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AvE's Bridge Videos
« on: March 18, 2018, 01:37:07 am »
Interesting (but predictable) how his original video got a lot of mainstream attention and subsequently a lot of new viewers and copped a lot of flack for his "crude shop talk" a.k.a foul language. And how he had to address this and tone it down in the 2nd video.
The age old problem if building an audience based on a certain style of video and language vs more "mainstream friendly" content.



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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2018, 02:19:01 am »
He has to do that from time to time. And I guess sensitive souls go away offended for a while, and then the new ones come in.
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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2018, 02:20:57 am »
I just wish he'd parked it for this video where people dying is fresh in my mind.
People are always dying, it is irrelevant to the engineering aspect of it. There are different sites for sending thoughts and prayers.
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2018, 02:30:42 am »
IAnd how he had to address this and tone it down in the 2nd video.
"If you can't handle an F-bomb, go f*** your hat, get out of here now" at the start of the second video doesn't seem to tone it down.
 
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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2018, 02:32:29 am »
"If you can't handle an F-bomb, go f*** your hat, get out of here now" at the start of the second video doesn't seem to tone it down.
He addressed it by having all "offended" parties leave. Why should everyone suffer because some people are too sensitive. I'm sure there are some kids channels out there.
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2018, 03:24:09 am »
He did give fair warning up front which is more than the construction supervisors gave those innocent people, they deserve to be cursed for all eternity for their incompetence and negligence.
 

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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2018, 03:36:29 am »
AvE is awesome. No, i don't think he toned down his language in the second video at all. He’s the same as always. There’s a reason he has 779k subscribers. He knows his shit and he is entertaining as hell.
 
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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2018, 03:39:19 am »
Meh, I'm indifferent to anything offensive nowadays. I've seen far worse from people higher up the chain than AvE, Dave, or even this blog combined. To me this is a case of "I'm a guest in someone else's house". If I see something that I think my host is doing wrong do I call them out on it? Obviously if it endanger's their life as well as yours. If its all just talk or just a different way on going about something thats easier for them, should I still say, "No no no this is how I do things"? I'm just saying how many times can you get away with telling someone else to do what you do in their own house before you're shown the door or that conversion gets "politely" shutdown. I do understand the concern but these are legitimate questions in this day and age.
 
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2018, 04:31:49 am »
He has to do that from time to time. And I guess sensitive souls go away offended for a while, and then the new ones come in.

People leave because they are not offended bug because they are disgusted. It is amazing that someone willingly and deliberately cuts his audience.
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2018, 04:37:48 am »
He has way more subscribers than EEVBlog, so I say he is doing OK. It attracts the kind of people he wants to attract, and if a bunch of whiners leave, so be it. You stop saying "bad" words, they will start attacking something else, it never ends.

Interesting how people just picked a few words and decided they can't say them. This is stupid, they are just words.
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2018, 05:01:28 am »
The first AvE video I watched I really disliked it, but then I started watching another one and another one. I’m not a delicate snowflake or anything so it wasn’t the language I didn’t like, probably just a different style to most.

Now, I love his videos. He clearly knows his stuff and this is no different. The mrs walked into the office when I had one of his videos playing and I don’t think she realized what was being said until the final sign off and she had to double take.

As an Aussie, the part that brought a tear to my eye was when he did the compressor tank video and he genuinely tried to learn some Aussie slang. I can say he knocked that one for 6.

For the videos about the bridge, it’s a tradgedy that people died because of the collapse, but people die all the time. He at no point made me think he was being disrespectful. He was stating facts and cutting through the bull.

 
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2018, 06:26:41 am »
I've always said, if I die in some horrible way, I don't want any of this "don't conjecture", or "now is not the time", everybody is welcome to debate loudly about what happened as they are scooping my brains from the pavement, and they can be as colourful in language as they like in doing so. 

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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2018, 06:50:08 am »
People leave because they are not offended bug because they are disgusted. It is amazing that someone willingly and deliberately cuts his audience.

He can say whatever he wants, including teaching his baby daughter to say keep your richard in the vise. Don't like it? Don't watch it!
 

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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2018, 07:05:52 am »
People leave because they are not offended bug because they are disgusted. It is amazing that someone willingly and deliberately cuts his audience.
You can't please everyone and you need hooks to stand out from the crowd and bind people to your channel. Once you settle on those hooks it's not necessarily a good idea to abandon them when you get a smell of success. Sometimes you can abandon your core audience and go more mainstream, other times you just lose it all.

From a marketing point of view it's hardly amazing he keeps cussing, it's done alright by him up to this point.
 

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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2018, 08:30:08 pm »
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The first AvE video I watched I really disliked it, but then I started watching another one and another one. I’m not a delicate snowflake or anything so it wasn’t the language I didn’t like, probably just a different style to most.
Opposite, here. First vid was entertaining. After the novelty wore off, it's like the guy that is initially intriguing but quickly tiresome. I imagine this is what David Lee Roth was like back in the 80's, lol.

I think he toned it down a lot, in his bridge videos. Or maybe it was just he fact he has interesting observations and explanations, esp in the second video. These are the first AVE video I haven't turned off halfway through in quite a long time.

