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Offline DMartensTopic starter

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Creating 10.7 MHz from other frequencies
« on: June 07, 2024, 08:56:14 am »
Hi ... I need to create a 10.7 MHz frequency to use with a TMS9918 ... this 10.7 MHz is triple the NTSC color carrier frequency of 3.574595 MHz.
I have crystals of 3.574595 MHz, also of 14.318180 MHz (4xNTSC) and also of 28.636360 MHz (8xNTSC).
I know using a PLL-type circuit with an appropriate divider-factor in the feedback loop would be able to achieve this.

Is there a way to generate 10.7 MHz from any of these above frequencies _without_ using a PLL?
 

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Re: Creating 10.7 MHz from other frequencies
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2024, 09:50:32 am »
Hi ... I need to create a 10.7 MHz frequency to use with a TMS9918 ... this 10.7 MHz is triple the NTSC color carrier frequency of 3.574595 MHz.
I have crystals of 3.574595 MHz, also of 14.318180 MHz (4xNTSC) and also of 28.636360 MHz (8xNTSC).
I know using a PLL-type circuit with an appropriate divider-factor in the feedback loop would be able to achieve this.

Is there a way to generate 10.7 MHz from any of these above frequencies _without_ using a PLL?
100% multiply the 3.574... by the 14.318... and bandpass filter at 10.7, but why instead of a PLL, I have no idea. :-//
 

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Re: Creating 10.7 MHz from other frequencies
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2024, 12:49:03 pm »
10.7 and 21.4 crystals are cheap and easy to obtain. Why not just order one? How do you get 10.7 by 'multiplying' the 3.57 by the 14.318???
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Re: Creating 10.7 MHz from other frequencies
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2024, 12:53:41 pm »
You can do a 3.57 MHz oscillator, filter the 3rd harmonic and amplify. Search "overtone" oscillator o "frequency multiplier"
 

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Re: Creating 10.7 MHz from other frequencies
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2024, 01:02:44 pm »
You can do a 3.57 MHz oscillator, filter the 3rd harmonic and amplify. Search "overtone" oscillator o "frequency multiplier"

That is what I would do.  A tripler stage is trivial; implement a class-c amplifier stage and used a tuned filter on the output to recover the third harmonic.  A 3.57 MHz square wave from a fast logic gate could be used.
 

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Re: Creating 10.7 MHz from other frequencies
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2024, 01:32:47 pm »
You can make 3.57 MHz crystal run on 3rd overtone. Just why not buy a correct part?

 

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Re: Creating 10.7 MHz from other frequencies
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2024, 01:34:45 pm »
Could use the 3.57MHz crystal in an overdriven oscillator and then injection lock a 10.7MHz oscillator to the 3.57MHz crystal oscillator (3rd harmonic).

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Re: Creating 10.7 MHz from other frequencies
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2024, 09:12:00 pm »
Is there a way to generate 10.7 MHz from any of these above frequencies _without_ using a PLL?

Sure :
The modern way would be a Schmitt XOR gate, and simple third phase RC delays. Then (A XOR C) XOR B gives 3f  ( eg using SN74HCS86)

or, you can make a ringing circuit with an LC and moderate Q at 3f, with Schmitt follower, and kick it with a narrow impulse at f.
 
These give 3.574595 *3 = 10.723785 MHz
« Last Edit: June 08, 2024, 10:53:07 pm by PCB.Wiz »
 


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