obviously got a lot of ideas, motivation, time, willingness to grind, and seems quite smart given he's gotten as far as he has despite doing things the way he does. But based on the videos and this thread, it just feels like he's dug himself deep into the "Expert Beginner" trap and doesn't seem able or willing to even consider the type of feedback that he needs to get out.
 
The requested overview of the "evolution" of the AI and his dev approach: (these probably total 20+ hours, with long stretches of even less productive sections... a heavy hand on the fast forward and skip ahead buttons are needed.)

note that I disagree with his takes on alot of this and think he's wrong.  My code is elite world class and perfect.  Some day everyone will have to watch my coding videos and implement my coding style to get a degree in AI.

[artbyrobot]

hobbyist posting on a web forum about a ambitious project where he is facing extreme skepticism, ridicule, and mocking and bullying.

In your opinion, what is the reason for the ridicule? I'm on this forum for a few years and I can say that it's very rare. Like not at all typical. I personally remember just one more case which would qualify as ridicule towards a user. In the meantime, hundreds of other new users never faced ridicule.

My wife proposed an interesting theory on why I farm ridicule and bullying like no other.  And not just here, but in many other places online on unrelated topics.  It is because I come across as a arrogant know it all and prideful in a ugly way.  People then feel the need to put me in my place and humble me.  Hence the pitchforks come out to attack and bring low the prideful monster they see me as. 

This is a viable theory IMO. 

That said, I don't think their assessment is fair.  I am very humble and have no pride issues.  I'm just confident I'm better than everybody in a humble way.  I don't lord it over people either.  I just humbly tell them they are trash and to learn from and emulate me if they want to be elite.  I say this humbly though.  I don't see the issue.

[georges80]

note that I disagree with his takes on alot of this and think he's wrong.  My code is elite world class and perfect.  Some day everyone will have to watch my coding videos and implement my coding style to get a degree in AI.

What the hell is "elite world class and perfect"? Please provide examples, I don't want to wait for "some day" - I may not even have 20k hours left.

Quote from you:

"... they think a world class robotics project done for 10 years is not serious effort shown to build a robot. "

World class, really? 10yrs? At that rate it won't matter if you live another 100yrs or 1000yrs, it'll still be junk and still not do anything.

You are clearly very proud of your achievements and your brilliance. I'm glad in the confines of "your" world that is the case. Maybe youtube hits bring in some pizza money for you, hopefully so.

And still waiting for the hoax to end 

cheers,
george.

[artbyrobot]

I literally just posted the coding videos what are you on about?  Stop saying I didn't post code examples when I did.

[xrunner]

I'm just confident I'm better than everybody in a humble way.  I don't lord it over people either.  I just humbly tell them they are trash and to learn from and emulate me if they want to be elite. 

Where is the evidence?

I've seen what you post here, and to give myself credit I've looked at a lot of your videos, watched many all the way through, and scanned others that are ridiculously too long. I have not seen one single thing on any video that supports the bluster you bring here. If I missed it point me (us) to some videos where we can see any sign of the greatness you purport to have.

[Kim Christensen]

I literally just posted the coding videos what are you on about?  Stop saying I didn't post code examples when I did.

Ever watched "The Cherno" youtuber? With him you can follow along, duplicate his code, and actually get something running.

[georges80]

I literally just posted the coding videos what are you on about?  Stop saying I didn't post code examples when I did.

Where is the actual code and algorithm descriptions. It's just video noise. You do know what real actual code looks like, right? You know, something that can compile (or be interpreted) and execute without crashing.

Post source code, not videos, I don't click on youtube noise - not funding pizza money, sorry.

If you want to claim how brilliant, elite, world class and whatever else, either prove it with real examples or go back to playing with your contraptions and show the finished product for us to all praise in a few decades (or millennia).

You humble? 

Given this subforum is for projects, I've yet to see from you what I would deem a project (even the start of one), versus tinkering with bits of string and associated junk. Well, time for evening dessert, catch you another day.

Still waiting for the hoax to end 

cheers,
george.

[Kean]

If you really want to see some of his "perfect" code ... i.e. some of the worst code you have probably ever seen...

Dive in at https://github.com/artbyrobot

[artbyrobot]

Ever watched "The Cherno" youtuber? With him you can follow along, duplicate his code, and actually get something running.

