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Am I paying too much to have PCBs made?

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Fungus:

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--- Quote from: mrpackethead on November 04, 2015, 01:53:23 am ---the dream of autorouting.. If you ask around the professuonal board desingers here ,there will be very few using auto-routing.. thats becaseu geenrally its rubbish

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I've found that autorouting is always worth a shot. I've done a lot of projects where it did a fine job

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Are you sure?  Upload a board design here for people to criticise...  :box:

rea5245:

--- Quote from: Fungus on November 04, 2015, 10:12:44 am ---
--- Quote from: rea5245 on November 04, 2015, 02:11:14 am ---I've found that autorouting is always worth a shot. I've done a lot of projects where it did a fine job

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Are you sure?  Upload a board design here for people to criticise...  :box:

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What a great idea! Take something I'm 100% satisfied with, and put it on the Internet so people can make me unhappy about it!

(I assume you're being facetious, Fungus.)

- Bob

Fungus:

--- Quote from: rea5245 on November 04, 2015, 02:03:28 pm ---
--- Quote from: Fungus on November 04, 2015, 10:12:44 am ---
--- Quote from: rea5245 on November 04, 2015, 02:11:14 am ---I've found that autorouting is always worth a shot. I've done a lot of projects where it did a fine job

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Are you sure?  Upload a board design here for people to criticise...  :box:

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What a great idea! Take something I'm 100% satisfied with, and put it on the Internet so people can make me unhappy about it!

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You're suddenly not so sure it "did a fine job"...?  :-DD

oodavid:

--- Quote from: rs20 on November 03, 2015, 12:19:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: oodavid on November 03, 2015, 10:57:22 am ---I too need to start thinking about PCB printing. Do any of the suggested board houses do Pick n Place too?

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Are you getting hundreds or thousands of boards made? Watch Dave's video tour of a pick and place facility to understand why getting 10 or less boards pick-and-placed for you is unreasonable.

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Yeah, the first batch <10 will have to be hand soldered, but looking at 100 - 200 I guess Pick n Place starts to look appealing! I guess I'd  like to use the same company to do the blank PCBs as the eventual PnP service, if only to have built up a rapport.

Pack34:

--- Quote from: oodavid on November 04, 2015, 03:54:20 pm ---
--- Quote from: rs20 on November 03, 2015, 12:19:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: oodavid on November 03, 2015, 10:57:22 am ---I too need to start thinking about PCB printing. Do any of the suggested board houses do Pick n Place too?

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Are you getting hundreds or thousands of boards made? Watch Dave's video tour of a pick and place facility to understand why getting 10 or less boards pick-and-placed for you is unreasonable.

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Yeah, the first batch <10 will have to be hand soldered, but looking at 100 - 200 I guess Pick n Place starts to look appealing! I guess I'd  like to use the same company to do the blank PCBs as the eventual PnP service, if only to have built up a rapport.

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Depending on size and complexity, it may be more work to setup a machine than to just assemble it yourself.

But do yourself a favor and do the paste and reflow process instead of doing everything with an iron. You can get a cheap oven for $200 or buy a kit to refit a toaster.

I wouldn't consider moving to a PnP unless I'm doing at least small batch quantities.

For the OP: I had to use ExpressPCB at my last job (ended up having to buy my own CAD tools to upgrade). I've personally been using ITEAD for prototyping. They aren't the quickest (a week and a half) but you typically get 10 boards for cheap. You'll also be limited to 4 layers max.

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