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Offline KL27x

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Re: Another "wiring pen" is born
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2019, 02:36:40 am »
^That's what I made out of one of my Oki wrap pens. I never found it very useful, though. I just keep a 1000 foot reel of wire in a dispenser, on the bench.
 

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Re: Another "wiring pen" is born
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2019, 02:45:11 am »
IME with enamel coated wire, stripping goes much better in a solder pot. You dip the end in, then you "swish it around" a bit, and the result is very clean and easy. This movement lets the enamel get stripped away, rather than melting in place and staying on the wire after you remove the heat source. The insulation turns into a little bit of scuz that forms on the top of the pot.

Of course, this isn't gonna help for the second end of the connection when stringing it along with a pen.

This is why I use kynar wire for prototyping where possible. The insulation is much bulkier, of course, but it strips really easily and leaves a perfectly clean, tinned/silvered wire end for easy wetting. And being able to break the insulation cleanly in the middle is a huge advantage. I almost always solder the second end of a connection like a "middle." I break the insulation, solder that second connection, then cut off the excess wire. By doing it like this, you don't have to turn the entire pcb around 180 degrees to get the second connection to take. I do not even use tweezers while using kynar wire, my left hand just holds the wire, sometimes wrapped around my fingertip. My right hand does the stripping and the wire bending/forming, using a combo chisel/stripper. So while I have to change between iron and strip/bend/cut tool, the ability to strip in the middle more than makes up for it, IMO. If doing a lot of wiring, I sometimes put the spool on a reel, near the project, and just keep it going in one long string. But it's normally easier to just pull off a long piece and keep going until it runs out. So when I'm wiring up a project with the 30AWG kynar, my trashbin receives a lot of leftover ends. I have a 1000 foot reel of kynar at my bench, on a dispenser/cutter. I use this stuff quite a lot, both soldering and with wire wrap.

If doing tight connections to IC pins in close proximity, it is often just as well to use bare wire and to keep the wires short. IME, shorts are a much easier problem to see/avoid/diagnose/fix than bad solder connections due to dirty wires. Basically, the possibility of creating a short between wires (and not realizing it) does not really worry me. Airgaps are fine. Conformal coat or box it up when it's done. But I'm not hand-wiring multiple SMD IC's with no protoboard or PCB... that's just not important for me. Anything that involved is easier to do in CAD, making an actual PCB, IMO.

I can relate to all of your points, you have obviously a lot of experience in this area  :-+

I'll be trying to deadbug some pins on a WLCSP64 BGA soon as I don't have the facilities to pcb or reflow one for a prototype, and at $0.90 for the mcu if I screw it up, well ... who cares ?

The picture is a 32 QFN STM32F051 using 0.5mm dia bare silvered wire and a soldering iron tip of about 5mm as my fine tip was worn out at the time. It worked fine with no shorts, first time.

 

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Re: Another "wiring pen" is born
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2019, 05:16:13 am »
I just noticed that wire wrap pens are still available, e.g. this one:
https://www.reichelt.de/faedelstift-wire-wrap-werkzeug-faedelstift-ww-p220367.html

The data sheet has a warning: When soldering through polyurethane enamelled wire a small quantity of TDI gas is produced. Use in well ventilated room.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2019, 05:19:30 am by mikron »
 

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Re: Another "wiring pen" is born
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2019, 05:28:12 am »
Funny how terms evolve. I don't know German, but that doesn't look like it can do a wire wrap.

I have seen these called vero pens or wiring pens. "Wire wrap" might be the right word in German, or maybe it just gets the right viewers/hits.
 

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Re: Another "wiring pen" is born
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2019, 05:54:25 am »
I just noticed that wire wrap pens are still available, e.g. this one:
https://www.reichelt.de/faedelstift-wire-wrap-werkzeug-faedelstift-ww-p220367.html

The data sheet has a warning: When soldering through polyurethane enamelled wire a small quantity of TDI gas is produced. Use in well ventilated room.

As KL27x said, that pen isn't for wirewrap, it is a enameled wire dispensing pen to do exactly the same job as mine.

A wirewrap tool will always have a metal barrel with parallel sides long enough to contain the winding and strong enough to take the strain.
 

