Already the gain of 5000 often higher than needed.
Oh come on.
A modern wideband oscilloscope has ~1mVpp input noise.
To measure a serious reference like ADR1000 you really want a higher amplification to get below 200uVpp noise floor.
@trtr6842
I have seen that you are using "hires mode" with a relatively low (10kS/s) sample rate.
what exactly does this software filter do? (I am not familiar with R&S)
I hope it does a sliding average over neighbouring measurement points and not average complete traces.
where is the Edge frequency of this filter?
Have you done a FFT?
when averaging 256 neighboured points the sample rate would lead to around 40 Hz which is too close to the 10 Hz Bandwidth.
with best regards
Andreas
Here are some specs for my RTB2004:
I left the probe settings according to a gain of 5000, the same as all my tests with the LNA.
Shorted input, 20Mpts capture, 10.9kS/s, Hi-res mode:
23nVp-p, 2.54nVrms (115µVp-p, 12.7µVrms 1x gain equivalent)
Shorted input, 20Mpts capture, 1.67MS/s, Sample-mode:
136nVp-p 16.1nVrms (680µVp-p, 80.5µVrms 1x gain equivalent)
So based on my last test where the LNA showed 13.2nVrms of noise, if you remove the 2.54nVrms of scope noise, the LNA actually has 12.95nVrms of input-referred noise. Increasing the gain to 10kx would give a shorted input noise of 13.01nVrms, which is not a significant improvement for me. Other scopes may vary though, but since my scope has such low intrinsic noise I'd rather have a wider measurement range. With an old 9V battery (drained to 6V) I can measure signals up to about 1mVp-p. Since I can't do that with scope naturally, that's pretty useful. (Although this particular version has the 250x output as well, drastically increasing the range).
Essentially I get no benefits from a gain of 10,000x, but that's just my setup, others may vary.
As for sample mode vs hi-res, there is absolutely no concern for bandwidth. The hi-res mode performs a moving average, and is reflected in the sample rate. You can see from the two measurements above the oversampling ratio is about 153 (1.67MS/s vs 10.9kS/s). In both cases the ADC is running at 1.67MS/s, but the decimated datarate of the hi-res capture is 10.9kS/s, 1000x higher than the 10Hz range we need.
Here is a basic amplitude test with the scope in sample mode:
Here is Hi-res mode, with an even lower sample rate than my tests.
5.0185V Mean Amplitude in Sample,
5.0144V Mean Amplitude in Hi-res
Only a -0.0071dB drop, perfectly acceptable given the benefits of lower input noise.
Back to the LNA, Here is a 131kpt FFT of a 60-second capture with a shorted LNA input:
You can clearly see the 10Hz LNA high-frequency cutoff, and then below that the noise floor of the scope beyond that.
Here is a 20Mpt FFT of a 240 second capture with shorted LNA input: