Will eevblog be banned in Australia for under 16's as well?

[.RC.]

And in english?

It is in the Kings English.

Essentially this.

   

(1)  For the purposes of this Act, age-restricted social media platform means:

                     (a)  an electronic service that satisfies the following conditions:

                              (i)  the sole purpose, or a significant purpose, of the service is to enable online social interaction between 2 or more end-users;

                             (ii)  the service allows end-users to link to, or interact with, some or all of the other end-users;

                            (iii)  the service allows end-users to post material on the service;

                            (iv)  such other conditions (if any) as are set out in the legislative rules; or

                     (b)  an electronic service specified in the legislative rules;

So that pretty much means any "service" where people can stop and chat via keyboard, including SMS.  By reading it (b) also allows the minister to add without any oversight any other website as it can declare something in the "legislative rules" which is weasel words* for everything else.  The minister may have to consult with esafety karen, but esafety karen by her actions seems to have a hard on for full on censorship. Some dickhead here did a pretty shit attempt at stabbing a religious minister in a place of worship.  The religious minister survived pretty unscathed and all the video showed was a blurry scuffle.  No blood or anything, yet esafety karen tried to ban that video from all Australian's.

What these rules will do is just drive younger teenagers to places like 4chan and darker places of the internetz that the government can not touch as they have no presence in Australia.


*another example of "weasel words" is state drink driving laws.  In one state it says such and such about being in control of a car, bike, scooter, horse, camel, emu, etc on public roads, then it pulls in the term "or elsewhere", which is defined as everywhere else.  Which means if you were sitting in your car in the garage listening to the radio, drinking your third beer and you have a blood alcohol level of over 0.05 (or zero if you were sitting in a truck listening to the radio), you can be done for drink driving.

[EEVblog]

So that pretty much means any "service" where people can stop and chat via keyboard, including SMS.  By reading it (b) also allows the minister to add without any oversight any other website as it can declare something in the "legislative rules" which is weasel words* for everything else.  The minister may have to consult with esafety karen, but esafety karen by her actions seems to have a hard on for full on censorship. Some dickhead here did a pretty shit attempt at stabbing a religious minister in a place of worship.  The religious minister survived pretty unscathed and all the video showed was a blurry scuffle.  No blood or anything, yet esafety karen tried to ban that video from all Australian's.

Which goes to show they are willing to use these power for purely political purposes.
Context for those who don't know, this was the biggest story in the country. Even the bishop who got stabbed wanted the footage to remain up.
All the social media companeis compied and removed the video, except X, Elon told eKaren to go pleasure herself. eKaren sued X and LOST.

They just got their arses kicked on the Misinformation bill which will not go through, now they are trying to push this U16 social media ban through with 24hours notice.
IMO there has to be somebody above our prime minister pushing him to do this, no politican is this stupid and willing through throw away their career for this.

[coppice]

They just got their arses kicked on the Misinformation bill which will not go through.

Are you sure, or is that misinformation? Was this a bill to formalise the government's right to misinform, or one to stop others telling the truth by defining misinformation as anything said that's against the government's interests?

[EEVblog]

Was this a bill to formalise the government's right to misinform, or one to stop others telling the truth by defining misinformation as anything said that's against the government's interests?

Both.
All the major independ senators are now against the bill so it doesn't have the numbers. But they might still stupidly try take it to a vote anyway.

[vk6zgo]

When China invades, you'll hardly notice the change.

The last time China successfully invaded anywhere was Tibet in 1951.
Their Invasion of Vietnam in 1979 led to a bloody nose for the PLA.

[.RC.]

Well eevblog did not make the initial ban list.   Funnily enough neither did facebook but for some reason twitter did. 

Teenagers will be banned from using Tiktok, Snapchat, Instagram, X and Reddit until the age of 16 in Australia

[jpanhalt]

When China invades, you'll hardly notice the change.

The last time China successfully invaded anywhere was Tibet in 1951.
Their Invasion of Vietnam in 1979 led to a bloody nose for the PLA.

1) That was hyperbole.
2) Remember the evacuation of Saigon?  All Vietnam today is communist and a satellite of China.   Do you really think all of that stuff marked "made in Vietnam" is really made in Vietnam and is not simply relabeled to avoid the stigma of made in China?

[EEVblog]

Well eevblog did not make the initial ban list.   Funnily enough neither did facebook but for some reason twitter did. 

Twitter/X is the only social media platform that matters for political discourse. It is where all the politicans post, it is where all news is made and debated and shared. Of course they want it entirely regulated and every single person identified.
No government can survive the free speech that Elon has brought, they have to either regulate it, or kill it.

[jpanhalt]

Well eevblog did not make the initial ban list.   Funnily enough neither did facebook but for some reason twitter did. 

Teenagers will be banned from using Tiktok, Snapchat, Instagram, X and Reddit until the age of 16 in Australia

I am amazed that such a great country with so similar a heritage as the US has gone that direction.  Some people assume our Bill of Rights, which along with the post Civil War 14th amendment ("Equal Protection") are often cited in cases involving individual liberties,  was a given during our Constitutional Convention.  It was not.  Opinions and sides differed strongly.  One side contended the Bill of Rights was simply duplicative of what the new Constitution already said.  Jefferson supported the Bill of Rights, and it was eventually passed.  If you are interested, those rights did not immediately apply to all states (See: Incorporation here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights ).  We still struggle with that "quirk."

I was ignorant about the Australian Constitution and searched Google last week to ask whether it included freedom of speech and expression like our 1st Amendment ensures.  Google responded that it did not and added that those freedoms were considered to be covered in other sections.  That immediately reminded me of the argument against our Bill of Rights.  Thank goodness Jefferson and his allies prevailed.  Australia is not alone, and Canada has similar issues.  I hope both are able to get it resolved.  As for England, we are not  governed by it anymore.

[.RC.]

Twitter/X is the only social media platform that matters for political discourse. It is where all the politicans post, it is where all news is made and debated and shared. Of course they want it entirely regulated and every single person identified.
No government can survive the free speech that Elon has brought, they have to either regulate it, or kill it.

Could just be the trojan horse to go after Twitter. "Won't someone think of the children!!" is an often used argument to create some seemingly innocent laws.  Terrorists is another common one. We even just saw a group of complete morons dress up in black and chant "white power" then at least in Queensland new laws were created giving the government minister the ability to outlaw any group or emblem they see fit.

I would not have thought teenagers would be using twitter that much.

I am amazed that such a great country with so similar a heritage as the US has gone that direction. 

I do not think deep down there are that many similarities between Australia and the USA these days.

Australia is far more socialist then the USA. Australian culture has a disdain for successful wealthy people, even if they are entirely self made and started with little.  While you will see the USA flag everywhere in the USA, you will struggle to see an Australian Flag in Australia.

The term "The lucky country" is probably most valid right now.   It is an old saying from a long time ago to describe Australia.   It is lucky in that it has incredible easily exploitable wealth in the form of minerals and natural resources that the country can afford to be run by second rate people and the people prosper by achieving so little.

[themadhippy]

and a satellite of China.   Do you really think all of that stuff marked "made in Vietnam" is really made in Vietnam and is not simply relabeled to avoid the stigma of made in China?

WALOB

[coppice]

When China invades, you'll hardly notice the change.

The last time China successfully invaded anywhere was Tibet in 1951.
Their Invasion of Vietnam in 1979 led to a bloody nose for the PLA.

1) That was hyperbole.
2) Remember the evacuation of Saigon?  All Vietnam today is communist and a satellite of China.   Do you really think all of that stuff marked "made in Vietnam" is really made in Vietnam and is not simply relabeled to avoid the stigma of made in China?

In 1979 there was a generation of experienced fighters in Vietnam, and there wasn't in China. It feels like that had a lot to do with the outcome. A war now would tend to be between two parties who haven't known real fighting for a generation or two. There are a lot of Chinese assembly factories in the north of Vietnam now, so I guess the Chinese invasion finally worked out.

The commonest thing in Vietnam is "assembled in Vietnam from imported components", often emblazened on a product's packaging. Final assembly is where most of the labour goes these days, and Vietnam has a lot of low cost but well educated people. The only reason Vietnam has not become a really massive assembly shop is its government tends to keep changing direction, and the foreign investors get screwed and back off. People like Samsung and Epson are probably big enough to kick ass if the Vietnamese government tries to screw them, so they seem to have really entrenched themselves there. I used to know a few smaller people who just had to cut their losses and move on.

[thm_w]

*another example of "weasel words" is state drink driving laws.  In one state it says such and such about being in control of a car, bike, scooter, horse, camel, emu, etc on public roads, then it pulls in the term "or elsewhere", which is defined as everywhere else.  Which means if you were sitting in your car in the garage listening to the radio, drinking your third beer and you have a blood alcohol level of over 0.05 (or zero if you were sitting in a truck listening to the radio), you can be done for drink driving.

I get what you are saying, and it probably should be written another way, but sometimes it is useful. eg you get drunk in a bar, walk out and smash your car into 10 other cars in a parking lot. Its not a "public road" but you should still face the consequences of drunk driving.

[John B]

Australia seems quite comparable in the political landscape to Canada, especially with the commonwealth association. The fact is Australia doesn't have freedom of speech. There's worryingly few politicians that actually respect the idea when it starts to become inconvenient to their party aspirations.

The first amendment in the US has been shown to be a piper tiger if it isn't enforced, eg the state is forbidden from using third parties to violate those rights, like 3 letter agencies pressuring social media companies to censor. But nonetheless there still is an additional roadblock to full on censorship.

I listened to the statement of a minister or senator that flipped his vote on the misinformation bill (to opposing it). What disappointed me is that he only opposed the bill on procedure, not on premise. Ie the bill was "flawed" in execution rather than rejecting the notion that it is or should be the governments purview to control public discussion. Keep in mind this is all in response to the public opposition to government policies in regards to covid, and a recent failed referendum.

On the social media ban, I accept there's going to be downsides to young teenagers having access to social media, but what is worse is normalising the idea that people need permission or authorisation to participate in free communication.

[.RC.]

I get what you are saying, and it probably should be written another way, but sometimes it is useful. eg you get drunk in a bar, walk out and smash your car into 10 other cars in a parking lot. Its not a "public road" but you should still face the consequences of drunk driving.

Those places are classed as public areas though.

Your garage is not as the general public does not have access to it.

[vk6zgo]

Twitter/X is the only social media platform that matters for political discourse. It is where all the politicans post, it is where all news is made and debated and shared. Of course they want it entirely regulated and every single person identified.
No government can survive the free speech that Elon has brought, they have to either regulate it, or kill it.

Could just be the trojan horse to go after Twitter. "Won't someone think of the children!!" is an often used argument to create some seemingly innocent laws.  Terrorists is another common one. We even just saw a group of complete morons dress up in black and chant "white power" then at least in Queensland new laws were created giving the government minister the ability to outlaw any group or emblem they see fit.

I would not have thought teenagers would be using twitter that much.

I am amazed that such a great country with so similar a heritage as the US has gone that direction. 

I do not think deep down there are that many similarities between Australia and the USA these days.

Australia is far more socialist then the USA. Australian culture has a disdain for successful wealthy people, even if they are entirely self made and started with little.  While you will see the USA flag everywhere in the USA, you will struggle to see an Australian Flag in Australia.

The term "The lucky country" is probably most valid right now.   It is an old saying from a long time ago to describe Australia.   It is lucky in that it has incredible easily exploitable wealth in the form of minerals and natural resources that the country can afford to be run by second rate people and the people prosper by achieving so little.

We don't much like wealthy people because wealth can so often be built on deceit & unethical behaviour.
So often rich people feted by the media "cut & run" when their business falls on bad times, taken as much as they can, including in some cases superannuation entitlements.

Remember Chris Skase?
The silly bugger, to avoid coming back to Australia to face court, pretended to have Emphysema, & whilst doing so, distracted attention from the real, deadly illness he had.

The Mineral companies would not agree about how "easily exploitable" the minerals & natural resources are.

As to flag waving, No, we aren't like the Americans or the Brits either---the flag is a symbol, nothing else.

If I want to see Australia, I can just go outside, I don't need a piece of cloth!

The USA, in many ways is still a revolutionary country.
Following the Revolution, they were worried, like many such countries about "counterrevolutionaries", hence  all the emphasis upon the flag, Constitution, etc, which has become tradition.

