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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #225 on: October 20, 2024, 04:33:11 pm »
On the plus side, my YouTube recommendations are showing me things like this chickenoid robot's joints
https://youtu.be/TQiLLcumqDw

It's like an ED-209 for the aviary.

Yes!  @artbyrobot: this is a great example of what an informative video looks like. Perhaps you could take inspiration from it.
 

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #227 on: October 20, 2024, 07:57:11 pm »
Yes!  @artbyrobot: this is a great example of what an informative video looks like. Perhaps you could take inspiration from it.

Well he said there are examples of pulley and cord articulations and I wanted to see for myself; I guess he's right about that!

Indeed that video is what he should aim for.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #228 on: October 20, 2024, 08:13:49 pm »
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I've read that page a few times, now, but it's just words and assertions.  There is nothing to substantiate your claims about your 2021 epiphany, no technical discussion about your AI software, and in particular nothing about how you can encode moral values in software.

To wit ...

I guess I have too much free time on my hands since I finished all my home improvement projects, so I wanted to try and find something in any of the artbyrobot videos, which go back 10 years (that's what YT says on the last video in the list of videos). What I wanted to find was a single simple test for learning purposes of a motor or servo that pulled a string (or in some other manner) and moved any part of a robot - the tip of a finger would have sufficed OR any test weight. I wasted a lot of time because of all the time-wasting video filler in many of the videos. Really, there are videos of 1, 2, and up to 8 hours long! Who is going to watch videos that long some of which are mostly a person staring at their computer doing nothing at all interesting for the audience?

I didn't see any videos titled in any meaningful way that indicated a learning session or testing of a motor pulling, pushing, or moving any functional part of a robot or test item. So I skimmed many of the videos that seemed like they might contain this sort of test. I found not a single functional test of a motor moving any part of a robot. I did find one of a test of a motor, but that is a very simple thing that any high school student doing electronics can do. This channel doesn't show any tests of a motor pulling a string around a pulley or pulleys even for a non-robotics test of a weight or other simple task. Is it buried in one of the eight hour sagas?

In a previous post artbyrobot said the first ten years was "just learning". So in ten years, we see nothing that indicates artbyrobot learned by experimentation or tested out of curiosity even the simplest combined test of the basic movement system proposed - motor - pulley - string - weight? Not even on a test bench? Nothing? I'm not sure what to make of that.

I know what to make of that, but I will keep it to myself... Hearing multiple extreme claims, extreme confidence and endless hype from OP, I too went to watch some of his videos, I was honestly curious. But what I've found, made me sad.

Anyway, I would guess most of us been guilty of being naive one time or another. During my teenage years I was fascinated by many ideas which were either not for my skill level, not for my pocked, or both. Fascination with an idea inhibits negative feedback. It's quite easy to become blind, just like falling in love with a wrong person. Sooner or later reality knocks on a door. How soon you hear a knock is part of experience and wisdom. Yet there is one more category of people - those who are deaf to all the knocks. Reasons vary.

This project is not completely unimaginable, but the approach, OP takes, certainly is. It's like going to climb Mount Everest with flip-flops. By the way, I'm sure you can find someone in world who really thinks it would work. Though majority would either laugh or call you an idiot. So what you do? Two options. You either get insulted by criticism, treat everyone like they are all against you, fight everyone back and insist on your flip-flop mountaineering, or... You eat you pride, go home and come back with normal f*cking boots. And all the other proper equipment.

Even if being overly blunt, most (all?) people here actually wishes OP good and are willing to help. But it feels that the wake-up call never get routed to the destination. NACK. NACK. NACK. FIN.

The reality is that current mechanical, electronics and software approaches not going to cut it. Not realizing that, is the achilles' heel. Yet it's without a doubt entirely possible to come back better equipped and give a better shot at it. In fact, decision to come to EEVblog forum might potentially be very fortunate. Yes, occasionally you might get bluntly confronted here, it's not a doll forum after all, but at the same time there is no other place in the internet where you can find so many tech-gifted individuals who are also laid back and willing to share insights. But frankly, I don't have very big hopes, cause, as I said, I know what to make of that.

