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Offline perdrixTopic starter

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Oh dear, another drifty 3458A
« on: January 14, 2018, 01:40:01 pm »
I'm currently running the Service note 18 drift test, and am already way out of bounds after a few days :'(



The error bars on the CAL72 values are set to 3.4E-5 percent of the reading which I think is the 0.34 ppm magic number.

The meter was powered on after a long period in storage on the day before the first reading in the graph.

Is this a definite case of "you need a new A3 board", or is there some hope that it can be fixed or will stabilise after a few more days?

Thanks
Dave
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Re: Oh dear, another drifty 3458A
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2018, 02:07:18 pm »
I'd leave meter to run a week or two after storage and then do the test. You may have got just long storage stress.
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Re: Oh dear, another drifty 3458A
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2018, 02:12:41 pm »
Keep measuring before spending money :)

My Solartron 7081 has an interesting maintenance procedure after being in storage: wrap it in insulation and keep it powered for 24 hours to raise the internal temperature.

I used a blanket, and the internal temperature rose to, IIRC, around 40C. It was noticeably better thereafter.

I make no comment about the relevance or otherwise to your 3458.
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Re: Oh dear, another drifty 3458A
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2018, 03:30:16 pm »
Doh!  It's nowhere near as bad as I initially thought - the limits are 0.43ppm per DAY, not 0.34 per week which is what I had misremembered! :palm:

I've since updated the spreadsheet to set the errors bars at 4.3E-5 percent.   

The only period in which the limit was exceeded was the first one where the delta was 0.9ppm.

The next 24 hour drift was 0.13ppm.

So fingers crossed!

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Re: Oh dear, another drifty 3458A
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2018, 07:40:35 pm »
It's probably fine, and you'll probably see it settle down a bit more.  Let it run for -at least- a few weeks after a long power-off storage period before gathering any serious data.
 

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Re: Oh dear, another drifty 3458A
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2018, 03:07:15 pm »
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Re: Oh dear, another drifty 3458A
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2018, 09:26:27 pm »
My 3458a despite having a jumpy reference with a horrible temperature coefficient A9 has a very good "resistor switch/chip".

23/12/2016   35.20   997.876849
09/01/2018   35.20   997.876575

0.3ppm per year seems to qualify as "good enough" also for the 0.34ppm per week (but also month or year) :-DD

 

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Re: Oh dear, another drifty 3458A
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2018, 11:13:32 pm »
My 3458a despite having a jumpy reference with a horrible temperature coefficient A9 has a very good "resistor switch/chip".

23/12/2016   35.20   997.876849
09/01/2018   35.20   997.876575

0.3ppm per year seems to qualify as "good enough" also for the 0.34ppm per week (but also month or year) :-DD

This looks impressive - has it been powered on for the entire time(it is only legit if powered on).
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Re: Oh dear, another drifty 3458A
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2018, 11:43:01 pm »
My 3458a despite having a jumpy reference with a horrible temperature coefficient A9 has a very good "resistor switch/chip".

23/12/2016   35.20   997.876849
09/01/2018   35.20   997.876575

0.3ppm per year seems to qualify as "good enough" also for the 0.34ppm per week (but also month or year) :-DD

This looks impressive - has it been powered on for the entire time(it is only legit if powered on).
No not 24/24, let say 20% ... anyway still impressive. It has the new analog board.



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