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Re: Voltage selector wiring using faston - Am I missing something?
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2024, 12:38:59 pm »
I’ll add that if you just need to crimp a few, and your application can tolerate the occasional failed crimp which you have to cut off and redo, it’s likely not worth the cost of the locator. If your application cannot tolerate failure (e.g. if you need to crimp to short wires that have zero excess) or you need to do lots of them, locators are well worth it.

Thanks. I need to do quite a few and I'd rather spend a bit more and be on the safe side.

BTW, is there any other brand/ model that I could look into? Just for comparison really. since knipex is the first I came across. Knowing my luck, there's almost always a better solution with similar cost/ performance ratio  :)
 

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Re: Voltage selector wiring using faston - Am I missing something?
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2024, 06:16:50 pm »
Not really, without resorting to the $$$ stuff from TE, etc.

Several other tool manufacturers that focus on electrical tools or components (Weidmüller, Phoenix Contact, Vogt, Greenlee, etc.) sell crimp tools, but they’re no cheaper than Knipex (and some may in fact be rebadged Knipex), so I don’t see much point in it.

FYI, if you encounter the Rennsteig brand, that’s Knipex’s subsidiary that actually makes their crimp tools. So if you should encounter the equivalent Rennsteig tool for less money than the Knipex, go for it! It’ll just be black and green instead of blue and red. :P

However, one very happy way to get the $$$ TE/AMP tools (or other major manufacturers like Molex) for $ is to get them on eBay (or local equivalent) or classifieds. I’ve managed to get multiple $$ crimp tools ($300-500 each) for $60-120 brand new in box, and a $700 DMC indent crimper used for $150. The downside is that this may require patience. Since Fastons have been around since forever, I expect there are a lot of the tools on eBay, as long as you’re OK with the tool looking kinda beat up, and the time needed to search the listings.

Finally, I will say that Fastons used with thicker wire (perhaps 16AWG and up) are among the most forgiving crimp contacts, so one of the best Chinese crimpers (like IWISS) will usually do an OK job on them. (I’ve had less consistent results with thinner wires.) But you won’t have a locator, and it’s a bit of a crapshoot whether a given tool will produce good results, or produce them consistently. (I’ve largely written off Chinese crimpers, as I have come to value my time and sanity — and the satisfaction of a good tool — over saving a buck.)
 
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Re: Voltage selector wiring using faston - Am I missing something?
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2024, 06:22:18 pm »
Great info. Thanks  :-+
 

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Re: Voltage selector wiring using faston - Am I missing something?
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2024, 04:09:29 am »
If you come across the TE/Amp "midrange" tool 59824-1, it's an amazing piece of kit. It handles a much wider range of terminals than their "high end" stuff, so it's pretty much the only crimp tool you need for fastons, rings, etc., if you stick with TE's PIDG line. And it's fully UL approved, which is strong evidence that it's going to give great results.

Unfortunately the price has doubled (I think) in the last few years, so it's not the bargain it used to be. And the specimens on eBay, last I looked, were unimpressive. But if you come across one that looks tempting, go for it!
 
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Re: Voltage selector wiring using faston - Am I missing something?
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2024, 04:09:24 pm »
Coming back to this thread, I'm wondering if anyone knows any DIE other than the 97 49 15  that can do angle/ flag terminals (for the Knipex 97 43 200).

 

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Re: Voltage selector wiring using faston - Am I missing something?
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2024, 08:36:38 pm »
Coming back to this thread, I'm wondering if anyone knows any DIE other than the 97 49 15  that can do angle/ flag terminals (for the Knipex 97 43 200).


Knipex doesn't make a die for that style of flag terminals, unfortunately. (Edit: I misread. 97 49 15 is indeed for that style of flag terminal.) And you really can't do them on the regular dies. :(

If you have the dies for regular insulated terminals (97 49 06), Panduit has fully-insulated flag terminals that don't require special dies. I ordered some (DNFR18-250B-M), but haven't tried them out yet. Every other brand of fully-insulated flag terminals requires special dies.

TE makes semi-insulated flag terminals that work with regular-ish dies: 156666-1 and 156667-1. They are part of the PIDG series and technically require a different crimp shape from other insulated terminals (Knipex dies 97 49 06 PI), but I've crimped other PIDG terminals using the regular 97 49 06 and they seem to be OK, perhaps with the insulation slightly overcrimped.

