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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2021, 05:40:08 am »
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Imagine my surprise, then, this morning, when looking through "Show new replies to your posts" to find that, although the Moderation thread came up complete, there was no "quote" or "reply" option, only a stupid "thanks" option.

"Weird", thought I , & resolved to look for the thread using  the main index.
When I found it, I was surprised to see no postings later than November 2020, & no explanation as to why.
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Maybe that's normal for OP's there IDK.  :-//

My bad! :-[

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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2021, 01:08:56 am »
Hi Dave,

with the new forum sections what are your thoughts on moving some of the established or even some of the more recent topics into them?

Obvious one is this 3D printing one for a start https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/3d-printer-yet/

a few others from recent topics as other maybes? Fairly easy to trawl into the last couple of pages of threads in general, beginners etc to find a few more.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/tensile-strength-solder-for-repairing-small-band-saw-blade/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/holy-crap!-cant-drill-holes-correctly!/

Depending on what you think do we add them here rather than PM/email?

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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2021, 01:54:38 am »
Cooking Noooooooo :palm:  :-DD

I'm not enthusiastic about this new section but what I am even more against is facepalming others interests. I definitely don't want to see an elite set of "acceptable" hobbies and then sneering at others excluded from that set.

If there was any worthwhile benefit to be gained from the new sections then it will be diminished if any form of intolerance to others interests is allowed to fester.

 

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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2021, 02:02:22 am »
Seriously look at my signature line and actually READ my earlier post here in this thread saying I would likely contribute! I am anything but anti food or cooking.

Don't throw muck unless you know the context the joking comment was made with.
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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2021, 02:28:04 am »
A forum area equally related to electronics, test equipment, design, manufacturing, and testing would be something like "Standards, Agencies, Testing, and Approvals". Consider EMC, IEC, UL, ATEX, UKCA, 61000, 61010, 60079, etc. Currently, postings on these topics are spread across several forum areas. A central place for these topics may allow for improved communication.
 

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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2021, 02:42:22 am »
Metrology sort of makes sense for those topics? If you want a collected index of existing ones maybe write it and ask to have it made a sticky?
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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2021, 04:02:06 am »
Metrology sort of makes sense for those topics? If you want a collected index of existing ones maybe write it and ask to have it made a sticky?

Metrology would make sense if the question were about, let's say, the use of the calibrated antenna, spectrum analyzer, or such equipment. However, if the question were about some detail in standards such as IEC 61000 or CISPR 16 then would that fall under Projects, Manufacturing, or maybe even Beginners?

I've seen questions related to standards and agencies when it comes to regional safety, regulations for transmitters such as Bluetooth, where the problem isn't how the electrically interface with it, but how to guide the product through testing and certification.

There are also questions related to RoHS and CE marking. With Brexit there is now UKCA, and all sorts of administrative trouble related to it. Approvals for China has also been changing over the last few years.

Perhaps a better title would be "Standards, Regulations, Agencies, and Certification" to describe the it.
 

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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2021, 04:54:42 am »
I didn't register the numbers as being product standards I only saw the first bit on Testing and standards.

As they vary across the world I can see a lot of couch exspurt comments in the threads in that sort of section already  :palm: RoHs is already a complete dogs breakfast around the planet.
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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2021, 05:18:41 am »
I didn't register the numbers as being product standards I only saw the first bit on Testing and standards.

As they vary across the world I can see a lot of couch exspurt comments in the threads in that sort of section already  :palm: RoHs is already a complete dogs breakfast around the planet.

Things like RoHs can be fixed if experts reach out to politicians...  it isn't going to happen by itself, or by waiting for corporate interests to get it right.
 

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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2021, 06:58:53 am »
Pointless reaching out to 'politicians' in Country or EU X. Australia's ROHS is nothing like an EU ROHS so rehashing that BS ad infinitum here at this stage us and NZ don't. This and similar rabbitholes would go political/economic/green/corporation and be in general a bad idea.

Standards are similarly Country/EU based discussions and as I mentioned earlier would only encourage couchsperts.
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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2021, 06:01:21 pm »
This thread is interesting all on its own.   You will never make everybody happy with respect to the right number of and type of subsections nor how they are named.   For example Solar technologies are now to the point that they are affordable to people like me so I thought a subsection covering Solar and off and on Grid technologies would be a good idea.   Then some time ago I realized that that was already covered in the power and Renewable Energy section.   The phrase "Renewable Energy" rubs me the wrong way because there is nothing renewable about energy.