I have not but I'll check it out thanks.  My intention has been that people can follow along with my code and duplicate it and actually get something running as well.  I think a coder of any skill level can do this with my existing 20+ hours of coding videos to get up to where I am in my AI so far.  Don't you think so? 

[artbyrobot]

Where is the evidence?

I think you said that you'll only be convinced if I set up the robot to pick up cups and place them in another spot or something.  So for you, I am not progressed enough to show any evidence.  Even though in my opinion, just showing great progress with elite skill should be enough evidence even at my current stage of development but you require more somehow.  I don't see why.

[artbyrobot]

Where is the actual code and algorithm descriptions. It's just video noise.

I'm confused.  I literally am shown on video typing the code out and explaining out loud my reasoning and code as I go as well as my strategies and plans.  You say that is not actual code and algorithm descriptions when it literally is. 

[Analog Kid]

It just hit me--the explanation of all this madness. We've probably all seen it:

A Beautiful Mind

(except that this clown is no genius)

I wonder if his wife knows about his "condition".

[artbyrobot]

If you really want to see some of his "perfect" code ... i.e. some of the worst code you have probably ever seen...

Dive in at https://github.com/artbyrobot

Oh, thanks for posting that link.  I forgot about that.  That should help George since he's allurgic to youtube video links.

Also, you had a typo.  Guys, it's the BEST code you probably have ever seen or ever will see.

[joeqsmith]

My wife proposed an interesting theory on why I farm ridicule and bullying like no other.  And not just here, but in many other places online on unrelated topics.  It is because I come across as a arrogant know it all and prideful in a ugly way.  People then feel the need to put me in my place and humble me.  Hence the pitchforks come out to attack and bring low the prideful monster they see me as. 
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I'm just surprised you claim this is a business and I have not seen such poor workmanship from any professional.  You can claim it's perfection and be arrogant which I attribute to your small sample you use for a reference.  You suggested a competition of sorts where anything beyond the typical grade school art class skills was considered cheating.  Again, if you would like to compete, pick an interesting topic and some constraints. 

[artbyrobot]

I'm just surprised you claim this is a business

Part of my plan for the robot will be it mowing lawns for neighbors for pay.  Not part of my plan is selling my robot for pay to a person who wants to own a robot.  Therefore, to assess the quality level of my robot is measured by different metrics.  The quality for a customer is not is the pulley looking professional on that motor? but is did the lines on my lawn left by the mower look straight enough?  So in that way I claim it's a business but it seems you suppose selling the robot is the business and the polish of its internal components have to match what you'd see in a car's engine bay.  That's false.  ESPECIALLY false for it being a prototype.  Also note that once the robot's arm and head are done, when it builds the rest of its own body then starts building me more robots, the workmanship I require of it can be of a higher quality than the workmanship I put out by my own hands.  I can step up work quality at that point but should not do so at the point where I'm the one doing the work.  That would add unnecessary time and effort which would conflict with fast iterations of prototypes and testing and trial and error nature of this work so far.


Also, if a mechanic makes a custom screwdriver with some scrap iron and his angle grinder, you would not say the tool has to look like a Craftsman screwdriver or w/e.  You'd expect it to look somewhat crude because he's not selling that tool he's just making it for his own use to carry out his business of fixing up cars.  So also it is for me with this robot.  It is just a tool I will use for automating my product manufacturing and chores and making more robots.  So it doesn't have to look internally like the inside of an engine bay.  It's not for sale like that.

If my business is making and selling 3d printed chess pieces, and I build a 3d printer to print them, it doesn't matter how crude the printer looks, what matters to my customer is how good does the chess piece look.  That's how it is for my robot situation.

[georges80]

If you really want to see some of his "perfect" code ... i.e. some of the worst code you have probably ever seen...

Dive in at https://github.com/artbyrobot

Oh, thanks for posting that link.  I forgot about that.  That should help George since he's allurgic to youtube video links.

Also, you had a typo.  Guys, it's the BEST code you probably have ever seen or ever will see.

Dessert was yummy. Allurgic - what is that - some AI glitch?

Had a look at your huge repository of code (yes, me laughing). What a load of garbage. And thanks for claiming it is the BEST code ever, confirmation of the warped reality you have created for yourself.

Feel free to also provide links to your various businesses and inventions - they are in the real world, yes?, versus a figment of your imagination as it appears most everything else is.