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Re: Another "wiring pen" is born
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2019, 08:15:53 am »
The data sheet has a warning: When soldering through polyurethane enamelled wire a small quantity of TDI gas is produced. Use in well ventilated room.
From wikipedia:
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Toluene diisocyanate.
The LD50 for TDI is 5800 mg/kg for oral contact and LC50 of 610 mg/m3 for the vapour. Despite the indicated low toxicity, TDI is classified as “very toxic” by the European Community.
In the United States, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration has set a permissible exposure limit with a ceiling at 0.02 ppm (0.14 mg/m3), while the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health has not established a recommended exposure limit, due to the classification of toluene diisocyanate as a possible occupational carcinogen.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2019, 08:17:56 am by imo »
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Re: Another "wiring pen" is born
« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2020, 02:17:15 am »
What about the types of bobbin holders used for fly tying? (in the fishing community)
Ceramic low friction barrels, adjustable tension, and commonly used with much finer and more fragile filaments than 30set wire.
It’s an idea
 

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Re: Another "wiring pen" is born
« Reply #32 on: January 01, 2020, 02:24:02 am »
I have similar to the one in my attached photo. They range from $5 US and up

 this one is adjustable tension… It is about $20. Much finer than these wiring pencils I have seen. And the barrel is ceramic so it is totally heat proof.

https://www.caddisflyshop.com/stonfo-elite-bobbin.html
 

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Re: Another "wiring pen" is born
« Reply #33 on: January 01, 2020, 01:53:43 pm »
Funny how terms evolve. I don't know German, but that doesn't look like it can do a wire wrap.

I have seen these called vero pens or wiring pens. "Wire wrap" might be the right word in German, or maybe it just gets the right viewers/hits.
It's nothing more than a mistake by a data entry drone. "Wire wrap" in German means exactly what it does in the original English.
 

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Re: Another "wiring pen" is born
« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2020, 03:54:38 pm »
maybe you need to debur the outlet of the pen with a fine stone, if its a cylinder meant for dispensing grapite it might be sharp for plastic on wire
 

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Re: Another "wiring pen" is born
« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2020, 06:30:02 pm »
We purchased the 0.2mm polyurethane enameled red wire because of the claimed "easy soldering" in a blob of solder.
Frankly, seasoned persons here tried hard with it, the enamel gets removed, but definitely not in an easy way..  :--

I do this all time. Get a fat blob of solder on the tip of the iron, push the wire in and run it (the solder blob) over the wire end a few times and the coating disappears in seconds.

Yes, I use this method as well with enamelled 0.2mm wire (I have a 500g Rowan Cable bobin that seems to last forever ;D )
Works fine.

Don't expect to be able to solder the end of the wire directly without running it through a solder blob for a few seconds first as you said. That would be handy, but it just doesn't work. And I guess any protective layer that would allow this would probably be very fragile, would tend to melt past the point you want it to melt, and would probably not be as durable...




 

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Re: Another "wiring pen" is born
« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2022, 12:11:20 pm »
An update - after the wire spent several years gathering dust on the shelf I've tried again with the same 0.2mm red 155C polyurethane enameled wire, this time with my old Weller 50W/24V iron (with a bit larger temperature compared to the old iron I used to use before)..
The coating at the end of the wire disappears in 2 seconds in a blob of solder at the iron's tip. When soldering the coated end of the wire to the pcb (ie. near a leg of a part soldered in) I need 4 seconds to get rid of the coating. When passing a length of the coated wire along the leg I need 7-8 seconds to get rid of the coating. Thus it works with higher temperatures, it seems. Soldering onto a pcb or when not at the wire's end will cool down the wire a bit thus you would need much more time to de-coat it..
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Re: Another "wiring pen" is born
« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2022, 10:32:11 pm »
We purchased the 0.2mm polyurethane enameled red wire because of the claimed "easy soldering" in a blob of solder.
Frankly, seasoned persons here tried hard with it, the enamel gets removed, but definitely not in an easy way..  :--

I do this all time. Get a fat blob of solder on the tip of the iron, push the wire in and run it (the solder blob) over the wire end a few times and the coating disappears in seconds.
Can confirm. Have done this recently with earbud wire that is enameled magnet wire coiled around a fiber core.
 

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Re: Another "wiring pen" is born
« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2022, 03:57:50 am »
pen is..... heh... :)
 


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