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I think you're right. Personally, I watch the vids which seem like they might be interesting. I occasionally learn something. But I bet most people subscribe to hear the over-the-top Canuckery. I totally understand that. I think I could watch thisoldtony doing a video on painting a fence.   
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Re: AvE's Bridge Videos
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2018, 09:15:46 pm »
IAnd how he had to address this and tone it down in the 2nd video.
"If you can't handle an F-bomb, go f*** your hat, get out of here now" at the start of the second video doesn't seem to tone it down.

Later on in the video he refrained from a dad joke for reasons of "decorum". And you could tell his approach had changed somewhat, knowing and thinking a larger audience were watching this serious topic and came to watch the video for the technical stuff.
 

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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2018, 09:34:12 pm »
AvE is awesome. No, i don't think he toned down his language in the second video at all. He’s the same as always. There’s a reason he has 779k subscribers.

It's interesting to recall that nobody on this forum wanted that audience here when AvE asked if he could use this forum as his official forum and direct his audience to hear. I did a pole and it was met with a resounding no.
 

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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2018, 10:21:05 pm »
I simply don't like ave, so I don't watch ave.  :-// Subs aren't everything, sadly morons can get 1m plus subs. (not referring to ave) think pewdipie etc
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2018, 10:52:02 pm »
AvE is awesome. No, i don't think he toned down his language in the second video at all. He’s the same as always. There’s a reason he has 779k subscribers.

It's interesting to recall that nobody on this forum wanted that audience here when AvE asked if he could use this forum as his official forum and direct his audience to hear. I did a pole and it was met with a resounding no.

That must have been before I joined here, but I'm grateful to the members that voted it down. I enjoy AvE's videos and I am mostly a lurker here, but can't imagine how disorganised this forum would be now if his crowd had been integrated. Just thinking of the volume of "which this or that should I buy?" topics would be insane.
 

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« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2018, 11:57:33 pm »
AvE is awesome. No, i don't think he toned down his language in the second video at all. He’s the same as always. There’s a reason he has 779k subscribers.

It's interesting to recall that nobody on this forum wanted that audience here when AvE asked if he could use this forum as his official forum and direct his audience to hear. I did a pole and it was met with a resounding no.

It's POLL sir, not pole, symptom of AVE-itis?   ;D

I sat through both videos and he pretty much explained it very well to anyone interested, as well as the Enginerds

Let's see if the investigators do as well before it gets forgotten, till the next 'hurry up and finish it' collapse 


We had our own homegrown engineering fiasco here too, the Westgate Bridge collapse, not good    :--


 

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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2018, 12:00:19 am »
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« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2018, 02:38:44 am »
It's interesting to recall that nobody on this forum wanted that audience here when AvE asked if he could use this forum as his official forum and direct his audience to hear. I did a pole and it was met with a resounding no.

Apples and Oranges.  I like both - but they should not be mixed.
 

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« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2018, 02:54:51 am »
People leave because they are not offended bug because they are disgusted. It is amazing that someone willingly and deliberately cuts his audience.
You got it backwards there. The audience willingly and deliberately cuts itself. If you get your panties in a twist over something wholly irrelevant, you probably won't be able to deal with the interesting parts either. Besides, AvE has indicated that he likes the audience smaller. Apparently the signal to noise ratio is better that way. He's doing it for fun, not to make a living.

And seriously, disgusted rather than mildly offended? Either the former word is suffering from massive inflation or these people must have huge issues dealing with real life.
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« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2018, 03:43:50 am »
180 degree spin of the Youtube bottle and you have the Homesteading channels who are always nice and well mannered, with great tool tips and reviews
and will even pray for your soul if you're a non believer    :clap:   

so you don't go to hell before you do the  -Thumbs Up, Like and Subscribe-   thang   >:D 

I suspect AvE knocks back a few sometimes, before hitting the Record button
He's into the reds I think, betting on cask Merlot 

Anyways if a no BS engineering approach comes packaged with a few verbal whoppers here and there, we can either deal with it, ignore it,
pretend we understand what  '...been busier than a dog with two d***s' actually means   :o   and have a giggle,
or click surf elsewhere  :popcorn:

At the end of the day we are guests in his 'workshop' freeloading on his knowledge and experience, so why whinge when he gives the lowdown in his particular style?

Lots of AvE types in rural Australia,
bet you wouldn't complain about their strong language while they're getting muddy and wet in the rain
bailing you out of trouble in the middle of nowhere, with a clunky old tractor they always -beep-  fix themselves  :-+ 
 

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« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2018, 03:58:44 am »
Here is where it broke, if you look directly to the right of the crane you see workers on the section of the roof that gave way go into free fall (hopefully they survived). Four or so workers on the right slid inside but appeared to avoid being crushed as the roof held up on that section.





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Re: AvE's Bridge Videos
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2018, 04:28:45 am »
People leave because they are not offended bug because they are disgusted. It is amazing that someone willingly and deliberately cuts his audience.
You got it backwards there. The audience willingly and deliberately cuts itself. If you get your panties in a twist over something wholly irrelevant, you probably won't be able to deal with the interesting parts either. Besides, AvE has indicated that he likes the audience smaller. Apparently the signal to noise ratio is better that way. He's doing it for fun, not to make a living.

