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Offline ali_asadzadeh

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Is there any modern MC34063 part?
« on: November 20, 2018, 04:03:32 pm »
Hi,
I wanted to know if there are some newer parts with the Mhz working range, higher voltages and current or internal MOSFETS instead of BJT's. Do we have any option?
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Re: Is there any modern MC34063 part?
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2018, 05:15:10 pm »
Astonishingly, hysteretic controllers -- terrible as they are -- do still exist.

Fortunately, there are zillions of better alternatives!
https://imgur.com/a/M1S0DbI

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Re: Is there any modern MC34063 part?
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2018, 05:16:48 pm »
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Re: Is there any modern MC34063 part?
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2018, 05:56:08 am »
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Astonishingly, hysteretic controllers -- terrible as they are -- do still exist.

Fortunately, there are zillions of better alternatives!
https://imgur.com/a/M1S0DbI

Tim
Thanks, I know there are better ones, But I wanted to know if there are better ones that could be configured for, Buck,boost and inverting apps.

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NCP3063
Thanks, But it's some how still the same as MC34063 a little bit higher frequency.
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Re: Is there any modern MC34063 part?
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2018, 09:22:04 am »
I mean, if you want modern bad controls, TPS40200 and LM5085 for example exist for some reason.  Looks like they feign current... protection, at least, but that's nowhere near as good as actual current control.

TPS40211 is much better, more akin to a UC3843, which is, you know, actually current controlled. ;)  It's not gonna be directly buck compatible, no.  IMHO, it would be foolish to wish for such in a single low-pin IC (I'd dare use the '34063 as a cautionary example of why this is so).  Need buck?  Just tack on a bootstrap gate driver.  Boom.  Done.

Regulators are also available in a spectrum of voltage ratings, currents, frequencies and topologies.  You don't want a universal controller or regulator -- indeed, the market has spoken, diversity carries the day here!

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Re: Is there any modern MC34063 part?
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2018, 03:04:47 pm »
Astonishingly, hysteretic controllers -- terrible as they are -- do still exist.

Hysteretic controllers are not all bad; they do not require frequency compensation and this lack makes them very fast responding.

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Fortunately, there are zillions of better alternatives!
https://imgur.com/a/M1S0DbI

The same people who have problems getting the MC34063 (and 78S40) to work have problems applying any switching regulator to work.

The LT3470 is a modern part.  The CS51031/CS51033 is more comparable to the MC34063 but requires an external power transistor.
 

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Re: Is there any modern MC34063 part?
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2018, 04:22:01 pm »
... LM5085 for example exist for some reason.  Looks like they feign current... protection, at least, but that's nowhere near as good as actual current control.

I fail to see how LM5085 doesn't have an actual current control. It looks like they sense voltage drop in a shunt resistor, or Rds(on), and use a comparator on this to trig an off-time counter. For me, this is the very definition of an actual current control (or, to be more precise, one way to implement it), and this should guarantee the inductor current within a well defined band, and do it without subharmonic oscillation like peak current mode controllers; and do it without overshoot in all conditions, (compared to too slow average current mode controllers where the current signal controls the PWM block and may require compensation). What I'm missing here, what's the problem?
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Re: Is there any modern MC34063 part?
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2018, 11:55:35 am »
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The same people who have problems getting the MC34063 (and 78S40) to work have problems applying any switching regulator to work.

The LT3470 is a modern part.  The CS51031/CS51033 is more comparable to the MC34063 but requires an external power transistor.
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