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Offline okwTopic starter

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Isolation transformer for capacitor dropped rectified 230VAC
« on: November 07, 2024, 11:48:45 am »
I've been looking at these dangerous 230V to (e.g.) 5V circuits consisting of a bridge rectifier and capacitor dropper.
They work OK with known and steady loads (like fans, LEDs, etc), where the user is cut-off any handling. A better way is of course to have a transformer to drop the voltage considerably before the bridge rectifier, but they're expensive and heavy, so I get why they rather use a cheap capacitor dropper.
How much safer would it make this circuit using a 1:1 isolation transformer after the dropper?
(Users would still be cut off handling the circuit.)
It's for running an MCU to control a TRIAC and a relay.
 

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Re: Isolation transformer for capacitor dropped rectified 230VAC
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2024, 12:03:16 pm »
If you're going to use a transformer in your design, then you don't need the capacitor dropper at all!

Just use a normal low voltage transformer, bridge rectifier & regulator to power the MCU!

 

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Re: Isolation transformer for capacitor dropped rectified 230VAC
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2024, 12:12:56 pm »
No, a 1:1 isolation transformer (230VAC in => 230VAC out).
 

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Re: Isolation transformer for capacitor dropped rectified 230VAC
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2024, 12:16:24 pm »
I understand that

I'm saying that compared with a 1:1 isolation transformer, it's cheaper and less heavier to use a low voltage transformer to power the MCU, and delete the capacitor dropper.
 

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Re: Isolation transformer for capacitor dropped rectified 230VAC
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2024, 12:33:59 pm »
isolation transformers and regular transformers do not cost much different.
do not use capacitor droppers. want to make a low-cost product? :bullshit:

Design it with a 230V:9V transformer and a 7805.
 

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Re: Isolation transformer for capacitor dropped rectified 230VAC
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2024, 12:39:08 pm »
This schematic snippet shows you how to isolate your MCU by using a small transformer and optocoupled triac driver.



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Re: Isolation transformer for capacitor dropped rectified 230VAC
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2024, 12:55:43 pm »
A better way is of course to have a transformer to drop the voltage considerably before the bridge rectifier, but they're expensive and heavy

How much is heavy?
Advance-Aneng-Appa-AVO-Beckman-Danbridge-Data Tech-Fluke-General Radio-H. W. Sullivan-Heathkit-HP-Kaise-Kyoritsu-Leeds & Northrup-Mastech-OR-X-REO-Simpson-Sinclair-Tektronix-Tokyo Rikosha-Topward-Triplett-Tritron-YFE
(plus lesser brands from the work shop of the world)
 


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