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[solved] I really HATE gnu and linux
« on: April 02, 2016, 03:10:38 pm »
a customer needs to support sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22

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Makefile:1449: *** mixed implicit and normal rules: deprecated syntax
/root/sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22-sandpoint3-G4/Makefile:1449: *** mixed implicit and normal rules: deprecated syntax
make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'silentoldconfig'.  Stop.
make: *** No rule to make target 'include/config/auto.conf', needed by 'include/config/kernel.release'.  Stop.
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make-ppc -d

and the above command tells a lot of crap: how to solve?
deprecated syntax, crap scripts, and once again …
… it looks like a mission impossible  :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm:
(where the FSCK is my personal jesus ?)
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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2016, 03:13:11 pm »
the above was perfectly working in 2008
thus WHY ?!?
they want to change things
with the result of making them broken ???

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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2016, 03:32:47 pm »
the above was perfectly working in 2008

You must be kidding. They often brake things with the next update, that was a major reason I abandoned my hard work attempts to introduce Linux to myself.
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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2016, 03:45:09 pm »
Hi,

This has nothing to do with Linux (I love this kind of false arguments about Linux and the inability for people to open their mind and change their (bad) habits); GNU make was tolerant in the past with some rules, but that was cleaned out:

http://osdir.com/ml/bug-make-gnu/2011-04/msg00011.html

(googling <30s BTW)

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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2016, 03:48:02 pm »
EEVBlog is in an operating system deadlock now. We have a thread where we hate Windows, and one where we hate Linux. There's no way out from here... :scared:
 

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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2016, 03:55:58 pm »
As someone already pointed out; it is not the fault of Linux...
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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2016, 04:06:48 pm »
You likely got the same warming (deprecated syntax) in 2008, so there was plenty of time to fix the make-file.
The good thing is, the make-file is human readable, at least in principle. So there might be someone who can translate to old / mixed syntax.

 

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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2016, 04:08:09 pm »
my effort to fix the jam, practically it will take the whole weekend  |O
(I had been thinking it would have taken just a couple of hours)

let's go fixing things (can i change my job?
the summer is coming and I want to sell ice creams)
 

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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2016, 04:15:56 pm »
human readable, at least in principle

there are 2132 errors, inside a hierarchical tree with things written sparse around, oh,
plus things that seem written by bot, do human beings write things with so much complexity?

because G-Boys and Loooooniiiiix-boys: want to be called "GURU"
while I am an ICE-cream salesman (and I sell just 5 kinds of tastes)

 

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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2016, 04:20:53 pm »
GNU make was tolerant in the past with some rules, but that was cleaned out:
A change -however technically justified- which makes things backwards incompatible is a no-go. Unfortunately many programmers don't understand that and don't see that changing a version means re-testing everything again which usually is a very tedious and time consuming task.
So unfortunately if you need to support older GNU software then you have to have a virtual machine with that version because newer versions are likely to break things.
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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2016, 04:26:05 pm »
...the above command tells a lot of crap: how to solve?

Not sure how long you have been involved in software development? In my case, about 33 years. And all I can say is: I've seen worse. Far worse. :)

It's giving you the relevant details. Look at the section of breaking code, the error message, and Google a bit. Then get stuck in and fix it - it's only a make file after all.

If you have such a hatred for Linux and the GNU toolchain - and are going to react this way every time you hit a problem with a piece of code you haven't run for EIGHT YEARS - then I really would suggest that career in ice cream sales you were mentioning.  :-DD

Unless this is actually April 1st and I'm missing the joke here? :)
 

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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2016, 04:28:25 pm »
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make-ppc -d

(-d, forcing debug)

