Crazy the amount of swearing in this forum

[DrGeoff]

I've yet to see a decent Malcolm Tucker on this forum.

[Ian.M]

I didn't count any bad words in this thread, as any bad words, should already exist in the forum, otherwise their complaint(s), would be bogus.
But their opening post (OP), has contradiction(s).  If it was written by a significantly polite, and hence non-swearing person.  I suspect they wouldn't have used the RUDE/BAD word themselves, in that post.
I'm somewhat too polite to repeat or quote it here.  Hint: 'World is in ..' .

What RUDE/BAD word?   Thomas Crapper, a notable British plumber from the Victorian to Edwardian eras popularized the flushing toilet to the point his name was commonly used eponymously for it. 

Although sanitation engineering is seldom on topic here, there have been a few topics that touched on the subject, mostly to do with the difficulties of sensing so-called 'black' water levels reliably in an extremely aggressive corrosive environment with high concentrations of solids in suspension.

TLDR: S--t happens and engineers have to deal with it!

[Muttley Snickers]

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I keep count and put 10 cents in a jar for every 1000.   

I think swearing in the context of a post to enhance a statement is fine, but I don't think it should ever be used in the title of a thread, well sparingly anyway. In fact I once reported a thread which I felt had crossed the line and raised concerns that if the thread became popular then that profanity would be plastered all over the recent posts table on the landing page for all to see including guests, the moderator changed the thread title.
 

[vk6zgo]

I didn't count any bad words in this thread, as any bad words, should already exist in the forum, otherwise their complaint(s), would be bogus.
But their opening post (OP), has contradiction(s).  If it was written by a significantly polite, and hence non-swearing person.  I suspect they wouldn't have used the RUDE/BAD word themselves, in that post.
I'm somewhat too polite to repeat or quote it here.  Hint: 'World is in ..' .

What RUDE/BAD word?   Thomas Crapper, a notable British plumber from the Victorian to Edwardian eras popularized the flushing toilet to the point his name was commonly used eponymously for it. 

Although sanitation engineering is seldom on topic here, there have been a few topics that touched on the subject, mostly to do with the difficulties of sensing so-called 'black' water levels reliably in an extremely aggressive corrosive environment with high concentrations of solids in suspension.

TLDR: S--t happens and engineers have to deal with it!

Nah! They arrange to be "somewhere else", & Techs have to deal with it!

[james_s]

I'm a potty mouth from way back. I particularly enjoy profanity when used creatively.

I've noticed over the past couple of years, fewer people are holding back. The sudden F bomb isn't as surprising as the fact that the person finally said it.

One of the places I worked the CEO would frequently drop F bombs while presenting to the company. Personally I thought that was very unprofessional and it isn't something I would do in that position but it doesn't bother me at all when people around me curse. If it's used too heavily it wears out and loses its impact as well as makes the speaker sound like an idiot but here and there, who cares.

[MK14]

I didn't count any bad words in this thread, as any bad words, should already exist in the forum, otherwise their complaint(s), would be bogus.
But their opening post (OP), has contradiction(s).  If it was written by a significantly polite, and hence non-swearing person.  I suspect they wouldn't have used the RUDE/BAD word themselves, in that post.
I'm somewhat too polite to repeat or quote it here.  Hint: 'World is in ..' .

What RUDE/BAD word?   Thomas Crapper, a notable British plumber from the Victorian to Edwardian eras popularized the flushing toilet to the point his name was commonly used eponymously for it. 

Although sanitation engineering is seldom on topic here, there have been a few topics that touched on the subject, mostly to do with the difficulties of sensing so-called 'black' water levels reliably in an extremely aggressive corrosive environment with high concentrations of solids in suspension.

TLDR: S--t happens and engineers have to deal with it!

The perception, as to what is or is not acceptable language, varies, between different, countries, regions/districts, classes, occupations etc.  Also, it depends where you are and who you are speaking to.
For example, I wouldn't be surprised to hear a prisoner swear.  But would be, if they were a top doctor, while on duty at a large hospital.

E.g. If someone had a past engagement with the (late) British Queen, would they be happy to say such words, to a large audience, including the Queen?
I don't think I would.  Unless it was a very critical part of the speech, spoken with great care, and still probably NOT said in practice.

[floobydust]

I look forward to the official wrongspeak word list. All unacceptable words, let's see that list from the school/corporation/HR/forums etc.
Because I can't keep up. Swear words I used 20 years ago are apparently horrifying to Gen Z.

[Halcyon]

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I keep count and put 10 cents in a jar for every 1000.   