Oh, and by the way, electrocactive polymer is really cool stuff. Looks like promising tech.
 
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #229 on: October 20, 2024, 10:08:36 pm »
Unfortunately, I have never gotten a motor to turn, winching in string, to then move a joint.  NEVER.  It is my carrot on the end of a stick.  It will be the most magical moment ever and the first time can only happen once so it has to be perfect.  I view this moment kind of like losing your virginity.  I have to have a setup that is worthy and perfect first and love the setup and be committed to the setup for life.  No turning back.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #230 on: October 20, 2024, 10:25:20 pm »
Also as far as the AI, I kept the website a bit vague and was not sure I wanted to spill the beans for many months since I feel I have solved AI and my AI approach is THE approach.  But then I spilled the beans one day, just saying heck with it, let others benefit from my solutions.  I won't hoard, I'll be generous.  And I did a series of videos on it.  Nobody watched them including you Steve who claim to care so much, you DID NOT watch them start to finish all of them.  So I don't want to hear moaning about me not sharing in depth.  I literally spill all in my videos.  And show the making of so far, everything is there.  If the videos are too long, its TLDR I'm not watching that.  If the writing is too long its TLDR I'm not reading that.  So I have my hands tied.  I cannot describe something this complex in one sentence.  In my first thread someone asked for some in depth talk about the AI and I did like a 1 page writeup and they said a bot wrote that and didn't read it .  So annoying.  So there would be no point to write something really in depth on my website.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #231 on: October 20, 2024, 11:38:58 pm »
Unfortunately, I have never gotten a motor to turn, winching in string, to then move a joint.  NEVER.  It is my carrot on the end of a stick.  It will be the most magical moment ever and the first time can only happen once so it has to be perfect.  I view this moment kind of like losing your virginity.  I have to have a setup that is worthy and perfect first and love the setup and be committed to the setup for life.  No turning back.

At first I read your post and I thought it was implying that you haven't been able to do it -

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I have never gotten a motor to turn

I was going to download one of the robot model hand models on Thingiverse that used a string or wire and just print a finger from the model, and then get a stepper motor to move it. Then I realized it wouldn't really impress anyone here (and rightly so) because it's not that conceptually difficult. I didn't know if it would have helped you seeing that it does work. That would have been the goal. But now I see that you seem to be saying you don't want to do the test because you are saving it for a sort of Grand Orgasmic Moment in your life. You say -

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I have to have a setup that is worthy and perfect first and love the setup and be committed to the setup for life.

I can tell you that will almost certainly not be the way it goes down. It won't be perfect the first time and there's nothing wrong with that. So that's what's keeping you from doing it huh? Not a good reason IMHO.

Also as far as the AI, I kept the website a bit vague and was not sure I wanted to spill the beans for many months since I feel I have solved AI and my AI approach is THE approach.  But then I spilled the beans one day, just saying heck with it, let others benefit from my solutions.  I won't hoard, I'll be generous.  And I did a series of videos on it.  Nobody watched them including you Steve who claim to care so much, you DID NOT watch them start to finish all of them.  So I don't want to hear moaning about me not sharing in depth.  I literally spill all in my videos.  And show the making of so far, everything is there.  If the videos are too long, its TLDR I'm not watching that.  If the writing is too long its TLDR I'm not reading that.  So I have my hands tied.  I cannot describe something this complex in one sentence.  In my first thread someone asked for some in depth talk about the AI and I did like a 1 page writeup and they said a bot wrote that and didn't read it .  So annoying.  So there would be no point to write something really in depth on my website.

So you have solved AI for the World? It's all there in the videos? It was explained in the other thread? If a member on this forum read it and said it was written by a BOT, then they probably considered it was without merit as an explanation of solving AI. But if you have done it, I would hurry up and show the world so you can get a Nobel Prize (if one is offered for this type of research).

I did happen to see you typing in text strings for the robot to use (I think that was the idea) in one of the long videos but it didn't seem very interesting and I was skimming it looking for you testing a motor moving a finger. I certainly didn't see AI being solved in any threads I skimmed, none were tilted as such, and I didn't hear you stating you were solving it in any threads.