He's the 3rd highest Patron channel with over 13000 patron.
https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators
Even with everyone on the $2 level that's over $300k a year income from Patreon alone, probably another $100k-$150k a year from Adsense.
So if he's not pulling in $400k a year (before tax) from this Youtube gig I'll eat my hat. If he's not doing it full time with that sort of money then he's crazy.
 

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« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2018, 04:33:47 am »
Lots of AvE types in rural Australia,
bet you wouldn't complain about their strong language while they're getting muddy and wet in the rain
bailing you out of trouble in the middle of nowhere, with a clunky old tractor they always -beep-  fix themselves  :-+

Just to be clear, I don't personally care about the swearing or if he does it in the videos, completely his choice.
Just thought it interesting that one of his videos went mainstream and he had to address it.
 

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« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2018, 05:19:05 am »
I read the posts prior to viewing the videos, and from the comments, I was expecting some kind of insensitive, outrageous presentation.  A couple F-bombs surely doesn't upset me.  I thought his analysis and presentation was excellent.
 

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« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2018, 07:23:52 am »

He's the 3rd highest Patron channel with over 13000 patron.
https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators
Even with everyone on the $2 level that's over $300k a year income from Patreon alone, probably another $100k-$150k a year from Adsense.
So if he's not pulling in $400k a year (before tax) from this Youtube gig I'll eat my hat. If he's not doing it full time with that sort of money then he's crazy.

I don't watch many of his vids and I don't subscribe but occasionally the youtube AI. recommends one. In particular a road trip in BC's interior dated Feb 7 2018. I didn't watch the whole thing but he indicates it was a company road trip. :-// so likely still working a day job.


I am somewhat amused by Wilfred's reaction to what he calls AvE's "childish gibberish speech". This is a deep Canadianism and no doubt AvE hams it up to a degree just like Dave with his mailbag sword. His youtube landing page says: more Canadian than maple syrup. Australians in general get Canadians but this is one cultural corner that would be opaque to you. We are an officially a bilingual country with cultures that have been called the "two solitudes", yet each child is force fed the other solitude's language at some point in school. As a result, and in a mild form of rebellion, we intentionally mangle words and play word-fusion games with the other's language, our own language or any one else's! It is one of my own favourite diversions.

 In class  or caste based societies like India or olde England people often place great importance on elocution or dress or a myriad of other secondary indicators to assess  your "proper station". It would suggest Wilfred is toward the pom end of Australian sensibilities. (pom is not a word Canadians use so I hope this deployment is correct) Canadians in general abhor social climbing and deference to class. Both anglo Canadians and Quebecois have for generations been dismissed as rustic primitives by the respective colonial source nations, something that I know Australians understand.

On AvE's youtube about page there is this quote:
    "This channel has awesome Patrons. We have no need, nor any inclination to do corpo shill vids. If you are thinking you'd like me to review your fantastic new banana peeler, I invite you to please fuck off."
 
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« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2018, 08:51:23 am »
People leave because they are not offended bug because they are disgusted. It is amazing that someone willingly and deliberately cuts his audience.
You got it backwards there. The audience willingly and deliberately cuts itself. If you get your panties in a twist over something wholly irrelevant, you probably won't be able to deal with the interesting parts either. Besides, AvE has indicated that he likes the audience smaller. Apparently the signal to noise ratio is better that way. He's doing it for fun, not to make a living.

He's the 3rd highest Patron channel with over 13000 patron.
https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators
Even with everyone on the $2 level that's over $300k a year income from Patreon alone, probably another $100k-$150k a year from Adsense.
So if he's not pulling in $400k a year (before tax) from this Youtube gig I'll eat my hat. If he's not doing it full time with that sort of money then he's crazy.

Unless he's lying through his teeth, the latter seems to be true. As far as I can tell he still has his day job, which appears to be some kind of field engineer type of deal. His story is that he doesn't want to pander to money, in which case it makes sense to keep your regular job. If your livelihood is dependent on content, the content is inevitably influenced by that fact. That doesn't have to be a bad thing, but there's plenty of examples on the intertube that show us it can be a bad thing. He says he doesn't take sponsored or "free" equipment for the same reason. Besides, why go fulltime when you can do it on the side and still make a mint?

Is Adsense advertisement money? AvE actively steers people away from watching ads on his behalf, though it's possible many people still do.

I have to say I didn't really spot a change in the second bridge video. I watch a fair few of his videos and it seemed to be a fairly typical one, but I may be paying attention to different things.
 

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« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2018, 09:21:01 am »
I didn't notice a change worth noting in the second video either, only that he hammered down to verify his points without  'beeping'  up

The oscilloscope demo and explanation was excellent  :clap:


FWIW at the end of both videos he farewells viewers by advising they keep their private part in the vice/vise   :scared:

 

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« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2018, 09:33:02 am »
He's the 3rd highest Patron channel with over 13000 patron.
https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators
Even with everyone on the $2 level that's over $300k a year income from Patreon alone, probably another $100k-$150k a year from Adsense.
So if he's not pulling in $400k a year (before tax) from this Youtube gig I'll eat my hat. If he's not doing it full time with that sort of money then he's crazy.

