Will eevblog be banned in Australia for under 16's as well?

[vk6zgo]

Oh, my, don't tell me Australians are actually considering having  a Minister of Truth with police powers?  You are further away than just 16 hours.

There is no "Minister of Truth", You can be required to remove lies, but you won't be arrested.

[EEVblog]

Oh, my, don't tell me Australians are actually considering having  a Minister of Truth with police powers?  You are further away than just 16 hours.

There is no "Minister of Truth", You can be required to remove lies, but you won't be arrested.

If you refuse to remove the lies, you get a court summons or fine.
If you refuse to pay the fine or the court summons, eventually men with guns come to your door and arrest you.
So same thing, just takes more steps.

[jpanhalt]

Maybe Musk can do Australians a favor and send the ISS to eKaren when it de-orbits.

[Halcyon]

Oh, my, don't tell me Australians are actually considering having  a Minister of Truth with police powers?  You are further away than just 16 hours.

There is no "Minister of Truth", You can be required to remove lies, but you won't be arrested.

If you refuse to remove the lies, you get a court summons or fine.
If you refuse to pay the fine or the court summons, eventually men with guns come to your door and arrest you.
So same thing, just takes more steps.

There aren't any men in guns left. NSW Police is thousands of officers short of authorised strength. Some stations are closing because they can't fill shifts, some others are running at 50% capacity. I get the feeling "Cost benefit analysis" will be applied to a lot of jobs.

[EEVblog]

There aren't any men in guns left. NSW Police is thousands of officers short of authorised strength. Some stations are closing because they can't fill shifts, some others are running at 50% capacity. I get the feeling "Cost benefit analysis" will be applied to a lot of jobs.

So you are saying I can just stop paying my taxes because there is no one left to arrest me? 

[Halcyon]

There aren't any men in guns left. NSW Police is thousands of officers short of authorised strength. Some stations are closing because they can't fill shifts, some others are running at 50% capacity. I get the feeling "Cost benefit analysis" will be applied to a lot of jobs.

So you are saying I can just stop paying my taxes because there is no one left to arrest me? 

While you're at it, join the sov. cit. movement and start believing the earth is flat. 

[mikeselectricstuff]

Are they so dumb they don't realise that kids are smart enough to find workarounds for this BS?

[magic]

We already do (seriously), she is known as eKaren here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_Inman_Grant

Julie Inman Grant (born 1968 or 1969) is an American

In 2005, Grant became the Asia-Pacific director of internet safety, privacy and security at Microsoft

You guys need to build a border wall, or an ocean, or something to keep those people out

[magic]

Are they so dumb they don't realise that kids are smart enough to find workarounds for this BS?

Don't worry, they will spend some of your money to hire men in black suits to track down a few of those kids and take them away from their parents for "negligence".

Relevant classic:
https://xkcd.com/538/

And don't forget that you are already forbidden from reading information useful to terrorists, so I could post in this thread how to synthesize TNT and get you swatted.
It's that simple

[Halcyon]

Are they so dumb they don't realise that kids are smart enough to find workarounds for this BS?

It's the same bullshit that's been happening since the internet was a thing. I remember in high school, we had a SOCKS proxy which acted as an internet gateway to library computers, of course there was some basic filtering, and of course the kids got around it.

It's like Australia's non-compulsory DNS blocking of bad websites. Firstly, the ISPs can simply ignore the direction, and secondly, users can get around it with ease.

[EEVblog]

FYI, breaking news today, it looks like the infamous Misinformation/Disinformation bill will NOT pass parliment after several independent senators have said they'll vote against it.
This is potentially good news for ditching the ridiculous social media ban.

[EEVblog]

Are they so dumb they don't realise that kids are smart enough to find workarounds for this BS?