I think swearing in the context of a post to enhance a statement is fine, but I don't think it should ever be used in the title of a thread, well sparingly anyway. In fact I once reported a thread which I felt had crossed the line and raised concerns that if the thread became popular then that profanity would be plastered all over the recent posts table on the landing page for all to see including guests, the moderator changed the thread title.
 

Then the lines begin to get blurred. i.e.: What constitutes a "swear"? To me (and most other Aussies) "bullshit" isn't a swear word. But to some it is.

I have friends who use the phrase "'sup cunt?" which is usually used among friends to say "How are you doing?", as opposed to say "oh that cunt!" (negative context). Sure, your grandma probably won't like it, but that's how it is.

Despite the use of such "strong language", it's not as if every second word is a swear. Quality over quantity I say.

I look forward to the official wrongspeak word list. All unacceptable words, let's see that list from the school/corporation/HR/forums etc.
Because I can't keep up. Swear words I used 20 years ago are apparently horrifying to Gen Z.

Fuck that shit! Not going to happen. 

[Halcyon]

In fact, we have a saying in Government: "Chuck it in the 'fuck it' bucket".

[james_s]

I look forward to the official wrongspeak word list. All unacceptable words, let's see that list from the school/corporation/HR/forums etc.
Because I can't keep up. Swear words I used 20 years ago are apparently horrifying to Gen Z.

The ones that bother me are the non-swear words that have seemingly become worse than swear words thanks to the euphemism treadmill. It's such an illogical concept to me to stop using a word every time it becomes offensive and switch to something else that quickly becomes just as offensive. It stems from people not grasping the concept that words are merely vehicles for a message, and that message payload can be on absolutely any word. The message is what matters, not the word. Then you have people arguing that what matters is how someone else interprets what is said rather than what the person actually said, and that of course is something nobody can ever control.

[Muttley Snickers]

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Then the lines begin to get blurred. i.e.: What constitutes a "swear"? To me (and most other Aussies) "bullshit" isn't a swear word. But to some it is.

I can't remember exactly which thread it was now but in that instance the title included a "C" word. You were in fact the moderator who addressed the concern but I have since deleted the private messages.

Just on the subject of bullshit, I rang Energy Australia the other day to again complain about the sms reminder messages and other annoying notifications they keep sending, I used the term "bullshit" during the conversation and received a five minute pre-rehearsed rant about offensive language, FFS!

I have previously lodged two separate complaints with the ACMA about Energy Australia sending these bullshit notifications and they assured me it would never happen again, fucking wankers.

 

[Ed.Kloonk]

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Then the lines begin to get blurred. i.e.: What constitutes a "swear"? To me (and most other Aussies) "bullshit" isn't a swear word. But to some it is.

I can't remember exactly which thread it was now but in that instance the title included a "C" word. You were in fact the moderator who addressed the concern but I have since deleted the private messages.

Just on the subject of bullshit, I rang Energy Australia the other day to again complain about the sms reminder messages and other annoying notifications they keep sending, I used the term "bullshit" during the conversation and received a five minute pre-rehearsed rant about offensive language, FFS!

I have previously lodged two separate complaints with the ACMA about Energy Australia sending these bullshit notifications and they assured me it would never happen again, fucking wankers.

Oh, yeah. That's a old (bullshit) tactic used by call centres to fob you off. They infuriate you in the hope you'll snap and curse. They then say they won't deal with abusive customers-- click!

I know it's hard and I'm the worst one for giving advice not to be bellowing at them, but you have keep calmly reiterating your point. When they cannot help you they are forced to escalate to someone who can. You've just got to motivate them to do it. Sucks.

[EEVblog]

Just on the subject of bullshit, I rang Energy Australia the other day to again complain about the sms reminder messages and other annoying notifications they keep sending, I used the term "bullshit" during the conversation and received a five minute pre-rehearsed rant about offensive language, FFS!

 
I wonder if that's a button that the employee has been instructed to press upon hearing a list of keywords, or if it's automated voice detection?

[Ed.Kloonk]

Just on the subject of bullshit, I rang Energy Australia the other day to again complain about the sms reminder messages and other annoying notifications they keep sending, I used the term "bullshit" during the conversation and received a five minute pre-rehearsed rant about offensive language, FFS!

 
I wonder if that's a button that the employee has been instructed to press upon hearing a list of keywords, or if it's automated voice detection?

The exception is I bet Optus have their one turned off.

[Fraser]

I was brought up to be polite and not use the serious swear words. I was told that swearing showed a lack of communications skills, BUT, whilst that might apply in polite social gatherings, having been in the engineering environment all my working life, I can honestly say that swearing in one form or another is so common that if such offends a person, they need to find a new role in life as engineering is clearly not suited to them 

I have a pretty good mental filter on swear words and tend to ignore them now. I have heard most english language swear words and provided they are not being directed at me, I take no offence. That said, the C word is still an unpleasant one to find in conversation but the F word is so common as to not even catch me eye. I use it in the working world, usually when something has gone badly wrong ! I do not use it in front of my Wife, or if one slips out, I apologise. That is out of respect for her.