Unless he's lying through his teeth, the latter seems to be true. As far as I can tell he still has his day job, which appears to be some kind of field engineer type of deal. His story is that he doesn't want to pander to money, in which case it makes sense to keep your regular job. If your livelihood is dependent on content, the content is inevitably influenced by that fact.

But most of his money comes in direct donations. No commercial influence at all.
It's a fact that he earns over $300k a year on those donations alone.

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That doesn't have to be a bad thing, but there's plenty of examples on the intertube that show us it can be a bad thing. He says he doesn't take sponsored or "free" equipment for the same reason. Besides, why go fulltime when you can do it on the side and still make a mint?

Freedom?
Why work for the man when you make a lot more on Youtube and have the freedom to do whatever you whenever you want?
Of course there could be many reasons, like having access to lots of tools or facilities or projects at work you couldn't hope to access even earning $400k+ a year.
Just liking it perhaps, or maintaining your "career" and skill set keeping it up etc.
Some people like lotto winners often go back to work after winning because they really don't know what else to do with themselves otherwise.

Mrs EEVblog for example continues to work even though there is no need for her to do so financially, we'd get along fine if she decided not to work. But she does it because she wants to maintain her career, and if I'm honest, that's at the expense of the EEVblog in terms of time I have to devote to the business.
i.e. from a purely current and future financial point of view it would make much more sense for her to quit her job and work for the EEVblog and help build the business ;D
Just like the plan was when he had our first child, she was earning more than me, so I was going to look after the kids while she worked full time because I had several side businesses I could do some from.
But then the blog grew and grew and the circumstances changed.

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Is Adsense advertisement money? AvE actively steers people away from watching ads on his behalf, though it's possible many people still do.

The majority still do. If he has adsense enabled then he's going to get a majority watching the ads, it's inevitable when you have a large audience. My estimate would be at least $100k a year from that. A good lot would come from random search views, recommended video views etc.
 

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« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2018, 09:38:31 am »
I suspect AvE knocks back a few sometimes, before hitting the Record button
He's into the reds I think, betting on cask Merlot 
I think he goes for a Comedy Central Drunk History vibe for some of his videos.  :)
 

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« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2018, 09:46:57 am »
He has to do that from time to time. And I guess sensitive souls go away offended for a while, and then the new ones come in.

People leave because they are not offended bug because they are disgusted. It is amazing that someone willingly and deliberately cuts his audience.
Cut? He built his audience doing what he does. People making sanitised technical videos don't have much appeal beyond those with an academic slant on life. That's a pretty small potential audience.

I think its unfortunate if AvE reacts in any way to the what people who will never watch more than one or two of his videos say. Its puts his appeal to his regular audience at risk, and his channel might fade away. Trying for wider appeal frequently leaves people with no appeal at all.
 

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« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2018, 09:53:08 am »
I don't watch many of his vids and I don't subscribe but occasionally the youtube AI. recommends one. In particular a road trip in BC's interior dated Feb 7 2018. I didn't watch the whole thing but he indicates it was a company road trip. :-// so likely still working a day job.
Any rational YouTuber will either keep their day job in some form, or at least keep up to date in the profession to they can easily slip back into a day job. YouTube and Patreon income is fickle. Basing your life on what you've been able to make for one or two years would be rather short sighted.
 
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« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2018, 09:57:34 am »
I think he goes for a Comedy Central Drunk History vibe for some of his videos.  :)
Not doing the Youtube thing fulltime might be the only thing between him and full blown alcoholism. Then again, that ship may have sailed. ;D
 

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« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2018, 10:10:35 am »
Any rational YouTuber will either keep their day job in some form, or at least keep up to date in the profession to they can easily slip back into a day job. YouTube and Patreon income is fickle. Basing your life on what you've been able to make for one or two years would be rather short sighted.

Any relationship where the balance of power is that lopsided is a dangerous proposition. Being fully dependent on income while Youtube can wipe you out without giving it a second thought is not a good place to be.
 

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« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2018, 10:23:45 am »
Any relationship where the balance of power is that lopsided is a dangerous proposition. Being fully dependent on income while Youtube can wipe you out without giving it a second thought is not a good place to be.

Most Youtubers are in that position, hence the massive popularity of Patreon which now at least gives them a 2nd source of income. But of course if your youtube channel gets shut down, the Patreon would soon dry up as well.
I'm rare in that I have Youtube + Patreon + Merch + Product store + direct website advertising. I'm the battleship of bloggers  ;D
 
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« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2018, 10:27:32 am »
Any rational YouTuber will either keep their day job in some form, or at least keep up to date in the profession to they can easily slip back into a day job. YouTube and Patreon income is fickle. Basing your life on what you've been able to make for one or two years would be rather short sighted.

In many cases online media and content creation has become their new career, so many might not want to go back to their old career even if they had one.
You can always go work for Buzzfeed  ;D
 

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« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2018, 10:50:21 am »
Any relationship where the balance of power is that lopsided is a dangerous proposition. Being fully dependent on income while Youtube can wipe you out without giving it a second thought is not a good place to be.

