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STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« on: June 20, 2022, 07:31:39 pm »
This is crazy. They don't even contain an ST CPU.

And a few months ago they were plentiful.
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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2022, 07:39:44 pm »
This is crazy. They don't even contain an ST CPU.

And a few months ago they were plentiful.

They do contain an STM32Fxxx MCU (STM32F103 for the V2, some higher end H7 afair for the V3)
A cheap source for them are the nucleo32 boards, these provide you with a detachable ST-Link V2.1 and cost even less than a genuine ST-Link V2
« Last Edit: June 20, 2022, 07:41:37 pm by capt bullshot »
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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2022, 08:00:42 pm »
Yes - just know that the ST-Link on Nucleo board do not have level shifters, so you are stuck with 3.3V (AFAIR.) But if your designs are on 3.3V only, they are plenty fine.
 

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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2022, 08:01:06 pm »
Unbelievable. So people are buying up these things, at 20 quid in 100+, and unsoldering the CPUs.
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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2022, 08:03:55 pm »
Things are getting pretty much as in wartime.
 

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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2022, 09:13:04 pm »
Unbelievable. So people are buying up these things, at 20 quid in 100+, and unsoldering the CPUs.
First they buy the nucleo boards which have two STM32 cpus onboard  ;)
But yes it is pretty awfull, like if you are hungry you will eat anything.
Some companies can not build the products they sell to keep in business due to parts shortage, what did you expect, they will stay dorment for two years till the storm is over ?
I am actually surprised there were no armed robberies of component  transports.
 

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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2022, 11:52:27 pm »
Unbelievable. So people are buying up these things, at 20 quid in 100+, and unsoldering the CPUs.
First they buy the nucleo boards which have two STM32 cpus onboard  ;)
But yes it is pretty awfull, like if you are hungry you will eat anything.
Some companies can not build the products they sell to keep in business due to parts shortage, what did you expect, they will stay dorment for two years till the storm is over ?
I am actually surprised there were no armed robberies of component  transports.

Just wait, it's cumming, the highway robbery of a mini van filled with rolls of 0402 resistors! The only time in planets history a resistor robbery was actually profitable......but by a very tiny margin! :)
 

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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2022, 01:36:41 am »
Things are getting pretty much as in wartime.


Maybe companies should start issuing ration books and stamps like in WWII.



Instead of points for meat and fish there could be points for STM32 MCUs and ST-LINKS.  :-DD
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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2022, 02:57:07 am »
Maybe companies should start issuing ration books and stamps like in WWII.

Be careful what you wish for!  (or joke about)

Many distributors are lying about (under-reporting) their stock levels, in an effort to limit hoarding perhaps, but when I need 10-20 of an item and they are showing me a low number it encourages me to snap them up now rather than wait.  I guess I need them anyway and I'm not a large company trying to make 10,000 of something so dribbling them out still makes sense.
 

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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2022, 03:11:31 am »
"Light" forms of rationing have already happened occasionally here and there for food these past months, and as Geoff said, it probably happens for some others goods as well in indirect ways. So far.

So yeah, while a good laugh never hurts, careful what you wish for indeed. =) We possibly ain't seen nothing yet.
 

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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2022, 03:30:58 am »
Same for some J-links last I looked.

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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2022, 07:15:53 am »
A year or so ago I wanted ~20 32F417 samples for development. A UK disti said they can supply 20 if I order 500. They quoted about 6 months for the 500. I placed the order (the price was good, about £5) and the 6m LT turned out to be totally fictitious. I didn't actually need them because I already had 100 from before and the first batch of this new product would be only 100. But we did chase them a numer of times...

Then suddenly they turned up. This tells me that this bubble is about to explode, but as always the distis are keeping it quiet for as long as possible whole booking orders at silly prices.
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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2022, 03:06:16 pm »
There are multiple sellers on Amazon.com selling ST-LINK/v2. The going rate seems to be around $60 (about 3x the pre-pandemic price).
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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2022, 07:58:40 pm »
Anything on Amazon or Ebay which can be counterfeited is counterfeited, these might be the same :)

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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2022, 09:39:15 am »
Anything on Amazon or Ebay which can be counterfeited is counterfeited, these might be the same :)
is it? https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/509509/how-to-verify-st-link-v2-original-or-fake i have the knock off small usb drive like, of course some IDE rejected it, but the latest i got is just like in the attached link. any proof that it is fake? no time yet to test, but its just $15, not really hurting if its fake. i believe at least it can program something, if not better than the knock off thumb-drive version.
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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2022, 10:35:08 am »
better than the knock off thumb-drive version.