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[step2] compiling
GNU Make 4.1
Built for i686-pc-linux-gnu
Copyright (C) 1988-2014 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.
Reading makefiles...
Reading makefile 'Makefile'...
Reading makefile '/root/sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22-sandpoint3-G4/scripts/Kbuild.include' (search path) (no ~ expansion)...
Reading makefile 'include/config/auto.conf' (search path) (don't care) (no ~ expansion)...
Reading makefile 'include/config/auto.conf.cmd' (search path) (don't care) (no ~ expansion)...
Reading makefile '/root/sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22-sandpoint3-G4/arch/powerpc/Makefile' (search path) (no ~ expansion)...
Makefile:1449: *** mixed implicit and normal rules: deprecated syntax
Updating makefiles....
 Considering target file '/root/sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22-sandpoint3-G4/arch/powerpc/Makefile'.
  Looking for an implicit rule for '/root/sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22-sandpoint3-G4/arch/powerpc/Makefile'.
  No implicit rule found for '/root/sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22-sandpoint3-G4/arch/powerpc/Makefile'.
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 No need to remake target '/root/sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22-sandpoint3-G4/arch/powerpc/Makefile'.
 Considering target file 'include/config/auto.conf.cmd'.
  File 'include/config/auto.conf.cmd' does not exist.
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 Must remake target 'include/config/auto.conf.cmd'.
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 Considering target file 'include/config/auto.conf'.
  File 'include/config/auto.conf' does not exist.
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Putting child 0x9e83290 (include/config/auto.conf) PID 3422 on the chain.
Live child 0x9e83290 (include/config/auto.conf) PID 3422
GNU Make 4.1
Built for i686-pc-linux-gnu
Copyright (C) 1988-2014 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.
Reading makefiles...
Reading makefile '/root/sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22-sandpoint3-G4/Makefile'...
Reading makefile '/root/sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22-sandpoint3-G4/scripts/Kbuild.include' (search path) (no ~ expansion)...
Reading makefile '/root/sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22-sandpoint3-G4/arch/powerpc/Makefile' (search path) (no ~ expansion)...
/root/sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22-sandpoint3-G4/Makefile:1449: *** mixed implicit and normal rules: deprecated syntax
Updating makefiles....
 Considering target file '/root/sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22-sandpoint3-G4/arch/powerpc/Makefile'.
  Looking for an implicit rule for '/root/sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22-sandpoint3-G4/arch/powerpc/Makefile'.
  No implicit rule found for '/root/sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22-sandpoint3-G4/arch/powerpc/Makefile'.
  Finished prerequisites of target file '/root/sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22-sandpoint3-G4/arch/powerpc/Makefile'.
 No need to remake target '/root/sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22-sandpoint3-G4/arch/powerpc/Makefile'.
 Considering target file '/root/sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22-sandpoint3-G4/scripts/Kbuild.include'.
  Looking for an implicit rule for '/root/sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22-sandpoint3-G4/scripts/Kbuild.include'.
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Reaping losing child 0x9e83290 PID 3422
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 Considering target file '/root/sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22-sandpoint3-G4/scripts/Kbuild.include'.
  Looking for an implicit rule for '/root/sandpoint-x3/kernel-2.6.22-sandpoint3-G4/scripts/Kbuild.include'.
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 Considering target file 'Makefile'.
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Updating goal targets....
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 File 'zImage' does not exist.
  Considering target file 'vmlinux'.
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    Considering target file 'arch/powerpc/kernel/vmlinux.lds'.
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      Considering target file 'init'.
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Reaping winning child 0x9e82858 PID 3455
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                      Considering target file 'include/config/auto.conf'.
                      Recently tried and failed to update file 'include/config/auto.conf'.
make: *** No rule to make target 'include/config/auto.conf', needed by 'include/config/kernel.release'.  Stop.
done

is it clear? do you understand something?
 

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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2016, 04:30:47 pm »
Just switch to Windows and you will be happy again ;)
 

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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2016, 04:32:08 pm »
doing a make as root inside a root folder....

LMAO!

just hire someone to fix your problem.  I doubt you'll ever get there yourself.



 

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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2016, 04:54:46 pm »
and are going to react this way every time you hit a problem with a piece of code you haven't run for EIGHT YEARS

long life and prosper, looooooniiiiiiix, the following was "easy" to be fixed

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config %config: scripts_basic outputmakefile FORCE
        $(Q)mkdir -p include/linux include/config
        $(Q)$(MAKE) $(build)=scripts/kconfig $@

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# fixed
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config menuconfig: scripts_basic outputmakefile FORCE
        $(Q)mkdir -p include/linux include/config
        $(Q)$(MAKE) $(build)=scripts/kconfig $@


2132 -1 = just 2131 errors still need to be fixed  :-DD :-DD :-DD

not mention that I have  also a lot of hardware problems waiting to be solved
I am not the looooniiiix-guy, thus … 
… I am telling you what I am going to do: I am going to put my old (2008) laptop's stage4 into QEMU
since it was and it's still perfectly able to recompile the old linux kernel 2.6.22
this way I will avoid to
- have to understand what changed between 2008 Makefile and 2016 Makefile, and adjust scrips(1)
- have to understand what is going wrong with GCC-v5, and why it is refusing to compile the 2.6.22 kernel

then I really would suggest that career in ice cream sales you were mentioning.  :-DD

absolutely ;D ;D ;D ;D
 

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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2016, 05:01:36 pm »
human readable, at least in principle

there are 2132 errors, inside a hierarchical tree with things written sparse around, oh,
plus things that seem written by bot, do human beings write things with so much complexity?

because G-Boys and Loooooniiiiix-boys: want to be called "GURU"
while I am an ICE-cream salesman (and I sell just 5 kinds of tastes)

GNU make was tolerant in the past with some rules, but that was cleaned out:
A change -however technically justified- which makes things backwards incompatible is a no-go. Unfortunately many programmers don't understand that and don't see that changing a version means re-testing everything again which usually is a very tedious and time consuming task.
So unfortunately if you need to support older GNU software then you have to have a virtual machine with that version because newer versions are likely to break things.
How could you browse the net with your NCSA Mosaic?

