Electronics controlled valve for cooking gas bottle?

[Gyro]

I like the concept of micromorts (and the associated microlife https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microlife ) since, in a very understandable and useful way, they cut through a lot of crap about safety/danger.

Right, that's the last time I do more than 20 mins of moderate exercise! (having just got back from an hour at the gym with our PT, who specialises in those of us who are 'getting on a bit'). 1 measly microlife for an extra 40 mins of toil and sweat!

[tggzzz]

I like the concept of micromorts (and the associated microlife https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microlife ) since, in a very understandable and useful way, they cut through a lot of crap about safety/danger.

Right, that's the last time I do more than 20 mins of moderate exercise! (having just got back from an hour at the gym with our PT, who specialises in those of us who are 'getting on a bit'). 1 measly microlife for an extra 40 mins of toil and sweat!

That's a negative return: 30 mins gain for 40 mins spent

However, the microlifes are cumulative, whereas micromorts aren't. That ought to skew my "calculation" above.

Nonetheless, it is worth considering QALY. Would you prefer to drop dead exercising or have your body slowly decay in different and unpleasant ways? No simple answer to that question

[pcprogrammer]

I like the concept of micromorts (and the associated microlife https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microlife ) since, in a very understandable and useful way, they cut through a lot of crap about safety/danger.

I have never been to worried about death. If it comes it comes. But I do live healthier now. Way less sugar and a brisk walk every day. Never smoked and stopped with alcohol 10 years ago. Not that I drunk much, basically only at parties and dinners, and got drunk easily, which made me feel bad on the morning after, so decided no more.

And when I have to do a job that brings risk I evaluate on safety and take measures accordingly.

[Gyro]

Nonetheless, it is worth considering QALY. Would you prefer to drop dead exercising or have your body slowly decay in different and unpleasant ways? No simple answer to that question

Drop dead, no question! 

[pcprogrammer]

Nonetheless, it is worth considering QALY. Would you prefer to drop dead exercising or have your body slowly decay in different and unpleasant ways? No simple answer to that question

Drop dead, no question! 

Having seen slow decay of both body and mind, that for me is the answer too.

Don't know how it is in England, but in the Netherlands there is now an organization having a lawsuit about euthanasia and your right to get it. Hopefully it will become easier all over the world to get it done when you want it.

[tggzzz]

Nonetheless, it is worth considering QALY. Would you prefer to drop dead exercising or have your body slowly decay in different and unpleasant ways? No simple answer to that question

Drop dead, no question! 

Having seen slow decay of both body and mind, that for me is the answer too.

Don't know how it is in England, but in the Netherlands there is now an organization having a lawsuit about euthanasia and your right to get it. Hopefully it will become easier all over the world to get it done when you want it.

IN the UK there are the occasional challenges to the status quo, and even some lawsuits. All have failed, and it is stil lillegal to assist suicide -b ut enforcement is becoming less universal and less enthusiastic.

People do travel to Dignitas, with helpers.

Ought to ask the OP what the expected micromort values for his various dreams/nightmares are (or are considered acceptable).

[pcprogrammer]

Ought to ask the OP what the expected micromort values for his various dreams/nightmares are (or are considered acceptable).

Probably zero, because he is very concerned with the safety of the children Ukrainian citizens. 

[Gyro]

I remember watching Terry Pratchett's documentary on Dignitas (when he was first diagnosed with Alzheimer's). I was shocked - the end looked anything but drop-dead or painless!

'Drink this anti-emetic, wait a while. Now, last chance, drink this solution, you'll feel very thirsty but try not to drink'. The guy looked really distressed as he went.

[tggzzz]

Ought to ask the OP what the expected micromort values for his various dreams/nightmares are (or are considered acceptable).

Probably zero, because he is very concerned with the safety of the children Ukrainian citizens. 

The micromorts can't be zero, even though they might be dwarfed by those of Ukranian citizens.

[pcprogrammer]

I remember watching Terry Pratchett's documentary on Dignitas (when he was first diagnosed with Alzheimer's). I was shocked - the end looked anything but drop-dead or painless!

'Drink this anti-emetic, wait a while. Now, last chance, drink this solution, you'll feel very thirsty but try not to drink'. The guy looked really distressed as he went.

A proper euthanasia is painless but not instant, yet close enough. Both my parents are euthanized and I was there for both. They where first put to sleep with what is used for operations and when out cold, the agent that does the killing is injected. The heart stops soon after, and you slip away into eternity. Nothing scary at all.

Much better then jumping in front of a train or of a building and bother unsuspecting others with your wish to die.

[pcprogrammer]

Ought to ask the OP what the expected micromort values for his various dreams/nightmares are (or are considered acceptable).

Probably zero, because he is very concerned with the safety of the children Ukrainian citizens. 

The micromorts can't be zero, even though they might be dwarfed by those of Ukranian citizens.

We know that, but I was projecting the OP's vision on it

[Gyro]

A proper euthanasia is painless but not instant, yet close enough. Both my parents are euthanizd and I was there for both. They where first put to sleep with what is used for operations and when out cold, the agent that does the killing is injected. The heart stops soon after, and you slip away into eternity. Nothing scary at all.

Much better then jumping in front of a train or of a building and bother unsuspecting others with your wish to die.

This is exactly what had I assumed, but what happened in the documentary was nothing resembling that.

[pcprogrammer]

A proper euthanasia is painless but not instant, yet close enough. Both my parents are euthanizd and I was there for both. They where first put to sleep with what is used for operations and when out cold, the agent that does the killing is injected. The heart stops soon after, and you slip away into eternity. Nothing scary at all.

Much better then jumping in front of a train or of a building and bother unsuspecting others with your wish to die.

This is exactly what had I assumed, but what happened in the documentary was nothing resembling that.

Friends of ours are facing this for her mother and I understood that there is also the option to just drink some potion, and maybe that is less agreeable. I believe the mother choose for it, so will ask our friends how it was when it is over. The doctor told the mother to start practicing in swallowing a cup full in one go

[Gyro]

That sounds like it! Maybe you can find the documentary somewhere on Youtube, I think it was the BBC.

With every respect to the memory of your parents, the anasthetic followed by injection is the method used by vets in the UK. As you say, completely peaceful.

[pcprogrammer]

Found it on vimeo: video number is 229120539.

Somewhere around 54 minutes in, a person drinks the stuff, and it is indeed less peaceful then what I experienced with my parents.