Will you please summarize the approach you used in solving AI in a paragraph? Do not explain how it all works just the basic flow. How does your solution work and how is it different from anything else out there, so we can try to grasp the essence of the methodology?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #232 on: October 21, 2024, 02:43:49 am »
ONE PARAGRAPH!?  OMG that's a BIG ASK!  I'll try.

The AI - I SOLVED AI:

You have to implant lots of facts in a hierarchical database to create a knowledge base and then have rules lists covering rules for different situations in different databases for different categories of behavior.  Using the rules lists which are mostly conditional statements combined with the knowledge databases, it can begin behaving by responding to its rules lists to carry out behaviors.  The behaviors have to be motivated by something so you have priority trees of tasks.  You also have to babysit it as it goes, answering its questions and teaching it like a child.  This will fill in the knowledge gaps.  Ethics rules lists govern everything like a warden as well and factor into it all.  Like a behavioral filter.  Basically its good old fashioned AI mixed with expert systems and machine learning and neural networks, a bit of everything conceptually.  Absolutely zero math is involved though.  Just rules lists.  But part of the rules, where it begins to learn and grow is that it is explicitly taught how to add more rules for its own behavior that it self adds as it learns the new behaviors from outside sources as it goes about its normal research or interactions.  It is taking notes on how to behave and think.  SO IT GROWS exponentially more sophisticated and emerging behaviors form as well as it's adding to its knowledge base dynamically.  That is where the seed grows into a tree.  So I just need enough rules lists and rules and enough knowledge base to form the seed, then it grows itself into a tree, self coding itself.

Oh man this paragraph will just be interpreted a million different ways and only raise more questions.  A paragraph like this may lead you nowhere closer to understanding my approach actually.  Might just confuse you.  But the short attention spans around here require a paragraph.  So annoying.  Its useless.  And to converge so much into a tiny space you almost have to use more big words which makes it all more esoteric and unsearchable and unfathomable.  Becomes just riddles and word play.  That's why you got to watch my entire AI series thoroughly and take notes to begin to unravel the approach and fully grasp it.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #233 on: October 21, 2024, 02:48:29 am »
ONE PARAGRAPH!?  OMG that's a BIG ASK!  I'll try.

The AI - I SOLVED AI:

You have to implant lots of facts in a hierarchical database to create a knowledge base and then have rules lists covering rules for different situations in different databases for different categories of behavior. 

I'm sure you have to, question is, did you?
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #234 on: October 21, 2024, 02:57:56 am »
I did create a knowledge database and rules lists upon rules lists and began making the rules.  I also created the ethical filter and the tasks priority tree to motivate it all.  So I did lay the foundation.  The seed beginnings are all there, completed.  But the seed is not done.  It needs alot of knowledge base and a lot of rules lists with alot of rules before it will be sufficiently sophisticated enough to begin its work of growing from seed into tree.  So there is a big investment up front to get it to seed completion.  The seed has to be completed to a significant degree before it can begin moving toward growing into a tree.  The seed formation is entirely up to you as the coder and has to involve understanding how the mind of this thing will work and this should approximate how a human mind works.  So you have to have some concept of how the human mind works.  You are CREATING A MIND so this is not trivial.  It is NOT just a couple lines of code.  For the mind to work, it has to already know how to learn and know a TON of stuff and TONS of rules before it can even begin to function at all.  You have to give it a LOT of tools for success if you expect it to build a house for you.  It needs blueprints, instructions, methods, tools, motivation, encouragement, apprenticing, guidance, etc.  It needs a loving and attentive father to grow.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #235 on: October 21, 2024, 03:06:34 am »
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #236 on: October 21, 2024, 04:32:27 am »
As much as I like Chappie (and indeed Issac Asimov and tons of others) as a fictional work and commentary on morality and the human condition, it is in no way an adequate scientific nor engineering pathway for developing AI.

That said, if you published your existing knowledge database, rule set, ethical filter, your foundation; such publication is better than proclamations of "solving AI".