Sometimes, you have to break API/ABI, this is how things evolves.
Could you drive a horse on a highway?

The makefiles was designed to be used with an old make version, which was  supporting some (probably) ugly rules mixing. It was decided that should be cleared, and that breaks the oldest makefiles using that "feature".

If the OP wants to build such old kernel, he needs to make this with a 8 years old system, or fix the makefile's rules to comply with the new gnu make semantics.

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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2016, 05:03:50 pm »
A change -however technically justified- which makes things backwards incompatible is a no-go.

precisely!

Unfortunately many programmers don't understand that and don't see that changing a version means re-testing everything again which usually is a very tedious and time consuming task. So unfortunately if you need to support older GNU software then you have to have a virtual machine with that version because newer versions are likely to break things.

exactly what I am going to do
 

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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2016, 05:09:46 pm »
… I am telling you what I am going to do: I am going to put my old (2008) laptop's stage4 into QEMU
since it was and it's still perfectly able to recompile the old linux kernel 2.6.22
this way I will avoid to
- have to understand what changed between 2008 Makefile and 2016 Makefile, and adjust scrips(1)
- have to understand what is going wrong with GCC-v5, and why it is refusing to compile the 2.6.22 kernel

Probably by far the best approach. That is an old kernel built with much older versions of the toolchain. I doubt it's worth the effort of trying to get it all to work on more recent versions of the toolchain, tbh.

I realise it's frustrating.. I've had similar issues all week myself porting some code - written just last year - to a newer version of the same product.. In my case, I have no option to turn back - the client insists on rushing firmly into the future full speed! :)

Anyway, best of luck.
 

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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2016, 05:18:28 pm »
I realise it's frustrating

precisely, I hope you can appreciate my dry humor in this topic
used to hide the sad Truth: linux is a very frustrating experience!
especially during the weekend (I have to respect a deadline)

the client insists

I have to provide a couple of Sandpoint boards to a customer (in China),
I was supporting VxWorks for an other customer in Automotive, I have a few skill with PowerPC and with such a board
(a few products are based on Sandpoint X3, and I played with them)

unfortunately my last customer doesn't want to pay the license (to Winderiver),
thus they asked the last available open source linux kernel with a customization
and here we are  :D

Anyway, best of luck.

thank you
 

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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2016, 05:22:29 pm »
here a few lines about "makefile-rule-error-mixed-implicit-and-normal-rules"
 

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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2016, 05:44:40 pm »
the above was perfectly working in 2008
thus WHY ?!?
they want to change things
with the result of making them broken ???

my pants :palm: :palm: :palm:

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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2016, 06:59:12 pm »
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include/linux/compiler.h:40:2: error: #error no compiler-gcc.h file for this gcc version
 #error no compiler-gcc.h file for this gcc version

interesting  :D


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gcc-config -l | grep powerpc

 [2] powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu-5.3.0 *
 

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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2016, 07:17:07 pm »
Without wishing to inflame things, I work on OSX, Linux and Windows, and they all deprecate stuff. However what I would say is that Linux will inevitably suffer much more from things breaking becuase it's essentially built by an enormous committee of people with unaligned aims.

As a result the average half life of an online recipe document for achieving something in Linux can usually be measured in a few weeks before it breaks, and then you're into a maze of rabbit holes to try to fix it. It's been like that ever since I started using it in the mid 90s.

OSX and Windows have their own rabbit holing to deal with, but your average recipe for those seem to have significantly better longevity.

As a suggestion to the OP, consider building a virtual machine template for you build environment, at least you stand a fighting chance at being able to build your software again reasonably easily in the furure. But I feel your pain.
 

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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2016, 07:27:32 pm »
doing a make as root inside a root folder....

LMAO!

just hire someone to fix your problem.  I doubt you'll ever get there yourself.

This is a very typical example of the sort of help you can expect if you have a problem with Linux and have to ask the "experts".  You can sort of see why Linux is still an also ran against Windows and OSX on the desktop...
 

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Re: I really HATE gnu and linux
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2016, 07:29:22 pm »
Well it is not linux specific. A few years back I had the dubious fun to fix some bugs in old VC6 code. It was a major hassle to get it to compile with an up to date version of Visual Studio.
 


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