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Manderby:
Hi there David,
came to this forum by watching the famous solar roadway videos. Very amusing stuff. But I am generally interested in technical advancements, therefore I was looking for discussions on this forum about a project which has been going on in Switzerland for about 10 years (I'm far away from there but I remember this was a big deal when this came out). But I did not find anything about it on this forum. So I just wanted to have your (and other members in this forum) 's opinion on it.

http://www.energietal-toggenburg.ch/anlagen.html
It's in german, but you figer this out.

Some background info: In Switzerland, the 2000W society is a goal which should (could, would, is being dreamed of...) be reality by 2050. There are several advancements like better insulation using the Minergy standard which is applied to all new houses, more wooden houses, more renewable energy sources, solar panels, wind turbines, gas (bio, fossil or power-to-gas) instead of petrol, lots of water reservoirs, new heating with woodchips and heatpumps, ... It is arguably the right way but we don't know if we will meet the goal.

The valley of Toggenburg set the goal to become energy self sustaining by 2034 by subsidizing lots of technical advancements. Would love to hear your opinion about it.

Cheers!

Marco:

--- Quote from: Manderby on December 14, 2019, 12:20:50 pm ---The valley of Toggenburg set the goal to become energy self sustaining by 2034 by subsidizing lots of technical advancements.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see any major pumped hydro projects in Toggenburg and power to gas with gasfield storage is nowhere near ready for 2034. Without any viable longer term storage how can you be (grid) energy independent in 2034 without pretending that the external grid is faux storage? Will your local government buy (part of) an external pumped hydro station to be able to honestly lay claim to the storage? Of course using that storage for itself, not for the economically optimal use at any given time ... because that would be cheating.

Cheating being rampant in these claims of energy independence, you can't just compensate one kWh for another and pretend they are equal ... they are not.

PS. you can have your own fossil fuel gas generating plants of course, but without your own gas fields that still not really independent.

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