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Re: Voltage regulators - die pictures
« Reply #175 on: November 15, 2024, 10:11:54 pm »
Maybe slightly better ;)

But WTF is this circuit here? I gather the first MOSFET pair is a P-ch current mirror (gate shorted to "southern" drain) and the next is an N-ch differential pair, and they drive the output FET directly. Pretty obvious so far.

The rest must be the voltage reference, and what exactly happens here? Looks like the current source from the simplified schematic is a series pair of N-MOS with gates shorted to sources (or floating?), and the "resistor" is a diode connected(?) N-MOS. And this is supposed to produce a constant voltage? :-//
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Re: Voltage regulators - die pictures
« Reply #176 on: November 16, 2024, 04:08:20 am »
The circuit is really extremly simple.
It seems like it is just a very simple differential amplifier looking at something like a zener reference with a resistor "current source".
If you balance everything as good as possible that is perhaps stable enough.

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Re: Voltage regulators - die pictures
« Reply #177 on: February 19, 2025, 07:11:51 pm »
I have an update for the B260 (GDR version of the TDA1060).


















There are a total of three mask sets: 03, 04 and 05. Mask set 03 was used in July 1984 (R7), January 1985 (T1) and March 1985 (T4). The B260 from May 1986 (U5) is still based on mask set 03, but here the revision counter of the metal layer now shows a 2, whereas previously all revision counters were still at 1.

Mask set 04 appears in December 1987 (VD) and March 1988 (W3). The VD component bears the designation TDA1060. It was quite common for ICs to be produced for the West and printed with the Western designation. This is not a counterfeit. They didn“t mark it with a Philips logo.

The mask set 05 can finally be found in the B260 which was produced in June 1990 (A6).

It is interesting to note that there are no functional differences between the revisions. The two 03 variants appear completely identical. The small squares on the edges of the 04 mask set, which show the alignment of the masks, are missing. The small test structures on the upper edge are also missing. Furthermore, the testpad in the bottom left corner is now smaller and the connection of some bondpads has been slightly modified. The process seems to have changed for variant 05. The structures are unchanged, but the contacts to p-doped surfaces, which form the base for NPN transistors, are visually very different. The contact surfaces are smoother and larger.






The B260 built in March 1985 (T4) was severely damaged at pin 5.


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Re: Voltage regulators - die pictures
« Reply #178 on: February 21, 2025, 04:41:10 pm »


On closer inspection of the marking, it quickly becomes clear that this component is fake. The resolution was not sufficient to reproduce the Philips logo cleanly.




The package contains a B260 from the Halbleiterwerk Frankfurt Oder. The TDA1060 and the B260 are functionally identical. The counterfeit component could probably be used as normal one.




Here is another very interesting counterfeit part. The combination of the designation TDA1060 with the logo of the Halbleiterwerk Frankfurt Oder would still be plausible so far, although the logo looks a little inaccurate. However, the HFO always used an alphanumeric code consisting of two characters as a datecode. What looks like a datecode here is also implausible. According to this, the TDA1060 would have been produced in 1999. At that time, however, the Halbleiterwerk Frankfurt Oder had long since disappeared.




This TDA1060 also contains a B260.


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Re: Voltage regulators - die pictures
« Reply #179 on: June 11, 2025, 07:24:46 pm »


Now we have a genuine Philips TDA1060.




The dimensions of the die are 2,3mm x 1,8mm. Some characters are shown in the bottom left corner. The structures are very similar to those in the HFO B260. However, it is clearly recognizable that the masks were not simply copied. The circuit has been recreated using their own process.


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Re: Voltage regulators - die pictures
« Reply #180 on: October 13, 2025, 03:21:27 am »




I have added another revision of the B260. The mould compound was a little hard to remove, sorry...  ^-^
M8 stands for August 1980 and it uses even another revision, the revision 02.
Now we have 02, 03_1, 03_2 , 04 and 05 and still no functional difference.


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Re: Voltage regulators - die pictures
« Reply #181 on: October 26, 2025, 12:02:58 pm »


The IRU1239 is a voltage regulator found on Western Digital's WD800BB hard drive.




There is no datasheet for the IRU1239. The block diagram above is taken from the datasheet for the IRU1237, which was also developed for use in hard drives and may have a similar design. The IRU1237 contains three voltage regulators with output voltages of 8V, 3,3V, and 2,6V. The current delivery capacity is specified as 0,2A, 1,2A, and 1,2A. The 8V voltage regulator has its own power supply input so that the lower voltage regulators can be supplied with a lower voltage. The lower two voltage regulators also have their own isolated reference potential.

In a Polish forum, the following voltages were measured on the pins of the IRU1239 (pins 1-8) on the WD800BB hard drive: 1.2V / 3.3V / 5.0V IN / 0.0V GND / 1.2V / 12V IN / 2.6V
(https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic367631.html#1876064)

Looking at the IRU1237, the potentials raise a few questions. The IRU1239 would therefore generate a 1,2V potential from the 12V supply. The large difference between the input and output voltage is surprising. If the circuit basically corresponds to the IRU1237, then it could be that the circuit on this channel requires a higher voltage. The other two channels could continue to generate 3,3V and 2,6V from the 5V supply. It would then be questionable whether the measurement at pin 1 was incorrect. It is said there was a voltage of 1,2V on the WD800BB PCB. It is conceivable that they modified the output voltages with this potential at the reference point of the lower voltage divider. A higher potential at the reference point of the voltage divider reduces the output voltage. However, this would mean that the lower voltage regulators normally regulate 4,5V and 3,8V. These would be very unusual voltages. In addition, the IRU1237 requires at least 5,25V to be able to deliver its full output current at 3,3V. For voltages above 3,3V, at least this regulator requires more than 5V at the input.




The dimensions of the die contained are 2,2mm x 1,3mm. The designation US1239A is shown in the lower left corner. The letters BW cannot be assigned. In the lower right corner, there are revisions of seven masks. Two metal layers were used.

This image is also available in a higher resolution: https://www.richis-lab.de/images/vreg/35x03XL.jpg (33MB)




Large power transistors are integrated in the center. The two metal layers enable efficient current conduction. One element of the power transistors consists of two emitters. The elongated contacts are clearly visible (blue). There are strips of the lower metal layer that are connected to the upper metal layer via vias (yellow). From there, the current is conducted to the right via wide lines. The emitter contacts are surrounded by base contacts (green). The base potential of the transistor is connected to the lower metal layer. The base current is supplied within this layer from above and below. The collector current (red) flows in wide strips of the upper metal layer on both sides of the power transistor. Vias provide connections to the lower metal layer, where a strip leads across the collector contact.




Upon closer inspection and with measurements taken at the pins, the circuit can be reconstructed as follows. The 5V potential enters the circuit in the middle. To the left and right, the current passes through two power transistors. The right transistor is twice as large as the left transistor. These are a 3,3V voltage regulator and a 2,6V voltage regulator. The two regulators are located above their power transistors.

In addition to the actual outputs, each regulator has an input through which it reads back the respective output voltage. The potentials are fed to voltage dividers located in the center of the upper edge. A special feature is the fact that the divided actual voltages are connected with two pins. This also reveals the internal reference voltage with which the regulators operate. This explains the two 1,2V potentials at pins 1 and 5. This is not a third voltage regulator. Presumably, the potentials have been routed to the outside so that the output voltages can be adjusted slightly if necessary.

The reference voltage is generated in the lower section. In the middle of this area you can see the striking transistor combination of a bandgap reference. Fuses on the left offer adjustment options. Both the voltage reference and the regulators use the 12V supply potential.


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