I was looking at those, what is wrong with them?
 

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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2022, 11:05:19 am »
better than the knock off thumb-drive version.
I was looking at those, what is wrong with them?
maybe i've mistaken it with my knockoff Segger Jlink when i typed some IDE rejected it. but one thing for sure what is wrong with it is it doesnt look like official stlink v2 :P now i have both of them, including the fake Segger Jlink... i havent play enough time with arm mcu due to time constraint.
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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2022, 11:31:25 am »
better than the knock off thumb-drive version.

I was looking at those, what is wrong with them?

It's not the original, and legally it can't have the original ST-Link firmware inside.
Anyway, afaik the protection scheme is broken so I'd expect them to work. But they are cheap (and maybe not totally legal) knockoffs of the real ST-Link. IMO the original ST-Link is way cheap enough so I wouldn't buy knockoffs.
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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2022, 09:30:45 am »
I could never understand the market for fake STLINKs, when the real ones are dirt cheap. Maybe if you have just $10, somebody gave you the board for nothing, and you just want to flash an LED...
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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2022, 09:38:01 am »
Me neither, they are so cheap they were thrown in the garbage at my previous company.
Some idiot also threw in an Ulink2 ($300) nice find that was  :)
 

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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2022, 01:05:20 pm »
Maybe companies should start issuing ration books and stamps like in WWII.
If it gets worse for some reason, I honestly think government should create a shortlist of parts with major shortages and do this. Currently there's rationing for the really big customers who order direct from factory and the rest of the economy fights for scraps.

Alternatively leave it to the free market, but really. Distributors become clearing houses and ST sells futures at auction. Everyone can fight for scraps then.
 

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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2022, 09:24:35 am »
This is really funny...

Mouser now have 1500 of STLINK V3 in stock (looks like the shortage bubble is about to explode) but they are still imposing a buy limit of 1 per month :)

So I bought a few from Digikey, same price, have stock, no limit. I had a couple which were probably blown up.

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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2022, 04:47:49 pm »
At ST, things are very, very bad.
https://stcareers.talent-soft.com/homepage.aspx
There are many job openings with a very high technical threshold.
It seems to me that there is simply no one to work there. The whole company, every employee, every day, strictly according to the schedule, goes out to fight for their rights.

The alternative is ducks.
 

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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2022, 05:48:45 pm »
At ST, things are very, very bad.
https://stcareers.talent-soft.com/homepage.aspx
There are many job openings with a very high technical threshold.
It seems to me that there is simply no one to work there. The whole company, every employee, every day, strictly according to the schedule, goes out to fight for their rights.

The alternative is ducks.

My company see similar issues trying to find technical people.  Not from employees protesting but there just doesn't seem to be many technical people out there here in the US.

We found real ST-Link 3 Minnies on Mouser or somewhere but were limited to two (2) per customer at a time.

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Re: STLINK V2 and V3 debuggers are on a 1 year lead time
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2022, 07:30:48 pm »
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Must be an exciting job. And indeed it is:

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Within the Corporate Talent Management department, the Talent Development Coordinator will support and coordinate talent development actions in line with the overall talent management strategy in strong transformation.

You will be both a change agent and a driving force for the global transformation of talent development. As a member of the Corporate TD team, you will actively participate in the coordination of performance management and talent development actions.

Thus, your responsibilities to contribute to the achievement of the department’ objectives and will be:
- Assist in the day-to-day operations of the corporate talent development team
 ○ Liaise and coordinate with assessment companies - in partnership with our HR Business partners - the assessment of our talents
 ○ Coordinate activities with consulting companies.
- Support the organization of development actions and events for our talent pools
- Prepare the communication package for performance management and talent development for different audiences (HR, Managers and Employees)
- Help track our talent development analytics/metrics
- Support on the communication of our different initiatives, develop the storytelling with the different audiences to get them on board
- Manage the administrative tasks of our department and liaise with the purchasing department and the legal department

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Very good in Excel – especially making reports / analysis from very large data sets.
Data sets could be from multiple universes – example Talent history, Performance Ratings, Compensation, Learning Data.. and the role holder will need to summate all this into coherent reports for Top management
Analyzing Data; seeing patterns and suggesting possibilities from it
If the incumbent is good / or has early exposure in Power BI – it will be an added advantage over others
 
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Be able to convert the data into smart Power point slides for discussion with their boss
Good communication skills – spoken and written
Be able to communicate with other senior Managers – written and verbal, for specific tasks, including follow-ups
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What a load of corporate BS. No real person will meet these requirements.

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