As far as having a forums or sub forums, for 3D printing and CNC I really think that would be a good idea.   The reason is that 3D printing is advancing pretty fast and I can see the day where 3D printed circuit boards / assemblies are the norm and they will be very much 3D constructs on their own.   That is we will be building PCB in the near future with far more that on or two component layers.   CNC in a more general sense has applicability to just about anything made in the realm of electronics due to the need for enclosures.   Not to mention the machining of the actual PCB.

The problem I wee right now is that there are two good places to post related to these interests.   We have a Robotics and Automation forum and Manufacturing and Assembly, plus the ""off"" topic 3D Printing forum, which actually makes one think about where to put 3D printing and CNC posts.   I just see the organization right now as being a bit messed up making things confusing and frankly thins posts out across multiple sections.    So yeah I believe the topics are related enough to electronics to be accepted here, it is just a matter of finding the right organization, maybe not so much more forum sections but subsections. 

As to expansion I do believe that it is extremely easy to have to many forum sections that make it hard to select the right forum for a post.   The EEVblogs should have a minimal number of forum sections that get the job done.   When considering things like wood working that is harder to judge as if one is doing restoration work on old electronics half the challenge can be in the wood work.   I don't see it as totally worthless.

As for how I use the forums it is always via the web and a web browser.   I don't really consider the opinions of others that use alternative technologies as valid.   To me it makes about as much sense as the neckbeards that are complaining about E-mail that is not plain text.    I'm really sorry for the guys that can't adapt to modern technologies but modern E-Mail is one of the best things to happen to the whole concept of E-Mail.   In this world you either get with the times or fall far behind,
 

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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2021, 04:18:42 pm »
I see as a great idea. I also learn how to cook 3 years ago (yes for years I was considered the terror on the kitchen, able to make it look like a bomb site), and nowadays after being teach by my wife I started to do some foods that she teach me better than she does (although I think that it is her scheme to run away from the kitchen since she didn't enjoy cooking  :-DD). I don't mind and kinda like to experiment (until now only once the food has to go into the trash.

I would love to see also a section to Photography, one of my hobbies and probably the biggest one that I've been doing since I remember.

What I don't like is the attitude of some users that don't accept anything outside of the scope of the forum, and then go and make ultimatums like "If this happens I'm going/out of here" or the kind of user who didn't want to use their time to learn something new or filter/block a section of the website he is not interested.

From what I saw most users here are professionals with high scholar degrees and most of the topics are kept on topic, with people knowing how to filter what is off-topic and on-topic, keeping the off-topic to a minimum. If said users don't like something, they just need to express why, without the ultimatums. Then is a weighting of who wants and who don't wants and in a democratic fashion the option with most votes is the one who goes forward. Ultimatums for me is kinda childish and demonstrates insecurity in anything other than what they feel good about it.

And if said users don't feel OK with that, they just need to or block said section of the forum or simply log out from the forum and look for another avenue to read what they are interested in. There are a lot of other forums or platforms that for sure will have exactly what said dissatisfied user wants to. Or even start their own forum/website/blog/Youtube channel/discord channel.

I hope I didn't sound like a jerk (or probably I sound like it). I didn't want to hurt anyone feelings. It is a controversial opinion yes, I will not get a lot of friends for it (to be sincere I'm expecting some backlash) but it's my opinion, without ultimatums and I think I should be respected by it as I respect the others opinions.
 

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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2021, 03:02:30 am »
Could we *PLEASE* have an 'Aerospace' category/subforum to help get non-electronics related space launch and exploration, and aircraft stuff out of 'General Technical Chat'.

@all: Please thank this post if you also support an 'Aerospace' category/subforum and just want to vote '+1' without cluttering this topic.
 
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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2021, 04:07:05 am »
Could we *PLEASE* have an 'Aerospace' category/subforum to help get non-electronics related space launch and exploration, and aircraft stuff out of 'General Technical Chat'.
@all: Please thank this post if you also support an 'Aerospace' category/subforum and just want to vote '+1' without cluttering this topic.

I'm not against this.
Can you please list all the existing threads that should be in such a section. I'm not regularly watching every thread in the general chat section.
 