Most Youtubers are in that position, hence the massive popularity of Patreon which now at least gives them a 2nd source of income. But of course if your youtube channel gets shut down, the Patreon would soon dry up as well.
I'm rare in that I have Youtube + Patreon + Merch + Product store + direct website advertising. I'm the battleship of bloggers  ;D
YouTube income has a considerable risk of stopping dead on the spot, at the whim of YouTube. Patreon income is unlikely to die suddenly, unless you really annoy your audience, but it will become an increasing struggle to avoid it fading away once you run out of the more obviously appealing new ideas for videos.
 

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« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2018, 10:59:30 am »
YouTube income has a considerable risk of stopping dead on the spot, at the whim of YouTube. Patreon income is unlikely to die suddenly, unless you really annoy your audience, but it will become an increasing struggle to avoid it fading away once you run out of the more obviously appealing new ideas for videos.

Youtube could shut down your channel entirely with little to no notice under the three strikes system, removing your platform entirely.
 

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« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2018, 05:30:11 am »
Both anglo Canadians and Quebecois have for generations been dismissed as rustic primitives by the respective colonial source nations, something that I know Australians understand.
Hard to think of a more easily disbunked falsehood which is so frequently repeated.

The current head of the Bank of England is from "Canuckistan", and British television has long been awash with Australians like Clive James, Germaine Greer, Dannii and Kylie.

Tempted to be a lot more sarcastic about this, but will refrain for the time being.

 

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« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2018, 08:54:05 am »
Tempted to be a lot more sarcastic about this, but will refrain for the time being.

Not tempted at all to educate you on 400 years of Canadian history with or without employing sarcasm.
 

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« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2018, 09:13:44 am »
Hard to think of a more easily disbunked falsehood which is so frequently repeated.

The current head of the Bank of England is from "Canuckistan", and British television has long been awash with Australians like Clive James, Germaine Greer, Dannii and Kylie.

Tempted to be a lot more sarcastic about this, but will refrain for the time being.
Note that your statements aren't even in contradiction to each other. chickenHeadKnob speaks of generations, while you're referring to the current situation and recent history.
 

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« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2018, 09:37:49 am »
Meh.. I think, he thinks he's Red Green.
I think he goes for a Comedy Central Drunk History vibe for some of his videos.  :)
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« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2018, 11:05:37 am »
Meh.. I think, he thinks he's Red Green.
I'm yet to see the lodge. But if it weren't for Red Green I might have forever thought all North Americans were... dull.
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« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2018, 06:54:07 pm »
FWIW, there are Canadian's who speak this way, especially after a few pints..  I vaguely recognize a lingo and style either from New Brunswick or Sudbury - two mixed bi-lingual areas (living side-by-each, as we say) with the English trying to impress the French neigbours with crudism's and showing-off their French know-how. Very entertaining, but doubt he'd speak this way in a sober one-to-one chat.
 

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« Reply #48 on: March 20, 2018, 06:55:21 pm »
FWIW, there are Canadian's who speak this way, especially after a few pints..  I vaguely recognize a lingo and style either from New Brunswick or Sudbury - two mixed bi-lingual areas (living side-by-each, as we say) with the English trying to impress the French neigbours with crudism's and showing-off their French know-how. Very entertaining, but doubt he'd speak this way in a sober one-to-one chat.
I guess there'd be more agony due to the lack of libation.
 

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« Reply #49 on: March 20, 2018, 07:12:47 pm »
FWIW, there are Canadian's who speak this way, especially after a few pints..  I vaguely recognize a lingo and style either from New Brunswick or Sudbury - two mixed bi-lingual areas (living side-by-each, as we say) with the English trying to impress the French neigbours with crudism's and showing-off their French know-how. Very entertaining, but doubt he'd speak this way in a sober one-to-one chat.
I guess there'd be more agony due to the lack of libation.
On sober one-to-one chat, I refer to sober meaningful exchange vs. neanderthal shop talk (no suds required).
 

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« Reply #50 on: March 20, 2018, 08:44:22 pm »
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Yup. When piss drunk I often find myself using an accent/affectation that was common in the place I grew up. Which the weird things is I don't think I ever expressed it when living there.

AvE gets tiresome to me for the being outraged at the slightest hint of things not built/designed exactly how he deems to be correct. This seemingly serves to give him a reason to "get serious." So it's an endless mixup of maple syrup and soapbox/tirade. But offensive? No, not particularly. Just not the guy you expect to be covering a tragedy with recent deaths. One of his latest vids has the screen capture "Powerful Blow Jobber".

The One Hung Low thing Dave likes to say is more cringeworthy than anything I've ever heard on AvE.  Crikey! 
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« Reply #51 on: March 22, 2018, 12:41:47 pm »
How non-native speakers of English understand AvE: "Gentlemen, welcome back to the shop! Today, herpaderpahrgn lnglasbat ariasalarmahnf ocusyoufaackl fsnchin esiumxp wslkharr eprpa nlahdewc lawlarna purmpgnaaac lickalk rlkajr lkbjlnalg. Keep your dick in the vise."

So, if he tones down or up, we can't notice.