Australia evolved from colonies & the Brits, having learnt their lesson, fairly gracefully yielded to Australians' wish for Nationhood.
So it went that our govt is based mostly on the evolved form of the Westminster System of the late 1890s, rather than the much more archaic one of 100 plus years earlier.

[vk6zgo]

When China invades, you'll hardly notice the change.

The last time China successfully invaded anywhere was Tibet in 1951.
Their Invasion of Vietnam in 1979 led to a bloody nose for the PLA.

1) That was hyperbole.
2) Remember the evacuation of Saigon?  All Vietnam today is communist and a satellite of China.   Do you really think all of that stuff marked "made in Vietnam" is really made in Vietnam and is not simply relabeled to avoid the stigma of made in China?

Yes, it was the communist State of Vietnam which China attempted to invade.
A country can be communist & not a "satellite of China".(The fantasy of "monolithic communism" was BS in the 1950s & still is.)

Most people would more readily buy "made in China", rather than "made in Vietnam", as the latter is much more of an unknown quantity for manufactured goods.

[vk6zgo]

Well eevblog did not make the initial ban list.   Funnily enough neither did facebook but for some reason twitter did. 

Twitter/X is the only social media platform that matters for political discourse. It is where all the politicans post, it is where all news is made and debated and shared. Of course they want it entirely regulated and every single person identified.
No government can survive the free speech that Elon has brought, they have to either regulate it, or kill it.

I can vote my government in or out.
When did I get a vote on Elon?

[EEVblog]

Well eevblog did not make the initial ban list.   Funnily enough neither did facebook but for some reason twitter did. 

Twitter/X is the only social media platform that matters for political discourse. It is where all the politicans post, it is where all news is made and debated and shared. Of course they want it entirely regulated and every single person identified.
No government can survive the free speech that Elon has brought, they have to either regulate it, or kill it.

I can vote my government in or out.
When did I get a vote on Elon?

You got a vote on the platform when you decided to use it or not.
Elon set up an open and accountable free speech platform where everyone is equal.

[Tation]

You got a vote on the platform when you decided to use it or not.

Even if a majority of citizens in a country do not use X, does not remove X in such country. Plain BS.

Elon set up an open and accountable free speech platform where everyone is equal.

Been on X for just 2 months. Followed just two local, academic, accounts, but received suggested content from Musk & Trump. Everyone equal? Utter BS.

[magic]

I see that Dave has been radicalized


You guys are just envious that you can't afford to buy a website which tells people whom to vote for.
The only thing I don't understand - if you are so poor, why would you care about democracy at all?

[vk6zgo]

Well eevblog did not make the initial ban list.   Funnily enough neither did facebook but for some reason twitter did. 

Twitter/X is the only social media platform that matters for political discourse. It is where all the politicans post, it is where all news is made and debated and shared. Of course they want it entirely regulated and every single person identified.
No government can survive the free speech that Elon has brought, they have to either regulate it, or kill it.

I can vote my government in or out.
When did I get a vote on Elon?

You got a vote on the platform when you decided to use it or not.
Elon set up an open and accountable free speech platform where everyone is equal.

In fairness, I couldn't really comment on "X" without sampling it, so I joined up.
I'm sorry to say that I was underwhelmed.

There was no "political discourse" to speak of, all I found was a bunch of Trump supporters going "nyah, nyah, nyah ,nyah!" at supporters of the other side, who responded in kind.

I found no source of great truths there, in fact, it was pretty much like the crazier threads on Facebook, & even the comments on "Microsoft Start" news, although without the really weird "Community Guidelines" of the latter.

[themadhippy]

the only decent use of twatter/x  ive found is to call out companys for crap service,they tend to respond quicker than if you go through the email/customer services route.

[coppice]

Most people would more readily buy "made in China", rather than "made in Vietnam", as the latter is much more of an unknown quantity for manufactured goods.

Its interesting how that goes. Lots of Epson printers say something like "Assembled in Vietnam from components made in Shenzhen" on the box.

[DimitriP]

supporters going "nyah, nyah, nyah ,nyah!" at supporters of the other side, who responded in kind.

The only difference is which side is  "this" and which is the "other".
This is not a twitter "bug".
It's a planet earth feature.