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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2021, 05:23:03 am »
As requested:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/starship-12-5km-launch-live/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/mars-copter-vs-mars-plane/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/f35-jet-has-crashed-into-the-sea-why/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/incredible-hand-made-micro-space-telescope/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/boon-bang-fai-talai-lan-pinwheel-rocket/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/elon-musk-is-a-delusional-moron/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/starship-is-now-stacked/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/we-need-traffic-lights-for-satellites/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/new-ufo-videos/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/scott-manley-vid-is-apollo-11s-lm-still-in-orbit-around-the-moon-52-yrs-later/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/flying-drones-in-the-us-now-requires-a-certificate/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/north-american-xb-70-valkyrie-feature-from-the-national-museum-of-the-usaf/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/betelgeuse-the-star/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/one-step-closer-to-suborbital-travel/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/one-step-closer-to-suborbital-travel/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/mars-helicopter/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/nasa-award-spacez-moon-landing-contract/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/one-day-until-seven-minutes-of-terror/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/starship-sn10-high-altitude-flight-test/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/lion-air-crash-jakarta-boeing-737-had-prior-instrument-error/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/and-now-the-boeing-777/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/spacex-sn10-just-landed-successfully/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/perseverance-landing-on-mars/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/starship-sn9-flight-test-in-lt-30-minutes-(disclaimer-here)/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/propellant-less-electric-spacecraft-engine/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/change-5-moon-rock-sample-collecting/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/nuclear-propulsion-in-space/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/acceleration-of-gravity-from-earth-on-objects-traveling-at-near-the-sol/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/starship-12-5km-launch-live/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/the-first-road-legal-flying-car-in-europe/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/spacecraft-capsule-just-landed-in-australia/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/adam-savage-reviews-bandais-1144-saturn-v-model/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/2000-drones-in-the-sky-of-saint-petersburg/
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/spacex-crew-dragon-launch-tonight-(sunday)/

I've gone back approx. one year for the above, and have tried not to list ones with heavy electronics content.

One of mine:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/wtf!!!-(french-airforce-fubar)/
I think Ed.Kloonk will also have some to nominate.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/spinlaunch-can-it-succeed/
isn't in 'General Technical Chat' and is certainly dodgy so I'm neutral on moving it, though it would fit the 'Aerospace' theme.
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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2021, 07:16:24 am »
It's very little traffic, I think general technical chat is exactly where technology like space flight should be posted. The rule for new forums "should be" that it attracts about a page of active threads or will quickly grow to that.

Look at the computing section, immensely popular topic but still struggling, I forewarned this. But it would help a little if people actually posted all computer related stuff there instead of general technical chat for exposure.

But tidying up the forums is more important. I'd redesign the massive list of forums so that it could be easier to navigate, this is why some forums are so inactive there is literally pages of them.

Taking a quick look I would: Merge all the EDA forums into one. Merge FPGA and Microcontrollers forums. Merge the computing section into one hardware one software. Merge Eevblog Specific and child forums into Eevblog. Merge Suggestions and Help into a new News/Suggestions/Help forum. Audio and general radio could be piggybacked into the RF forum. It has a large following and is essentially a subset of that branch of knowledge.

I'd also change this:

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Beginners
A place for electronics newbies to ask questions. Include detail & what you have already done to find the answer. Short "How does X work" questions are not proper forum etiquette. Assignment questions are ok, but show existing work.

Projects, Designs, and Technical Stuff
Show off your projects or other stuff you are working on. Talk about designs or ideas, ask technical questions, and share technical information. This is the big catch-all thread for anything electronic.

To this (for the whole page):

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Beginners
Newbies ask electronics questions and advice here, include detail and research.
Projects/Designs/Technical
Show your projects or work. Discuss and share design or technical questions.

Lastly large threads with no topic like the TEA thread don't add much to the forum, we already have many show your gear and lab super threads. New threads are easier to follow and get better user participation and revenue due to page ranking. Obviously 1000 (insert model here) threads are the exception, as they are topic based they are the super threads you do want (they attract users). The Rigol DS1054Z thread 370:1 views to replies is an example of that.

The TEA thread has about 60:1 views to replies ratio and when you consider the same people are contributing it's probably worse (doing a deep analysis of it). The "New Type of Automated Electric Guitar" thread is doing better at 70:1 and it's new and not even posted in the correct forum :).

Anyway I've mentioned some of this before.
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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2021, 08:04:45 am »
Hashtags on topics is what you really need. Don't ask me how to implement that, tho..
 

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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2021, 08:19:54 am »
Hashtags on topics is what you really need. Don't ask me how to implement that, tho..

Their is a a few Tag Mods but we don't want it to load this place any more than it is I reckon. example https://custom.simplemachines.org/index.php?mod=579

Google as a site search picks up keywords fairly well without it.
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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2021, 09:17:08 am »
But tidying up the forums is more important. I'd redesign the massive list of forums so that it could be easier to navigate, this is why some forums are so inactive there is literally pages of them.

Taking a quick look I would: Merge all the EDA forums into one. Merge FPGA and Microcontrollers forums. Merge the computing section into one hardware one software. Merge Eevblog Specific and child forums into Eevblog. Merge Suggestions and Help into a new News/Suggestions/Help forum. Audio and general radio could be piggybacked into the RF forum. It has a large following and is essentially a subset of that branch of knowledge.

