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Offline Magnificent Bastard

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Re: Oil for a leaking Tinsley standard resistor
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2019, 06:25:30 am »
Just as well that you included the USA bit, I was just going to make a crack about buying it in blocks in Antarctica. We know where to find you now.  >:D

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Re: Oil for a leaking Tinsley standard resistor
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2019, 09:13:39 am »
Thanks to everybody that has replied.

I've tried finding mineral/paraffin oil in more than half a dozen pharmacists and traditional hardware shops, completely without success. Most reactions are bafflement or "no". The better reactions include "oh yes, we have some paraffin here" and "I should have some here, oh no it is gone" :)

Hence it looks like the most probable source would be online, which is a bit of a shame.

However, Real Life has intervened and so this is now on the back burner.

Currently (ho ho) I'm only likely to use the resistor to calibrate DMMs. In most cases they would pass 1mA, which equates to a 10uW dissipation; the worst case is 10mA / 1mW.

Given the size and surface area of the resistance wire, I doubt (without doing calculations!) that would result in a large temperature rise. In that case the principal value of any oil would be to stabilise the temperature and allow the temperature to be measured with a mercury thermometer inserted into the top hole. Hence I may just call it a day and use it without oil.

Nonetheless, the discussion has been interesting and I have learned a lot; thanks.

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Re: Oil for a leaking Tinsley standard resistor
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2019, 08:57:56 am »
Do you know correct oil level?
 

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Re: Oil for a leaking Tinsley standard resistor
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2019, 09:57:22 am »
Do you know correct oil level?

Not explicitly, but there is no point in a partially submerged resistance wire.

Why do you ask?
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Re: Oil for a leaking Tinsley standard resistor
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2019, 01:56:13 am »
does anyone knows if it will work ?  I'm about in the same state for resistor ....

https://www.rona.ca/en/paraffin-oil

UPD:  On the other hand, Paraffin oil, known as kerosene in Australia and the United States and stove oil in Canada, is an flammable liquid hydrocarbon burned as fuel.
seems it not ....
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Re: Oil for a leaking Tinsley standard resistor
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2019, 11:18:48 am »
No, that says lamp oil, ie. Kerosene. It will contain quite a lot of water and be acidic.

You want medical grade Liquid Paraffin BP, for internal use.
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Re: Oil for a leaking Tinsley standard resistor
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2019, 07:01:57 pm »
 

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Re: Oil for a leaking Tinsley standard resistor
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2019, 07:59:29 pm »
Yes, that looks like the stuff.

I notice that it contains 0.1% 'mixed tocopherols' as a non active ingredient stabilizer. You might just want to read up on those, but I suppose you want the oil to be stable anyway... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocopherol. I suspect that they all might all contain some.
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Re: Oil for a leaking Tinsley standard resistor
« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2019, 11:54:44 am »
will that thing work ? :
https://www.amazon.ca/Swan-Mineral-Oil-16-oz/dp/B001B2RG1C

That looks rather expensive...

You can get a larger container (591 mL) of the Equate brand (Wal-mart's house brand) stuff at any Wal-Mart for $3.97 Canadian...
 

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Re: Oil for a leaking Tinsley standard resistor
« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2021, 11:24:19 am »
ManateeMafia noted in https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/precision-resistors-general-thread/msg3624927/#msg3624927

"I came across this document from IET in regards to the oil filled SR-1030 series. Chapter 6 talks about their recommended oil and how to test if it is contaminated enough to warrant doing an oil change. https://www.ietlabs.com/pdf/Manuals/SR1030_im.pdf "

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Re: Oil for a leaking Tinsley standard resistor
« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2021, 11:56:40 am »
That section reads just like a Haynes manual (DIY auto manual for non UK), including glossing over the messy bit.  :D
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Re: Oil for a leaking Tinsley standard resistor
« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2021, 12:50:48 pm »
FYI, the topic of resistance standard oil has been briefly discussed in the General Precision Resistor thread too.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/precision-resistors-general-thread/msg3623623/#msg3623623
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Re: Oil for a leaking Tinsley standard resistor
« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2021, 06:11:09 pm »
Food-grade white mineral oil is the way to go
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Re: Oil for a leaking Tinsley standard resistor
« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2021, 07:29:30 pm »
On Ebay Italy 20 liter can!

https://www.ebay.it/itm/255002905357?var=0&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=724-53478-19255-0&campid=5338822678&toolid=10029

Agip ITE 600 is an excellent transformers and rheostats oil.
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Re: Oil for a leaking Tinsley standard resistor
« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2021, 08:16:06 pm »
For a different application (insulating the high-voltage power supply for 450 kV x-ray tubes), we used "Diala" oil from Shell, which is a "transformer oil", mostly used in power-distribution transformers.
It is basically a purified "motor oil" (I used to know the SAE number) without the usual detergent additives, etc. designed for car engines.
It contains a small amount of "anti oxidation" agent, which I remember being either BHA or BHT, common preservatives found in food or cosmetic products.
 

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Re: Oil for a leaking Tinsley standard resistor
« Reply #40 on: August 12, 2021, 10:26:21 am »
Just a note that tggzzz necroposted his own thread yesterday. The discussions on pharmaceutical mineral oil etc, happened a couple of years ago (and I suspect he already topped it up, or decided that he didn't need to).
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Re: Oil for a leaking Tinsley standard resistor
« Reply #41 on: August 12, 2021, 11:55:37 am »
Just a note that tggzzz necroposted his own thread yesterday. The discussions on pharmaceutical mineral oil etc, happened a couple of years ago (and I suspect he already topped it up, or decided that he didn't need to).

The latter; see reply #26.

I added the cross reference for the benefit of any reader that comes along in the future with a similar question.
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