Just saying.
 

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« Reply #52 on: March 22, 2018, 01:43:20 pm »
As a non-native English speaker I can say that I have less problem understanding AvE's videos than understanding some other native English speakers.
 
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« Reply #53 on: March 23, 2018, 04:54:13 am »
As a non-native English speaker I can say that I have less problem understanding AvE's videos than understanding some other native English speakers.

+1.
 

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« Reply #54 on: March 23, 2018, 06:56:19 am »
I am a native English-speaker - and when I first listened to an AvE video, I wondered "What the ?!!?" - but I was quite amazed that, despite the fact he was using words and phrases that I had never encountered before, I understood exactly what he was saying, right from the get-go.

It was a bizarre feeling.
 

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« Reply #55 on: March 23, 2018, 02:44:36 pm »
I am a native English-speaker - and when I first listened to an AvE video, I wondered "What the ?!!?" - but I was quite amazed that, despite the fact he was using words and phrases that I had never encountered before, I understood exactly what he was saying, right from the get-go.

It was a bizarre feeling.

Lucky you. I had to resort to AvEspeak.com (seems down these days) to understand things like "Fat f*** in a pantsuit" (Santa).

Now I can say I am reasonably fluent, even when he decides to speak Franglais, Spanglish or Germglish.
 

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« Reply #56 on: March 23, 2018, 03:02:39 pm »
I'd seen enough Ricky in Trailer Park Boys before I ever watched AvE to be able to understand him immediately.
 

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« Reply #57 on: March 23, 2018, 11:24:39 pm »
AvE would have no trouble getting along in my area, he's easy to understand, with or without beer assistance   ;D

Come on guys, once the   'Gentlemen, welcome back to the shop, yibetty dar dar goo goo...'     =  :wtf: did he say/mean/imply/insult/profanity/ ???   introduction is over, he's straight into it   :-/O  = WYSIWYG     :-+ 


And seriously, I don't believe he expects everyone to keep their d!ck in a vice/vise   :scared:   till the next AvE shop session gets uploaded on Youtube

...especially the lady viewers, unless he has a new product review in the works so they don't feel excluded...      ???



:palm: )

 

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« Reply #58 on: March 24, 2018, 12:34:35 am »
AvE would have no trouble getting along in my area, he's easy to understand, with or without beer assistance   ;D

Come on guys, once the   'Gentlemen, welcome back to the shop, yibetty dar dar goo goo...'     =  :wtf: did he say/mean/imply/insult/profanity/ ???   introduction is over, he's straight into it   :-/O  = WYSIWYG     :-+ 


And seriously, I don't believe he expects everyone to keep their d!ck in a vice/vise   :scared:   till the next AvE shop session gets uploaded on Youtube

...especially the lady viewers, unless he has a new product review in the works so they don't feel excluded...      ???



:palm: )
The "Gentlemen, welcome back to the shop" has been declared to be gender neutral. I can only assume the dick in the vice is too.
 

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« Reply #59 on: March 24, 2018, 12:54:17 am »
I am a native English-speaker - and when I first listened to an AvE video, I wondered "What the ?!!?" - but I was quite amazed that, despite the fact he was using words and phrases that I had never encountered before, I understood exactly what he was saying, right from the get-go.

It was a bizarre feeling.

I'd think that the words and phrases being immediately understandable is the reason they came to be in the first place, they just seemed right

on a related note, it keeps surprising me that is seems it Americans have the most trouble understanding English with a
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« Reply #60 on: March 24, 2018, 01:04:28 am »
I'd think that the words and phrases being immediately understandable is the reason they came to be in the first place, they just seemed right

on a related note, it keeps surprising me that is seems it Americans have the most trouble understanding English with a
accent or dialect
I think most Americans are typically only dealing with other Americans, so that makes sense. Though the number is growing most Americans don't have a passport, and foreign shows aren't a staple in the typical American household. The rest of the world deals with several varieties of American English and a lot of other accents on a regular basis. In the US you mainly have the US accents and Mexican Spanish.
 

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« Reply #61 on: March 24, 2018, 03:42:03 am »
on a related note, it keeps surprising me that is seems it Americans have the most trouble understanding English with a
accent or dialect
Professor Henry Higgins from "My Fair Lady" had an interesting quip in the song "Why can't the English Learn to Speak"
 

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« Reply #62 on: March 24, 2018, 05:03:20 pm »
I'd seen enough Ricky in Trailer Park Boys before I ever watched AvE to be able to understand him immediately.

LOL. I actually ended up watching the movie on Youtube because of that comment.

But does the fact that AvE is Canadian account for his style?.

Take my "other" favorite British Columbian,  Paul of "Mr. Carlson's Lab" channel. His Canadian accent is noticeable (a boat, oat, instead of about, out), but his English is crystal clear.

His style is the exact opposite. No swearing, no dad jokes, no innuendos, very rare puns. It also helps that the audio quality is superb (The s.o.b. designed his own microphone).

As Dave points out, AvE's style is a matter of choice. Whose consequences he has to face. Seems to be the case with every major youtuber.
 