This is so much fun, I can see myself visiting this thread often to read what other nuggets you have added. I'll soon be heading to Japan on a short business trip (in a real plane etc.), so may be a little busy enjoying the food there. I'll try to make time before heading to sleep to pop in to check on your latest babble, assuming the thread doesn't get locked.

cheers,
george.

[artbyrobot]

What a load of garbage. And thanks for claiming it is the BEST code ever

Guy looks for 5 minutes at code, doesn't understand it, calls it garbage, but cannot claim any flaw in it and cannot substantiate his claims nor even attempts to do so.  Walks away smugly to eat Japanese food.

 

You gotta do better than that.  I'm not impressed.  Some day this coding style I invented will be mandatory for getting a degree in software engineering.

[ebastler]

As far as the work speaking for itself, I agree that in the long term that will be the best defense against the bullying and toxicity.  However, what about in the interim?  [...]
So my work won't impress until it reaches certain landmarks or milestones like picking up cups and placing them in new spots or w/e. [...]

So in the meantime I think the best approach is just to trash talk right back to the haters and bullies.  I don't see any downside to this. [...]

Have you considered just shutting up and focusing on your work until you have something to show?
Anyway, nice summary of your attitude and this thread.

[artbyrobot]

Have you considered just shutting up and focusing on your work until you have something to show?

I think coach prime and the Colorado Buffalos football program is a good analogy.  They hyped their journey to greatness from the beginning.  Haters abounded to criticize and attack them and hated their confidence and swagger.  They had some difficult setbacks but have really come along and shocked the nation with their improvement.  They are beginning more and more to walk the walk.  Following this journey has been enjoyable and they kept receipts of all the haters who are constantly having to apologize and are ashamed at how wrong they were and how this team has proven their take was false.  Watching them either disappear or publicly apologize, has been enjoyable.  The haters are being proven wrong.  They were smug and they are getting shut down by this team's rise.  This team got extra hate because they had very high confidence and talked alot of smack.  What you are proposing here is to skip all of this journey and just waltz onto the scene at the very end.  This proves you don't understand the saying its about the journey not the finish line. 

Think of how boring this is:  I do the whole project in total isolation and privacy.  I unveil it to the world who applauses.  The end.  It's boring.  There's no drama, no intrigue, no battle of wits, nothing interesting.  It's not an epic saga.  People also don't get to be part of the journey this way and nobody gets to chime in and potentially offer critical constructive feedback like Kim did some pages back on the pulleys.  Saved me alot of time.  You are short sighted xrunner.  You fail to see the value in this thread because of blindness and your suggestion to just be silent until it's done is foolish.

Every hater on here will be taught a valuable lesson about "it's not over till the fat lady sings" when I succeed despite you all saying it's over.  Every hater on here will be taught the valuable lesson to not underestimate people with big dreams when I achieve mine.  Every hater on here will be taught a valuable lesson about how little they really knew about robotics and what a big mouth they had posing like they were experts only to be proven mere jokers by the genius roboticist who comes on here and blows their minds with his project's massive success. 

These lessons would not be learned if I did not be very public at this phase.

Also, I already have shown a TON so suggesting I have nothing to show is false.  I have shown 20+ hours of literally earth shattering ground breaking AI development unlike anything the world has ever seen.  I have also shown breakthrough after breakthrough on custom actuator development and human-like bones based robotics design that will dominate the humanoid robotics scene and become the standard soon enough.

[artbyrobot]

And will say this:

I demonstrate such a profound knowledge of and appreciation for the saying "enjoy the journey not just the destination" that I clearly am willing to embrace a project for whom the finish line is so remote and so unguaranteed that most people think the project is a fool's errand.  This clearly shows how much I truly have learned to enjoy the journey even when the finish line is not promised.  That doesn't matter to me.  I can dream of the finish line and hope for it, but even if it never comes, if I enjoy the journey then I win in some ways.

[ebastler]

I think coach prime and the Colorado Buffalos football program is a good analogy.  They hyped their journey to greatness from the beginning.

I take it that they knew the rules, had a full team on deck, and were actually able to play the game and score the occasional goal when they started competing? If you want to equate your project's current state to a football team, it would be just you on the pitch, practicing with a stuffed plastic bag instead of a ball.

Also, I already have shown a TON so suggesting I have nothing to show is false.  I have shown 20+ hours of literally earth shattering ground breaking AI development unlike anything the world has ever seen.