After all, next week I could claim to have solved human conflict, and make all sorts of grandiose claims just like you have......
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #237 on: October 21, 2024, 04:36:12 am »
it is published but in video form only.  have to watch them and code along.  no copy pasting possible that way so only people willing to do their part.
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« Reply #238 on: October 21, 2024, 04:39:18 am »
it is published but in video form only.  have to watch them and code along.  no copy pasting possible that way so only people willing to do their part.
That raises another question;

why do you feel that copy pasting is bad?

do you not believe in open source AI?

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #239 on: October 21, 2024, 04:41:59 am »
just seems lazy to me.  Handmade hero video series he codes and you can follow along. this way you get to hear the explaining and learn what's going on and see it come together too.  rather that.

but I cna't share the plain text anyways.  there's private info in many parts of my code and many parts of the bots knowledge base will be private info.  Like if it discussed our family medical history, you want me to share that when I just copy paste the code into a public database?  also credit card info, etc etc?  No that's dumb.  And I don't want to have to carefully pull everything like that out.  So can't be bothered to share it that way.  I published it enough.

I mean heck its a MIND.  Would you want ALL the contents of your mind published today?  No.  Some is public and some is private.

Oh and I wouldn't want clones of its mind either really.  I rather people just follow along and customize it by video following.  That way they support my channel too if you think about it.  I'm getting paid then by that person in a way.  Watch time hours and clicks aid my channel on yotuube which then brings adsense revenue to me.  Helps the algorithm of youtube to respect my channel if they watch whole videos to follow along coding along with me.

Like I prefer to make people "earn it".  They shouldn't just get all my hard work for zero effort.  At least they have to decipher what I'm doing to reproduce it, put in some effort.  And also there will be gaps they have to figure out.  Like a detective working out a puzzle and reading between the lines.  Make them invest time and effort. 
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #240 on: October 21, 2024, 05:40:26 am »
   Maybe I missed a page,  but;  Where is the FOOD ?   Does the, uh, thing EAT,  as it can't very well do an electrical system,  as we know it.

   I wouldn't think it would be a hunter,  for food.
   Can you point me to the page here,  describing nourishment ?

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #241 on: October 21, 2024, 05:55:01 am »
   Amusing summary,  given there!
   "Absolutely everything.".  (Is needed).

   Ok then.  Alrighty.
   I think you are starting to lose me, here.
   Did you say,  you've included your credit card number,  in the coding files ?

   Why not, then,  have that 'first' limb also type in all the rest (of the 'code').
Wait...;  Code what ?  Processor ?   That's electric,  or so I've heard.

I think you lost 1 reader,  here.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #242 on: October 21, 2024, 06:25:11 am »
My robot will use lithium batteries.  Not sure what this guy is talking about with the food comments.  Also, the AI will code itself by outputing file amendments to its files.  There is no need for it to type.  This can be done in software directly.

As to the credit card number, I have not yet included that, but it will most likely go in at some point.  Or the robot could simply see it and store it without my knowing it did so.  That would mean I'd blindly share it if I were just pushing all knowledge of the robot to github blindly.  So to painstakingly go through every line of it to ensure it is all public facing non-sensitive data would be unreasonable and this would have to happen EVERY update.  Not up for that AT ALL.

In any case, the robot having my financial info would enable it to buy stuff online for itself.  So lets say it sees we are out of whiteout or w/e.  Rather than telling me it would just buy more itself and when it comes, it would put it in the whiteout area.  Or if running its own business it would just buy stuff it needs with my CC number. 
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #243 on: October 21, 2024, 07:28:41 am »
@artbyrobot, you said: "Nobody watched them including you Steve who claim to care so much, you DID NOT watch them start to finish all of them."

I'm not sure "care" is a word I would use, but I am certainly interested and intrigued, and I certainly want to see some progress happening soon.

Your are right - I have only watched a couple of your videos because I find them extraordinarily slow and tedious - and impossible to watch. I wish you would learn to communicate concisely. Just the facts, sir, just the facts.
 

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #244 on: October 21, 2024, 11:08:06 am »
The AI - I SOLVED AI:

You have to implant lots of facts in a hierarchical database to create a knowledge base and then have rules lists covering rules for different situations in different databases for different categories of behavior. 

...