Not all changes and new things are better.

There's a fundamental problem with all tree taxonomies like the Dewey Decimal system or forum topics: if you have an item that can reasonably be in more than one place, which place do you choose?  Simple example: a poorly performing voltage standard. Should that be in "repair" or "metrology"? Which do you ignore? Should you double post?

If you want to find an answer you search for it. You don't browse a hierarchy.
If you want to find new responses to topics that are already interesting, use "Show new replies to your posts".
If you want to find new responses to topics that might or might not be interesting, use "Show unread posts since last visit"

What cannot be done with the existing mechanisms and topics?
Why fragment hierarchies so that there's more cross-posting?

Why bother? What benefit would there be to having myriad finely divided topics?
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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2021, 11:09:24 am »
The correct answer is meteorology, ask and move it to repair if it's a fault.

I'm talking consolidate not fragment (aside from the TE forum later and done properly). I'm well versed in navigating forums (as well as designing them). I don't care, but Dave should be aware what impacts the forums ease of use, and you aim for active forums not inactive ones.

As I mentioned some forums like the EDA ones, 8 threads active across 8 forums in a week. Mechanical Engineering 1 post only. Cooking 3 threads active. Now theres a request for Aerospace. No offense to Ian.M but this is a good way to wreck your forums.

Visitors can't easily see new posts by topic without digging through the list. There is no unsubscribe button if you reply to a thread and it will keep showing up in your "replied threads". So the workable solution is to browse through "all new posts" as there is no "new threads" option. That is 3 strikes for usability before you tidy up the inactive forum topics :).

Anyway I've suggested half a dozen design fixes here and Daves only implemented a couple of them due to change management reasons. None of what I suggested impacts people negatively it's all minor tweaks and improvements, and if the forum is dependent on the tea thread for survival it has problems. I have a great solution for the tea thread but the other stuff is more important.
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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2021, 12:02:33 pm »
... I don't care, but Dave should be aware what impacts the forums ease of use, and you aim for active forums not inactive ones.

In your opinion, which is one of many.

It is too easy to break something which doesn't need fixing. New/different != better.
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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #46 on: December 02, 2021, 03:35:49 am »
It's very little traffic, I think general technical chat is exactly where technology like space flight should be posted. The rule for new forums "should be" that it attracts about a page of active threads or will quickly grow to that.

Looking at the sections:
Electronics: All sections have posts from today or within two days. So all seems ok there.
Products: All today or yesterday, so fine.
General: One is weeks old, but that's to be expected, those cateories like Contests and Jobs are imporant.
Computing: Again, all recent posts in each catgeory. But I can see the argument below.
EDA: Yeah, this a legacy thing, not that popular. Could be consolidated.

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Look at the computing section, immensely popular topic but still struggling, I forewarned this. But it would help a little if people actually posted all computer related stuff there instead of general technical chat for exposure.

But tidying up the forums is more important. I'd redesign the massive list of forums so that it could be easier to navigate, this is why some forums are so inactive there is literally pages of them.

Taking a quick look I would: Merge all the EDA forums into one. Merge FPGA and Microcontrollers forums. Merge the computing section into one hardware one software. Merge Eevblog Specific and child forums into Eevblog. Merge Suggestions and Help into a new News/Suggestions/Help forum. Audio and general radio could be piggybacked into the RF forum. It has a large following and is essentially a subset of that branch of knowledge.

Agreed on the EDA forum, they could all go into one "PCB/CAD/EDA" section under Electronics, doing away with the section entirely.
FPGA and micros, I'm not so sure. They used to be one and we split it IIRC. Both are very active.
Agreed on the News/Suggestions/Help merger.
Agreed on EEVblog content merger, I've never really liked that anyway.
Seven computing catgeories is too many I think. Hardware/Software/Vintage would be adequate.

Anyone have any objections to these?
 

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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #47 on: December 02, 2021, 03:45:07 am »
I've been wondering if a separate soldering category might make sense to add somewhere like the Products section. End of the day, I'll find whatever I'm interested in wherever it ends up.
 

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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #48 on: December 02, 2021, 03:51:10 am »
I moved the PCB/EDA/CAD section to Electronics, but kept the sub catgeories as child boards. I did merge gEDA with the main topic though, it's basically dead.
I can put them into the one big category, but it's not trivial to do, I have to move bulk lot threads manually. I put a note on the main section to title posts with the package in anticipation of this though.
The main page is already less cluttered.

The Computing section now obviously needs the same treatment.
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Re: New Off Topic Hobbies Section
« Reply #49 on: December 02, 2021, 04:13:42 am »
All EEVblog categories merged, and News/Suggestion/Help merged.
 
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