They are so stupid that they think that just because they can ban means that it's technicially possible.
Just when our PM at the time infamously said that the laws of mathetatics don't apply in Australia 
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2140747-laws-of-mathematics-dont-apply-here-says-australian-pm/

[Halcyon]

FYI, breaking news today, it looks like the infamous Misinformation/Disinformation bill will NOT pass parliment after several independent senators have said they'll vote against it.
This is potentially good news for ditching the ridiculous social media ban.

Happy days! Good old Pauline!

[Halcyon]

Are they so dumb they don't realise that kids are smart enough to find workarounds for this BS?

They are so stupid that they think that just because they can ban means that it's technicially possible.
Just when our PM at the time infamously said that the laws of mathetatics don't apply in Australia 
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2140747-laws-of-mathematics-dont-apply-here-says-australian-pm/

This is the same fuckwit who said replacing the old, corroding, decaying copper network with fibre optics wouldn't be worth it. They have now spent more money maintaining said shit network than it would have been to roll out glass to most homes. Only now are they playing catch-up. This same bloke used to work in the telco industry as well. A classic case of "What would the engineers know? I know better."

[EEVblog]

FYI, breaking news today, it looks like the infamous Misinformation/Disinformation bill will NOT pass parliment after several independent senators have said they'll vote against it.
This is potentially good news for ditching the ridiculous social media ban.

Happy days! Good old Pauline!

It was Lambie and Payman that pushed it over the line today. Payman was close to getting forced out of the sentate, so I suspect she went for the populist option to save her bacon, and it seems to have worked. A lot of people on X are saying they don't like her, but are all saying a genuine thanks for this one.
https://x.com/SenatorPayman/status/1857284271175774661

[EEVblog]

This is the same fuckwit who said replacing the old, corroding, decaying copper network with fibre optics wouldn't be worth it. They have now spent more money maintaining said shit network than it would have been to roll out glass to most homes. Only now are they playing catch-up. This same bloke used to work in the telco industry as well. A classic case of "What would the engineers know? I know better."

They just HAD to go for a different solution than the other party, even if it was half arsed 
For those who don't know, our National Broadband Network was the #1 issue at our federal election at the time, and the public voted for the half-arsed solution 

[themadhippy]

This is the same fuckwit who said replacing the old, corroding, decaying copper network with fibre optics wouldn't be worth it.

sounds similar to a certain uk pm but that was more to fudge the books ready  for  privatisation

[.RC.]

So my take on the NBN was it was a shit idea for the government to get involved again in the communications market after it had deregulated it and sold it all off.

The people with the worst internet connections got the stick treatment, while those with the best, got an even better one.

[Zero999]

Is that the same ABC News as the American Broadcasting Company?  I considered it could the the Australian Broadcasting Company, but then saw this:

American women join 4B movement as Trump's male-supremacist supporters threaten rape

 

That would fit reporting from the deranged American company.

In a Vietnam era (1969) the SCOTUS ruled that students don't “shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate.”   Although schools may require surrender of cell phones and the like so as not to disrupt classes, I doubt an age-related banning from social media would pass our constitutional test.  According to Google AI, Australia doesn't have the exact equivalent right, but its courts have ruled that freedom of expression is incorporated in other aspects of its constitution.

How much protection does the constitution really provide? It might stop blatant abuse and laws which limit free speech, but it didn't stop the Biden regime* putting pressure on big tech to censor things which they didn't like.

To those who supported it, or think I'm specifically attaching the Democrats. I wouldn't put it past the other side from doing the same thing. The same mechanism can be used to "clamp down on LGBT+ propaganda, harmful to children", "promote Christian values etc."

[coppice]

How much protection does the constitution really provide? It might stop blatant abuse and laws which limit free speech, but it didn't stop the Biden regime* putting pressure on big tech to censor things which they didn't like.

To those who supported it, or think I'm specifically attaching the Democrats. I wouldn't put it past the other side from doing the same thing. The same mechanism can be used to "clamp down on LGBT+ propaganda, harmful to children", "promote Christian values etc."