There are non-insulated flag terminals that should work with regular crimp dies, like TE 61549-1, 60764-2, 62048-1, 2238141-1, 2238106-1, and the unusual 60873-1 (right-angle flag). Most of this style is for 2.8mm tabs, but most of the ones I list there are for 6.3mm tabs.

Panduit also sells uninsulated versions of the ones above (e.g. DR18-250-M), which presumably work with a dimple-style crimp die like Knipex 97 49 14 or 97 49 10. I haven't tried these.
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Re: Voltage selector wiring using faston - Am I missing something?
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2024, 08:56:37 pm »
Coming back to this thread, I'm wondering if anyone knows any DIE other than the 97 49 15  that can do angle/ flag terminals (for the Knipex 97 43 200).


Knipex doesn't make a die for that style of flag terminals, unfortunately. And you really can't do them on the regular dies. :(

If you have the dies for regular insulated terminals (97 49 06), Panduit has fully-insulated flag terminals that don't require special dies. I ordered some (DNFR18-250B-M), but haven't tried them out yet. Every other brand of fully-insulated flag terminals requires special dies.

TE makes semi-insulated flag terminals that work with regular-ish dies: 156666-1 and 156667-1. They are part of the PIDG series and technically require a different crimp shape from other insulated terminals (Knipex dies 97 49 06 PI), but I've crimped other PIDG terminals using the regular 97 49 06 and they seem to be OK, perhaps with the insulation slightly overcrimped.

There are non-insulated flag terminals that should work with regular crimp dies, like TE 61549-1, 60764-2, 62048-1, 2238141-1, 2238106-1, and the unusual 60873-1 (right-angle flag). Most of this style is for 2.8mm tabs, but most of the ones I list there are for 6.3mm tabs.

Panduit also sells uninsulated versions of the ones above (e.g. DR18-250-M), which presumably work with a dimple-style crimp die like Knipex 97 49 14 or 97 49 10. I haven't tried these.

Thanks Tooki!

In fact, I just bought the 97 49 05 literally 5 minutes ago. Once the transaction was completed, I came here and found your reply.  Hopefully this is the correct DIE for the straight 6.35 quick disconnect TE connectors I'll be mostly using...

I found the 97 49 15, which I understood that can do flag terminals but I didn't pull the trigger because of its price. My heart said yes but my mind said no, for a change!
 
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Re: Voltage selector wiring using faston - Am I missing something?
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2024, 09:21:15 pm »
In fact, I just bought the 97 49 05 literally 5 minutes ago. Once the transaction was completed, I came here and found your reply.  Hopefully this is the correct DIE for the straight 6.35 quick disconnect TE connectors I'll be mostly using...

I found the 97 49 15, which I understood that can do flag terminals but I didn't pull the trigger because of its price. My heart said yes but my mind said no, for a change!
You know what, you're right, 97 49 15 is for flag terminals. I googled it before, but the description I found was incomplete and didn't mention the flag part, and I then didn't look at the datasheet.

Yes, it sure looks like the 97 49 05 is intended for the straight connectors, and it might work for some of the flag connectors I listed, too.
 
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Re: Voltage selector wiring using faston - Am I missing something?
« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2024, 09:26:28 pm »
In fact, I just bought the 97 49 05 literally 5 minutes ago. Once the transaction was completed, I came here and found your reply.  Hopefully this is the correct DIE for the straight 6.35 quick disconnect TE connectors I'll be mostly using...

I found the 97 49 15, which I understood that can do flag terminals but I didn't pull the trigger because of its price. My heart said yes but my mind said no, for a change!
You know what, you're right, 97 49 15 is for flag terminals. I googled it before, but the description I found was incomplete and didn't mention the flag part, and I then didn't look at the datasheet.

Yes, it sure looks like the 97 49 05 is intended for the straight connectors, and it might work for some of the flag connectors I listed, too.

OK cool, at least I wasn't totally wrong. If possible, let us know how the Panduit samples work for you. If they work with the PIDG die I think it makes more sense to have two different dies (97 49 05 and 97 49 06) than just the 97 49 15, both price-wise and function-wise.
 

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Re: Voltage selector wiring using faston - Am I missing something?
« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2024, 10:26:05 pm »
It should work in the non-PIDG ’06 die, but I’d be surprised if it didn’t work in the PIDG die (’06 PI), too. What I did check before ordering is that they use the same die as Panduit’s straight insulated terminals. I have the regular ’06, but haven’t (knowingly) used Panduit terminals before. But I’d be quite surprised if they don’t work — compatibility among brands of insulated terminals does seem quite high. PIDG is the sort of outlier. And even those seem to work OK.
 
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