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« Reply #63 on: March 24, 2018, 05:27:59 pm »
As Dave points out, AvE's style is a matter of choice. Whose consequences he has to face. Seems to be the case with every major youtuber.
The consequences could be worse. Only 780698 subscriber and 162478661 views. Luckily not everyone is an easily offended snowflake.
 

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« Reply #64 on: March 24, 2018, 06:23:46 pm »
As Dave points out, AvE's style is a matter of choice. Whose consequences he has to face. Seems to be the case with every major youtuber.
The consequences could be worse. Only 780698 subscriber and 162478661 views. Luckily not everyone is an easily offended snowflake.

The word "snowflake" has been invoked. This discussion is a blond c*** hair short of approaching Godwin's law.

Could be even worse. He could have his channel shut down permanently. We don't want that. Do we?
 

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« Reply #65 on: March 24, 2018, 06:51:30 pm »
As Dave points out, AvE's style is a matter of choice. Whose consequences he has to face. Seems to be the case with every major youtuber.
The consequences could be worse. Only 780698 subscriber and 162478661 views. Luckily not everyone is an easily offended snowflake.

All it shows is how much human garbage we live with.

Now lets see how many of this human garbage is offended by this comment.
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« Reply #66 on: March 24, 2018, 10:59:03 pm »
The word "snowflake" has been invoked. This discussion is a blond c*** hair short of approaching Godwin's law.

Could be even worse. He could have his channel shut down permanently. We don't want that. Do we?
It suprises me how people try to maintain their moral high ground, despite the numbers indicating something different. AvE’s channel is massively more popular than the Mr. Carlson’s Lab. I don’t think AvE’s channel has been hit by strikes eiter, as opposed to many other channels that could be considered more PC.

People just need to accept a large portion of the world doesn’t take things as serious as they do and that other people prefer content over form. Youtube is popular because it offers content different from the sanitized and polished regular television shows. People flock to Youtube because they find people, channels and content that reflect their interests, rather than generic content that caters to the lowest common denominator. Trying to make it into an internet version of regular television will simply kill Youtube dead.

It’s obvious AvE’s channel isn’t for everyone. That’s okay. Accept it and move on. The world is a better place if we don’t try to make it all agree with our personal views and nothing else.
 

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« Reply #67 on: March 25, 2018, 12:18:46 am »
It suprises me how people try to maintain their moral high ground, despite the numbers indicating something different. AvE’s channel is massively more popular than the Mr. Carlson’s Lab.
People hasn't got yet what this topic is about.

No one is censoring AvE for what he does. We are just analyzing where it can take him.

His popularity may even be a "detrimental" factor to his present style. Think about that.

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AvE had at least one video taken down. The one where he showed two "peaceful" middle aged Canadians kicking each other asses with a priest (that tool used to kill fish).

That happened after his video trended on the first page of Youtube.

See how popularity here doesn't mean a thing. I mean, it does, but with a reverse effect.

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People just need to accept a large portion of the world doesn’t take things as serious as they do and that other people prefer content over form. Youtube is popular because it offers content different from the sanitized and polished regular television shows. People flock to Youtube because they find people, channels and content that reflect their interests, rather than generic content that caters to the lowest common denominator. Trying to make it into an internet version of regular television will simply kill Youtube dead.

How can we force people to accept that?

Dave nailed it when he said how much AvE is making with his videos. AvE has two kids to feed. They'll get more "expensive" as they grow up. He can't risk losing his channel because of something foolish he said or even did. That's what is at stake here.

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It’s obvious AvE’s channel isn’t for everyone. That’s okay. Accept it and move on. The world is a better place if we don’t try to make it all agree with our personal views and nothing else.

Even Pewdiepie had to recant after calling someone with the n***** word. More popularity, more responsibility.
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« Reply #68 on: March 25, 2018, 01:06:18 am »
I don't think AvE is depending on the income of his channel. So far everything he has said and done is tailored towards being free to do and say what he wants, rather than pleasing the public or sponsors. Sponsored goods or corporate gifts are not accepted, people are discouraged from seeing ads and at times people are even encouraged to unsubscribe. Other Youtubers that do obviously sponsored bits are called out and as far as I'm able to tell he still has a day job that pays his bills. This is different from many Youtubers that partially or fully depend on the income or associated sponsoring.

Unless it's all one big act to look sincere it seems AvE is not in it to make a living, despite the earnings probably being substantial. Though we can assume he's only human and doesn't mind the money either.
 

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« Reply #69 on: March 25, 2018, 01:30:03 am »
I don't think AvE is depending on the income of his channel. So far everything he has said and done is tailored towards being free to do and say what he wants, rather than pleasing the public or sponsors. Sponsored goods or corporate gifts are not accepted, people are discouraged from seeing ads and at times people are even encouraged to unsubscribe. Other Youtubers that do obviously sponsored bits are called out and as far as I'm able to tell he still has a day job that pays his bills.

He's earning at least $400,000 a year from Youtube and Patreon combined. I'm sure that's a lot more than he's earning in any day job.


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I don't think so. Like it or not I don't think there is any doubt were the majority of his income comes from, it's Patreon and Youtube.

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Unless it's all one big act to look sincere it seems AvE is not in it to make a living, despite the earnings probably being substantial.

