Current measurement IC ( Op Amp ) for hight voltage versus Max Supply voltage

[Maxoverdrive]

Hello

I have a little electronic knowledge but not in this domain

I work on a Ion probe system , I need to make an accurate measurement of  the current peak which is of few milliamp , but the main line voltage is 90 V DC , the peak current is very narrow as a pulse so I need hight sampling rate sampling at least 100 Khz

I have read a lot and I dont undertand one point

As the IC Op Amp is not feed by the main line ( in this case 90V ) why there is an IC voltage limitation

example : TiTechnote SBOA298 : the OPA354 is feed by the same voltage as the main line so OK main line voltage is a limitation
but
example : INA293 the IC is feed with 22V DC max ( separate voltage source ) but the maximum line voltage is 110V max

In a current sense measurement the voltage is measured at the resistor terminals so the voltage is low and far lower than teh main line voltage

So my question is : If I feed the IC Op Amp with an isolated PSU to be separate it from the DC main line can I use a high performance IC low noise / hight frequency / acceptable slew rate as the OPA354 or other as a Op Amp +/- 10 V ou 15 +/- V

Thanks for your answer

MO

[Zero999]

Yes, the op-amp used to measure the current, can be powered off a lower voltage.

[Maxoverdrive]

Dear Zero999

ok thanks that confirm my point of view , IC are cheap but I want to avoid to burst the oscilloscope

Do you know why some circuit have a isolation amplifier and some other no , if use a separate power supply to feed the Op Amp normally I do not need a isolation amplifier ?
Some current sense IC as the Avago 7800 have an integrated isolation circuit some as the INA293 have any .

Regards

MO

[OM222O]

Op amps have a rated common mode voltage, so for example if your shunt resistor is placed for high side current sensing, voltage on one point maybe 90v and on the other side of the resistor it can be 89.9V.

There is 0.1V across the resistor but there is also 90V of common mode voltage!  If you exceed the common mode voltage rating of the op amp, it'll be fried  however if you use low side current measurment, you can use any op amp as there is 0v common mode voltage.

[Zero999]

Dear Zero999

ok thanks that confirm my point of view , IC are cheap but I want to avoid to burst the oscilloscope

Do you know why some circuit have a isolation amplifier and some other no , if use a separate power supply to feed the Op Amp normally I do not need a isolation amplifier ?
Some current sense IC as the Avago 7800 have an integrated isolation circuit some as the INA293 have any .

Regards

MO

The application note, TI SBOA298 you referred to earlier is for low side current measurement. Assuming your circuit is measureing current on the low side, as in the PDF linked to below and the op-amp shares the same ground, as the current souce, the op-amp can run at a much lower voltage, without any isolation.
https://www.ti.com/lit/an/sboa298a/sboa298a.pdf

[Maxoverdrive]

thnks for the replies

I am on the ''low side '' I confirm , all Ion probe current are done on the ''low side '' , why I don't know , but most lab setup use a Analog 5B40 isolation amp module , that a quite old and the performance is quite low regarding frequency and noise , that why I try to improve the circuit to record the best current peak possible

I have located this doc from Texas Ins with a diode circuit ApplicationReportSLLA190–February2006 to limit voltage , that confirm what OM2220 have wrote

INA168  is an IC with affordable cost as the INA293 , that allow some experimentents , LT1995 is also a possible choice but it s look less easy to use

I will progress on test circuits and put reports asap

Regards

MO