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Re: DCAC inverter
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2015, 12:09:12 pm »
well i don't , but that doesn't explain why i should measure any voltage if the high side mosfet is off  :-//
 

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Re: DCAC inverter
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2015, 01:04:45 pm »
Here are the reasons that one or more bridge MOSFETs can fail (in no particular order):

1. Excessively long switching times - in this voltage/switching frequency range the voltage across each MOSFET should take 50-100ns to transition from off to on and vice versa. Note that this should be measured while under a meaningful load (at least 10%, ideally >50%). Also note that too fast a transition time causes lots of EMI, ringing/voltage overshoots and exacerbates problems with body diode conduction (see below).

2. Cross conduction - check DC current into bridge with no load (including shunt [e.g. - capacitive] filter components); should be close to 0mA. Adjust deadtime between bridge legs until it just gets to 0mA (you don't want too much deadtime, either).

3. Body diode conduction - the intrinsic inverse parallel diode in all MOSFETs (even ones that claim to be fast) is pathetically slow compared to a purpose-built fast diode. With a purely resistive load, ideal (near-zero) deadtime and cross-conduction, the body diodes will never conduct in a full bridge. But with a reactive load (more specifically, leading power factor [ie - capacitive], which can come from the output filter in a pure sine wave inverter!) and/or excessive dead time (typically >200ns) the body diodes will start conducting current, and they then take a long time to turn off (reverse recovery), and the entire time the body diode tries to turn off it presents a direct short to the MOSFET in the other leg which has just turned on.

4. Excessively narrow pulse width - this problem tends to occur at very low load in a bridge using regular PWM (as opposed to phase shift modulation). How narrow is too narrow depends on a lot of other variables, but limiting the minimum pulse width to 5% of the switching period is a good start (and yet another case of too little load being a problem).

5. Overvoltage/ringing during turn off - caused by undamped stray inductance in between switches in a bridge leg or between the DC link capacitor and the bridge. These inductances form resonant tanks with the sum of the effective output capacitance of the switches in a bridge leg. This, then, is primarily a physical layout problem. Even with good layout, though, RC dampers across each switch and/or the transformer primary are frequently needed (note that quasi-resonant transition and phase-shifted bridges put these strays to good use, and the latter topology is also very good at dealing with reactive loads).

6. Finally, the obvious stuff like insufficient gate drive voltage, excessive drain current, too low a voltage rating relative to supply, etc.

 

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Re: DCAC inverter
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2015, 02:46:50 pm »
well i don't , but that doesn't explain why i should measure any voltage if the high side mosfet is off  :-//
You charged AC output connector up to VCC and now where is the charge supposed to go if all mosfets are off and there's no load? I mean, it will leak (through mosfets, through the scope, through air, pcb and whatnot) but slowly.

You may want to read some introduction to the fundamentals somewhere... Also, connect some resistors, inductors and capacitors to a low voltage source (5V or whatever), observe the waveforms when they are switched on and off and make sure you understand why the waveforms look the way they do.
 

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Re: DCAC inverter
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2015, 10:08:59 pm »
well i don't , but that doesn't explain why i should measure any voltage if the high side mosfet is off  :-//
You charged AC output connector up to VCC and now where is the charge supposed to go if all mosfets are off and there's no load? I mean, it will leak (through mosfets, through the scope, through air, pcb and whatnot) but slowly.

You may want to read some introduction to the fundamentals somewhere... Also, connect some resistors, inductors and capacitors to a low voltage source (5V or whatever), observe the waveforms when they are switched on and off and make sure you understand why the waveforms look the way they do.

no i can't agree about that, cause i tested other H-bridge, like with the L298 am getting  a clean 30VAC sadely the L298 is not capable of high voltage as high as 350VDC, even directly with a micro-controller output with no bridge driver at all (VCC=1.5V, so MOS can be trigered by 3.3V uC output) i still can see on the bridge or the half bridge, an identical wave form to the driving wave, so it's not that.

the AC output must float so no voltage at all, it's like a scope being connected to nothing, i don't see why it has to be slowly decaying voltage. it's exactly this capacitive phenomena that i can't explain, certain thing if i can't see the HF signal on the bridge output on the scope neither will the LC filter.

unless someone can give me an explanation to that, i can't see why this should happen.

I will not be able to do any tests until next month but am thinking to test an other high side - low side driver and in a second time build my own high side driver with some transistors, and see what i get.

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Here are the reasons that one or more bridge MOSFETs can fail (in no particular order):

Thanks for that, i will focus on point 3 and 5.
 

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Re: DCAC inverter
« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2016, 12:34:24 pm »
hi everyone,
since i annoyed everyone here with this ,here where i'am this project.
Finally some decent looking wave form, with a clear distortion in it, not the most smooth sin wave i ever seen  :P
Here it's powering a contactor coil and two SMPS both powering different circuit.
I added some feedback circuitry to it, so it keep the voltage around 230VAC.

so far so good, thanks everyone for your help  ;D
 


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