It's easy to know almost exactly how much he earns as a minimum. He has 13,245 Patron on at least $2 a month, that's at least $317,880 a year just from Patreon alone. Probably $400k with some $5 backers.
 

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« Reply #70 on: March 25, 2018, 01:56:57 am »
He's earning at least $400,000 a year from Youtube and Patreon combined. I'm sure that's a lot more than he's earning in any day job.

I don't think so. Like it or not I don't think there is any doubt were the majority of his income comes from, it's Patreon and Youtube.

It's easy to know almost exactly how much he earns as a minimum. He has 13,245 Patron on at least $2 a month, that's at least $317,880 a year just from Patreon alone. Probably $400k with some $5 backers.
I'm just saying that having means to support yourself and your family without your Youtube channel makes for a different dynamic than when the future of you and your family becomes uncertain when that happens. There's earning a lot of money and there's losing your house when you don't.
 

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« Reply #71 on: March 25, 2018, 07:59:25 am »
Interesting (but predictable) how his original video got a lot of mainstream attention and subsequently a lot of new viewers and copped a lot of flack for his "crude shop talk" a.k.a foul language. And how he had to address this and tone it down in the 2nd video.
The age old problem if building an audience based on a certain style of video and language vs more "mainstream friendly" content.


Personally I don't like him. I don't know if people in his part of the world talk like that and I doubt it but I tire quit quikly of his "shop" talk, it sounds as fake as anything on TV it's just that on youtube he can say what he wants and sound as stupid as he wants but as far as I am concerned it's all an act. I never find the videos to hold much content so stopped watching a long time ago.
 

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« Reply #72 on: March 25, 2018, 08:17:02 am »
I'm just saying that having means to support yourself and your family without your Youtube channel makes for a different dynamic than when the future of you and your family becomes uncertain when that happens. There's earning a lot of money and there's losing your house when you don't.

Sure, but let's run the numbers.
Say an engineer might be on $100k/year.
If you are earning $400k/year "on the side", and that side business sucks up all your time (it does, trust me), it makes sense to quit the 9-5 job and devote to the $400k year job. Especially if you have a family.
Let's say your Youtube career is all over in 5 years and you are on the street again. Well, $300k a year put aside in savings gets you $1.5M spare change over those 5 years, plenty to last you for a long time until you can find work again. And when you are a high profile youtuber with 750k fans in a professional field, finding a new job or consulting work etc would be trivial.
I think he's nuts if he's still working 9-5, but hey, whatever floats your boat.
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« Reply #73 on: March 25, 2018, 08:29:40 am »
I would say AVE is taking the YT and Patreon money as investment money, using it mostly as seed capital for later on when the kids are growing up and there is a need for cash for tuition and such, and just uses the bare minimum as costs for the channel itself.  Would be smart to use that money while it is there to make the up front investment in the costs, and leave it to grow by itself, and not have the children be lumbered with an albatross of debt when they finish studying and are seeking income.

Despite his downplaying of things keeping the day job probably does pay him enough to keep the shop and channel alive, as he definitely does talk about the value of things when he takes the oversized and over the top opening methods for packaging. The tool teardowns to show up what is insode, and there generally is very little about the reviews that is not showing the product warts and all. yes he has biases towards things and such, but that is also something he also is aware of mostly, and also shows that he does not have the best stuff around, just uses what he finds lasts and works, or which was cheap and reasonable.
 

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Re: AvE's Bridge Videos
« Reply #74 on: March 26, 2018, 11:51:55 pm »
I think he's nuts if he's still working 9-5, but hey, whatever floats your boat.
I'm pretty sure he is not doing 9-5, more like consulting when needed. Hard to tell how much of his time it actually consumes.

Just based on some comments/videos, no inside info here.
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Re: AvE's Bridge Videos
« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2018, 12:48:06 am »
I'm pretty sure he is not doing 9-5, more like consulting when needed. Hard to tell how much of his time it actually consumes.

Nah, our hero is on a crusade against "fascism".

"I think we successfully rebuffed the advances of fascism for yet another fortnight or for... fascism in all its forms... uh... neatfreakism... the can'ts, the shoulds the... language police. It's a beauty having your own empire of dirt. You can do whatever the f*** you want."

Gotta love AvE.

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Re: AvE's Bridge Videos
« Reply #76 on: March 27, 2018, 10:27:05 pm »
Re earlier comments above:

You can't compare Mr. Carlson’s Lab with AvE, they are separate items, even though both hosts are Canucktites 

If you reversed their speaking roles, the content would still be the same

Mr. Carlson’s Lab I discovered by accident searching for capacitor tester Youtubes,

AvE (BoltR?) links are in your face no matter what tech surfing I do  :popcorn:

Maybe because he covers a broad spectrum? He even comes up on multimeter searches, that's how I came across his channel IIRC,
he was beaching on some clamp meter going south on him,
and on another video praising a cheap Fluke made in the advanced wing of OneHungLow Corp.


Admittedly my main 'latest video' searches start with Mr. Carlson’s Lab, John Ward and EEVblog of course

All three are easy on the brain and get on with it without the BS

...and no bench vice required  :phew:
 


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