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Offline cs.dk

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Re: Lithium-ion charging
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2015, 01:00:45 pm »
I just cracked the 0V thing open. One cell is at 0,03V the other is at 4,075V, so I guess some sort of protection circuit kicked in. However, i think the good cell may work? I'll open the other batteries to.

Just tested the PSU in CC-mode (shorted out), this should be close enough.
 

Offline Siwastaja

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Re: Lithium-ion charging
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2015, 01:20:54 pm »
Definitely discard the 0.03V one.

Your experiment also shows how important it is to gain access to every individual cell.
 

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Re: Lithium-ion charging
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2015, 09:25:28 pm »
The only thing I'll add is to mind the voltage tolerance: 4.2V is the safe limit but the absolute max is 4.25V (a little over +1%), so you'll need to make sure your equipment can achieve that accuracy otherwise you could be overcharging and not know it. As mentioned above, there's always the option of going slightly lower.
Yep, so even LM317I set to 4.14V should be fine with load regulation <100mV when Vo is <5V for those small currents needed for charging  ;)
http://www.fairchildsemi.com/datasheets/LM/LM317.pdf

There is one more thing when charging batteries-how temperature changes those maximum battery charge voltage, so what can be temperature compensation level for those small Li-on if needed?

I use 12V car starter battery and LM350 which is overkill for currents <0.5A with small radiator for short cell phone calls/standby where output voltage is 4.14V to let think crappy phone think it has fully charged Li-on  :-DD

LM350A has typical load line regulation 0.3% (1%max) , LM350 1.5%max, so it looks like ~60mAmax<100mA and 4.14V with two simple resistors should be fine while we need disconnect charger at low temperatures as well as do not want charge out batteries at high ambient temperatures, but will use it in  room temperatures, so about 25*C max .
http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm350-n.pdf

LM317I is cheaper and for small charging current with bigger radiator should be fine if we add automatic current limit control, so DIP8 AVR MPU will let us write a few lines of code and implement this simply charging logic mentioned above and no lab PSU needed to charge bloody small Li-on, because of npbody will manually set those current limits based on battery voltage and current readings  :palm: while MPU will do it 10000 times per second for us  :-/O
Of course I will not leave this simply charger even with copper pipe heatsink and flammable Li-on in place where serious fire could happen, but do the same with "commercial" chargers for safety reasons  ???

NOTE: There are caps on bottom side of this 1inch2 single layer PCB ;)

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Re: Lithium-ion charging
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2015, 01:17:36 am »
There is one more thing when charging batteries-how temperature changes those maximum battery charge voltage, so what can be temperature compensation level for those small Li-on if needed?

Unlike lead acid, which needs temperature compensation of the charge voltage, lithium ion has a fixed charging voltage.

The charging current is limited at cold temperatures, instead. However, this is usually specified as a simple step function: don't charge at all below 0 deg C, and charge at the rated current above 0 deg C, to make the algorithm simple. In reality, you could charge at low currents even below freezing, but this is of course unofficial and not recommended.

Lithium ion (exception: LTO) has a limited charge temperature range. Lead acid is better if you ever need to charge at temperature extremes or if you need large charging currents - or the combination thereof.
 


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