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What to do with a huge-ass TRIAC?
« on: November 01, 2018, 01:04:40 pm »
When I went to my usual passive component supplier for some supplies, she gave me a used BTA41-800B 800V 41A TRIAC as a bonus out of blue.

What can I do with that?
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Re: What to do with a huge-ass TRIAC?
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2018, 01:17:04 pm »
It would work great to control a large heating element. In fact, that's probably the biggest use case for large triacs.
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Re: What to do with a huge-ass TRIAC?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2018, 01:19:59 pm »
It would work great to control a large heating element. In fact, that's probably the biggest use case for large triacs.
I cannot see me getting a 32kW heating element any time soon... That thing can switch 32kW of power.
 

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Re: What to do with a huge-ass TRIAC?
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2018, 01:29:17 pm »
It could be used as a crowbar.  >:D
 

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Re: What to do with a huge-ass TRIAC?
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2018, 01:30:46 pm »
TO-243 - that's a neat small one  :)

Anyway, most probably at the upper end of your typical Triac rated current range.
SCRs can do more, and way better suited as a crowbar than a triac



Imagine discharging a 900V / 500uF cap through some innocent compents (such as your triac), this SCR does a good execution job here (use it as the discharge switch).
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Re: What to do with a huge-ass TRIAC?
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2018, 01:34:47 pm »
The 800V rating gives plenty of margin for spikes on a 240V supply and after a 20% derating on the current, a more realistic max load would be about 7.5kW.

As for another use, maybe switching the primary of a large transformer used for spot welding?
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Re: What to do with a huge-ass TRIAC?
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2018, 01:37:59 pm »
I'd put it in my collection of trannies and alike for subsquent use at the old pensioners home when I grow old. There, to have some fun, explode a small tranny every weekday and on sundays a larger one. Will frighten the life out of the "wardens". Keep the large TRIAC for X-mas.....  8)
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Re: What to do with a huge-ass TRIAC?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2018, 01:40:41 pm »
The 800V rating gives plenty of margin for spikes on a 240V supply and after a 20% derating on the current, a more realistic max load would be about 7.5kW.

Yes, one can find a triple of them in a typical three phase powered hot water boiler, rated at total 18 ... 24kW.
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Re: What to do with a huge-ass TRIAC?
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2018, 01:41:10 pm »
The 800V rating gives plenty of margin for spikes on a 240V supply and after a 20% derating on the current, a more realistic max load would be about 7.5kW.

As for another use, maybe switching the primary of a large transformer used for spot welding?
I think I can get a few supercaps for relatively cheap, and this thing can tank 400A pulses no longer than 50ms... And I do have a few 19.5V 3A mains switch power supply (a genuine Dell laptop power brick and two bare board style power modules) for charging the caps through a switch mode constant current regulator.

TO-243 - that's a neat small one  :)

Anyway, most probably at the upper end of your typical Triac rated current range.
SCRs can do more, and way better suited as a crowbar than a triac



Imagine discharging a 900V / 500uF cap through some innocent compents (such as your triac), this SCR does a good execution job here (use it as the discharge switch).

What is the ratings on that one? Megawatt scale?

I'd put it in my collection of trannies and alike for subsquent use at the old pensioners home when I grow old. There, to have some fun, explode a small tranny every weekday and on sundays a larger one. Will frighten the life out of the "wardens". Keep the large TRIAC for X-mas.....  8)
Don't forget to maintain a largish LION battrey fully charged for this purpose. :-+
Brrr...
 

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Re: What to do with a huge-ass TRIAC?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2018, 01:51:55 pm »
What is the ratings on that one? Megawatt scale?
http://ixapps.ixys.com/datasheet/mcd200-16io1.pdf
216A DC continuous / 1600V, 8kA surge. More interesting for capacitor discharging is the I2t value, this gives you some hint how much energy this thing can absorb in a single pulse. Sometimes a limit for "explosive disintegration" is specified  8)
 At best a "medium size" for real power electronics ... Might be used for the line rectifier of a 300kW inverter / VFD.

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I'd put it in my collection of trannies and alike for subsquent use at the old pensioners home when I grow old. There, to have some fun, explode a small tranny every weekday and on sundays a larger one. Will frighten the life out of the "wardens". Keep the large TRIAC for X-mas.....  8)
Don't forget to maintain a largish LION battrey fully charged for this purpose. :-+
Brrr...
Naah, not brrr, rather have fun, fun, fun ;)


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Re: What to do with a huge-ass TRIAC?
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2018, 01:57:32 pm »
What is the ratings on that one? Megawatt scale?
http://ixapps.ixys.com/datasheet/mcd200-16io1.pdf
216A DC continuous / 1600V, 8kA surge. More interesting for capacitor discharging is the I2t value, this gives you some hint how much energy this thing can absorb in a single pulse. Sometimes a limit for "explosive disintegration" is specified  8)
 At best a "medium size" for real power electronics ... Might be used for the line rectifier of a 300kW inverter / VFD.
How to understand that I2t value?
 

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Re: What to do with a huge-ass TRIAC?
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2018, 02:02:15 pm »
How to understand that I2t value?
Same as for fuses. We call it "Schmelzintegral" in German, it's the integral of current² over time flowing through the device. If the specified value is exceeded in a single pulse / short enough time, the device fails / the fuse trips.
Usually the I²t for fuses is larger than for (comparable) semiconductors, so the semiconductor device protects the fuse. The fuse is still there, to limit collateral damage.
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