Rule-based AI may work well to control non-playable characters in a video game -- which happens to be a rule-based environment with limited, well-controlled degrees of freedom. Sooner or (I'm afraid) later you will realize that the real world is different. For starters, and while your robot's mechanisms are still under development, why don't you show us some rule-based speech recognition and language processing?

[artbyrobot]

artbyrobot,

Do you loathe human beings? Why do you seek to recreate man, trapped inside a robot body, enslaved to your whims?

You desire the robot to be 6"3, 150 IQ, strong, intelligent, capable. These desires strike me as an externalization of your own desire to improve yourself. What is stopping you?

Humans already exist. We are intelligent, sociable, continuously evolve and learn and teach each other. We have rigorous cultures and societies to explore all avenues of life. We can even reproduce through the wonders of creation.

Who are you to create an alternative life form, to play God?

Unlike you, I don't believe AI is a life form nor can ever be.  I don't believe in machines being conscious nor do I believe they ever can be.  It is impossible.  Artificial intelligence is just that:  artificial.  It will never be intelligent for real.  They will never feel, never love, never truly reason.  It is all just a facsimile.  This is all fan art.  You will never truly understand or appreciate the design of your body and mind unless you recreate it.  Then you will stand in awe and understand it much deeper.  Then you will be more profoundly thankful for the body and mind you possess.

This project is not an externalization of my desire to improve myself.  I am already all of those good things.  There is very little I can do to improve myself.  I'm already sitting near a maxxed out state of being.  Granted there is always room to grow in certain areas but that goes into religion which is prohibited here so I'll leave that to you to search out theologically speaking.

So anyways, there is no such thing as playing God for someone who is merely creating fan art of creation meant to be a useful tool used to subdue the earth and extend one's self-actualization further and further. 

Also, humans already existing does not solve the problem of our gross lack of slavery.  It was abolished.  News flash.  And I'm glad it was.  But it is missed.  It is a tragic loss for the slaveholders.  I need slaves to accomplish my goals.  And I'm against human slavery (with some historical exceptions that were ethically accomplished and the slaves were in total bliss the whole time).  The perfect solution is robots.  Robot actually means slave.  I love slavery but don't love human suffering.  So I hate human slavery (of the unethical sort).  But I love ethical slavery.  I love robot slavery.  And robot slavery is ethical unless you are a delusional maniac who thinks robots are living souls with consciousness and real feelings.  I feel sorry for someone that blind and ignorant.  I'm not one such.  So I'm able to enslave robots to my hearts content and these machines could care less about it.  They were made for it.  They have no skin in the game and aren't able to care.  They are just are code executing.  They are not living at all.  I should not have to explain this to you.  You need to watch less sci-fi movies and do more theological studies.

[artbyrobot]

why don't you show us some rule-based speech recognition and language processing?

I will soon enough.  But I'm not there yet.  Although I have already begun this process and you can watch videos on these topics where I already have laid the foundations and made epic progress on these.

[artbyrobot]

I want to point out how far along I am since xrunner keeps promoting the notion I've only just begun.  So if my pulley downgearing design works - and it seems I'm very close to this - just working on ironing out final details and configuration tweaks at this point.  Let's say it works and works very well - sufficiently to achieve my goals.  Then I am just about DONE as far as all design goes.  The robot's bone system is already proven as it's the same we humans have.  And I already figured out where to put all the motors so that's done.  If the pulleys work, it will just be a trivial and repetitive set of tasks to simply sew on the rest of the motors and solder up the electronics that I've already designed and perfected which is already just proven and simple stuff.  I then connect it all by USB to the simple mini itx gaming pc, hook up the webcam eyes and boom, the robot can see and do it all.  Then I just sew on all the touch sensors and rig them up and boom, it can feel.  Then I just rig up the potentiometers and boom it can calibrate all its motions perfectly.  There is really nothing more than rote obvious stuff if these pulleys work.  Everything else is just going through the motions.  Even a monkey could do it at that point.  Even xrunner could do it at that point. 

So this proves that this pulley system is basically the final frontier of this project and once it's done it is literally like just stap on a blindfold and sit in a sled and go downhill because the project is all downhill from there.  Super easy at that point.  I already solved at that point the humanoid form factor which was the biggest hurdle.  There was nothing else major to solve.  The AI will also be easy as I've already solved AI and implementing it at that point is child's play.