 :-DD

You have "solved" it in this way? Hmmm -

https://deepgram.com/ai-glossary/rule-based-ai

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #245 on: October 21, 2024, 12:21:16 pm »
From that article, it says "Unlike its more dynamic counterparts, rule-based AI stands out due to its reliance on human-crafted rules" --- this is where I go well beyond this limited scope version of rules-based AI described in this article.  In this article then, they are saying the robot will only EVER do as much as you hand craft it to do - never learning, never growing.  This clearly is too limiting.  The key then is that you have enough rules set in place to where the robot can follow those rules which instruct it on how to make its own rules as it learns new if-then conditions and can also input new knowledge into its knowledge database.  This way, it branches well beyond the human crafted original ruleset (the seed) and grows into a tree.  So while that article captures some sense of my AI, my AI is not limited to the unimaginative and overly restrictive scope that rules based AI may have had historically.  As I said, I have a mixture of different AI philosophies going into my AI and am not pigeonholed by any one AI method and its shortcomings.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #246 on: October 21, 2024, 12:27:18 pm »
From that same article xrunner posted: "One of the most compelling benefits of rule-based AI is its transparency and predictability. Since operations are directly tied to the developer-set rules, understanding and predicting the system's behavior becomes straightforward. This transparency is crucial for applications where predictability and reliability are paramount." --- this part I LOVE!  This is where LLMs FAIL.  Lack of transparency.  With rules based AI, you can know EXACTLY what the robot will do and the robot can even note the series of rules that led to its decision in a log so you can back trace everything and find out what went wrong if its behavior was amiss.  Then you can edit a rule that led to its action or add a new condition etc to fix it for next time.  Even better is that because the robot will also be making its own rules, I can go through its rules and tweak them and observe them, having a real time easy access to what it is learning and rules it is making and ability to fix anything I don't like as it evolves.  With these new rules going into effect, the robot WILL have emerging behaviors and ever increasing expertise in countless fields and will be ever increasingly complex.  And this complexity will all be fully transparent and editable.  It can never go far from what it should be doing and any bug in its rules will be easy to find.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #247 on: October 21, 2024, 12:40:15 pm »

The AI - I SOLVED AI:


You either have no clue whatsoever what other people and groups have already done and are working on in this area, or you have a really bad tendency to create embellishments of insane magnitude over-hyping what you think is some great accomplishment you seem to have created. Either one of those is a bad habit.

Sortof like making claims of "An invention" simply by attaching a lamp to your chair -

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #248 on: October 21, 2024, 12:41:13 pm »
In case of the natural intelligence, its seed starts with a human baby who is born totally ignorant. This ignorant baby may become, after years, the most knowledgeable human on earth (in a certain field in the least).

Let us see when the human intelligence can create an equivalent to it by a totally ignorant AI seed (a robot baby).
 
A philosopher: A living thing has no choice but to execute its pre-programmed instructions embedded in it (known as instincts).
Therefore, the only freedom, a human may have, is his ability to oppose or not his natural robotic nature.
But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
 

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #249 on: October 21, 2024, 12:46:49 pm »
The lamp attached to a chair is not something I've seen.  It is a invention in my book.  It turns WITH the chair, mounted to chair so not in the way of scooting your chair like a base stand lamp would be.  Novel in my experience.  If I invent something already invented not knowing it exists, that's still an invention though a repeat but still an invention in my world.

As far as you thinking my AI is not novel or innovated as described, prove it.  Who else solved AI like this.  Nobody if they did we'd all be using it like we use chatgpt.

As far as a baby being born totally ignorant, that's not true.  The baby already knows how to learn and has a lot of knowledge before even being born.  Like if you give birth while in water they swim to the surface without being taught that.  Baby deer and stuff get up and start walking and know to follow their mom.  My daughter looked people in the eyes observing them immediately after birth.  She already could tell foreground from background, could make out faces, knew faces carried great significance, wanted to be near her parents and cried when taken away to NICU, there was TONS of knowledge already there like millions of lines of code if it was a AI.  So an AI cannot be considered baby stage until years of development already in.
Robots Project website:  http://www.artbyrobot.com
Full humanoid robot building playlist:  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhd7_i6zzT5-MbwGz2gMv6RJy5FIW_lfn
 


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