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Offline StealthrtTopic starter

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SFP breakout to another SFP
« on: August 07, 2016, 04:37:41 pm »
Hey all I am just wondering before I do this if its possible to connect 2 SFP sockets to each other in order to bring in the fiber connection and then take it back out the same way?

So in the image above, Pin 1 would hook up to Pin 1 on the second SFP socket. Pin 2 would hook up to Pin 2 on the second SFP socket, etc etc...

I'm doing this so that I can bring in the SFP connection into a server case and then once inside the server case I need to hook it up to a motherboard inside there that has the SFP connection.
 

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Re: SFP breakout to another SFP
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2016, 04:55:11 pm »
No. Most SFP modules have active electronics in them. They need power and I2C connections to program and enable the optics.

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Re: SFP breakout to another SFP
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2016, 06:03:41 pm »
So add a microcontroller and DC power socket?
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Re: SFP breakout to another SFP
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2016, 06:15:00 pm »
To better illustrate what I am trying to accomplish:
 

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Re: SFP breakout to another SFP
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2016, 08:35:48 pm »
Get a direct attach cable, and make a small board that has two SFP cages and does a 1:1 match (but swap TD and RD) between the pins on each cage. A direct attach cable implements a TD/RD pair swap, so your board will need to reverse that swap so you can plug in an SFP module. You will also need to provide power to the SFP+. According to the data sheet for a DAC, only the TD/RD pairs are wired, everything else is left open:
http://www.molex.com/pdm_docs/sd/739290001_sd.pdf

Make sure the connections are controlled impedance and routed as differential pairs, the signals passing through are very high bandwidth (1.25 Gbit/s).

Given all the trouble this takes, my suggestion (if you can't re-orient the server board to expose the SFP cage on one edge) is to use copper Ethernet and an external media converter.
 

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Re: SFP breakout to another SFP
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2016, 08:53:09 pm »
thanks radar_macgyver. would you be able to digikey link those things I need?

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Re: SFP breakout to another SFP
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2016, 11:03:27 pm »
this is what the ONT fiber hook up looks like that I am wanting to use (green connector).
 

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Re: SFP breakout to another SFP
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2016, 11:07:08 pm »
Why not just couple the fibre in instead of messing around with SFPs?
 

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Re: SFP breakout to another SFP
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2016, 11:11:25 pm »
Why not just couple the fibre in instead of messing around with SFPs?

Have an example from Digikey that you could point to?
 

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Re: SFP breakout to another SFP
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2016, 11:12:19 pm »
Why not just couple the fibre in instead of messing around with SFPs?

Have an example from Digikey that you could point to?

How about a keyword: LC-LC coupler. SC-SC coupler. Insert-fibre-termination-here coupler.
 

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Re: SFP breakout to another SFP
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2016, 11:13:45 pm »
Why not just couple the fibre in instead of messing around with SFPs?

To the OP: if you live in North Carolina, RTP/RDU metropolitan, I can fusion splice the fiber for you for free in case you want to take Monkeh's suggestion by passing fiber through a thin hole.

.. no, I mean a panel coupler..
 

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Re: SFP breakout to another SFP
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2016, 02:07:07 am »
.. no, I mean a panel coupler..

That's even easier. SC-SC couplers are everywhere, even on Amazon. Make sure to spend more money on ceramic based single mode couplers, since your single mode fiber requires better alignment which cheap brass based multimode couplers can not provide.
So something like this?
http://www.showmecables.com/product/SC-Female-to-SC-Female-Ceramic-Fiber-Optic-Adapter.aspx?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=ICFOA8SM01&gclid=CLu08ITdsM4CFYKCaQodiZoJzg
 

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Re: SFP breakout to another SFP
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2016, 02:08:49 am »
.. no, I mean a panel coupler..

That's even easier. SC-SC couplers are everywhere, even on Amazon. Make sure to spend more money on ceramic based single mode couplers, since your single mode fiber requires better alignment which cheap brass based multimode couplers can not provide.
So something like this?
http://www.showmecables.com/product/SC-Female-to-SC-Female-Ceramic-Fiber-Optic-Adapter.aspx?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=ICFOA8SM01&gclid=CLu08ITdsM4CFYKCaQodiZoJzg

Exactly. Whack that on your panel, plug your SFP in internally, patch a short piece of fibre between them. Job done.
 
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Re: SFP breakout to another SFP
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2016, 02:11:48 am »
Why not just couple the fibre in instead of messing around with SFPs?

To the OP: if you live in North Carolina, RTP/RDU metropolitan, I can fusion splice the fiber for you for free in case you want to take Monkeh's suggestion by passing fiber through a thin hole.
Nope not in NC. Trust me, I would take you up on your offer if i was :)
 

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Re: SFP breakout to another SFP
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2016, 02:22:39 am »
Panel coupler is the way to go, forget everything I wrote :)
 
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Re: SFP breakout to another SFP
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2016, 02:25:02 am »
Panel coupler is the way to go, forget everything I wrote :)
Forgotten :)
 

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Re: SFP breakout to another SFP
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2016, 02:49:14 am »
Should just point out: Green suggests it is an Angled SC connector or SC/APC (which would be consistent with it being used on GPON )  so ideally you will need an Angled SC connector and patch leads.
Just checking the vendor you linked to before I can only find an appropriate duplex (two fibre) coupler:
http://www.showmecables.com/product/Duplex-SC-APC-Female-to-SC-APC-Female-Single-Mode-Adapter.aspx

of course there is nothing to say you have to use both sides....
 


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