Now for a blatantly misogynistic comment from me ..... I am saddened when I hear women using the serious and more unpleasant swear words, especially in normal conversation where such is not really needed. I have always had the greatest respect for women and serious swearing just does not become them as the fairer sex.

The problem with using the more unpleasant swear word on a public forum is that many young eyes read these forums and some parents may not like them reading forums with a lot of foul language. It would be a pity to lose any younger forum members as a result of parental intervention. That said, many youngsters could likely teach me a few highly unpleasant swear words these days  I do not find this forum to be an environment in which serious swearing is common and that is great for everyone.

At the end of the day, words are not physical and do not harm anyone, it is the intent behind their use that does the harm. Communication is complex and takes many forms, some not so pleasant, swearing is as old as the hills !

When living in Australia I used to be amused and amazed at the swearing and abuse present in the Australian parliament sessions. I heard that the only word you could not call your political opponent was a "Mongrel" Not sure if that is actually true, or whether it was just my local Australian engineer friend pulling my leg ! The English parliament is far more restrained and boring to watch ! Note that I lived in Australia (Darwin) from 1989 to 1992 so things may have been a bit different back then 

Fraser

[Fraser]

Talking of swearing.... I have seen plenty fault dockets with disguised swearing on them to describe a units condition ....

FUBAR
Bu**ered
Fu**ed
F'ed
F'Up

etc 

In most cases, such fault descriptions helped little in understanding what the fault symptoms actually were and annoyed many of us techs in the base workshops who then had to test kit to determine why it was on our repair bench.

Fraser

[Ed.Kloonk]

Talking of swearing.... I have seen plenty fault dockets with disguised swearing on them to describe a units condition ....

NFG is one I get often.

[langwadt]

Just on the subject of bullshit, I rang Energy Australia the other day to again complain about the sms reminder messages and other annoying notifications they keep sending, I used the term "bullshit" during the conversation and received a five minute pre-rehearsed rant about offensive language, FFS!

 
I wonder if that's a button that the employee has been instructed to press upon hearing a list of keywords, or if it's automated voice detection?

Is the Australian list short or long?

https://youtu.be/DHQRZXM-4xI

[pcprogrammer]

It is not an expertise of mine, but you can tear someone a new one with normal words and have it hurt way more then with swear words.

Raised in the bad parts of The Hague I'm no stranger to the Dutch nor a lot of the English swear words, and have used them plenty a times when the situation called for them. Some people only understand your point when made with swear words. And when I hurt myself while doing something you can bet your ass that there will be harsh words flying around

I do try to refrain from them here on the forum though, because there is no need for it. But at times for a bit of a laugh it does not hurt.

[Circlotron]

The ones that bother me are the non-swear words that have seemingly become worse than swear words thanks to the euphemism treadmill.

Swearing is so gay.

[Gyro]

F**k me, two pages for a Bot. 

[themadhippy]

Amazing how whats classed as offensive here in the uk has changed in such a relatively short time,50 years ago you would rarely hear bloody or bugger on telly and fuck would result in a stream  of complaints,even goolies and cobblers was a bit edgy but  coon  and sambo was acceptable and in common use

[MK14]

Amazing how whats classed as offensive here in the uk has changed in such a relatively short time,50 years ago you would rarely hear bloody or bugger on telly and fuck would result in a stream  of complaints,even goolies and cobblers was a bit edgy but  coon  and sambo was acceptable and in common use

Yes, things like that have changed a lot.  I wonder how different things will be, in another fifty years, from now.

EDIT: Unfortunately, I wonder if (in 50 years time), we will be so tightly watched/managed by AI chips all over the place.  They could have laws, which mean if we swear at someone, we automatically get fined, perhaps £50 (so, forgot about current inflation rates £50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000), or 50 good citizen points.

[themadhippy]

Even some normal UK road name

we did have a gropecunt lane here,but the puritans got a bit wobbly and insisted it got renamed.How long before the twatts  in Orkney get relocated?

[MK14]

Even some normal UK road name

we did have a gropecunt lane here,but the puritans got a bit wobbly and insisted it got renamed.How long before the twatts  in Orkney get relocated?

I rewrote (removed old one) the post, because I thought it was a bit too contentious/political etc.  The risk would be, that some others might take offense at it.

On some long journeys, I see some surprising names, a bit like that.  I think the (old) top gear film crew, on driving through such villages.  Would stop there, film it and Jeremy Clarkson would make fun/jokes of the name, in his classic style.