Its like election tampering. Both sides do it, but both sides attack the other for doing it. So, it does tend to keep things in check, even if they can stray pretty far in the short term.

[John B]

As per above, our government gravitates towards authoritarianism, but authoritarians aren't homogeneous. Leveraging that fact is probably one of the best ways for the common folk to retain some power over the political process.

I have to wonder how much of Fatima Payton's opinion on the matter is influenced by the fact that many of the far left found themselves on the wrong side of establishment leftists in regards to the Israel/Palestine conflict.

If this had been pushed through during covid I worry that Labor and Liberals alike would have been in agreement, and together they vastly outnumber independents and minor parties that would have voted against on principle.

[EEVblog]

I have to wonder how much of Fatima Payton's opinion on the matter is influenced by the fact that many of the far left found themselves on the wrong side of establishment leftists in regards to the Israel/Palestine conflict.

One has only to "read the room" to know what side is safest to be on. Especialy given the recent populist wins in various countries. Especially so when probably a majority of the country wants you physically removed from parliment and has called for your resignation.

Although technically they don't have the votes to get it passed, it only requires ONE senator to simply abstain from the vote and it will pass, it's that close. This ain't over yet.

[.RC.]

Well they introduced their laws, and they gave anyone 24 hours to lodge a submission about them.

Looks like the government minister shall have the power to say what and what not is to be banned.   Funnily enough youtube has already been ruled out.

63C   Age-restricted social media platform

             (1)  For the purposes of this Act, age-restricted social media platform means:

                     (a)  an electronic service that satisfies the following conditions:

                              (i)  the sole purpose, or a significant purpose, of the service is to enable online social interaction between 2 or more end-users;

                             (ii)  the service allows end-users to link to, or interact with, some or all of the other end-users;

                            (iii)  the service allows end-users to post material on the service;

                            (iv)  such other conditions (if any) as are set out in the legislative rules; or

                     (b)  an electronic service specified in the legislative rules;

but does not include a service mentioned in subsection (6).

Note 1:       Online social interaction does not include (for example) online business interaction.

Note 2:       An age-restricted social media platform may be, but is not necessarily, a social media service under section 13.

Note 3:       For specification by class, see subsection 13(3) of the Legislation Act 2003 .

             (2)  For the purposes of subparagraph (1)(a)(i), online social interaction includes online interaction that enables end-users to share material for social purposes.

Note:          Social purposes does not include (for example) business purposes.

             (3)  In determining whether the condition set out in subparagraph (1)(a)(i) is satisfied, disregard any of the following purposes:

                     (a)  the provision of advertising material on the service;

                     (b)  the generation of revenue from the provision of advertising material on the service.

             (4)  The Minister may only make legislative rules specifying an electronic service for the purposes of paragraph (1)(b) if the Minister is satisfied that it is reasonably necessary to do so in order to minimise harm to age-restricted users.

             (5)  Before making legislative rules specifying an electronic service for the purposes of paragraph (1)(b):

                     (a)  the Minister must seek advice from the Commissioner, and must have regard to that advice; and

                     (b)  the Minister may seek advice from any other authorities or agencies of the Commonwealth that the Minister considers relevant, and may have regard to any such advice.

Services that are not age-restricted social media platforms

             (6)  An electronic service is not an age-restricted social media platform if:

                     (a)  none of the material on the service is accessible to, or delivered to, one or more end-users in Australia; or

                     (b)  the service is specified in the legislative rules.

Note:          For specification by class, see subsection 13(3) of the Legislation Act 2003 .

             (7)  Before making legislative rules specifying an electronic service for the purposes of paragraph (6)(b):

                     (a)  the Minister must seek advice from the Commissioner, and must have regard to that advice; and

                     (b)  the Minister may seek advice from any other authorities or agencies of the Commonwealth that the Minister considers relevant, and may have regard to any such advice.

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[themadhippy]

And in english?

[jpanhalt]

When China invades, you'll hardly notice the change.