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Oscilloscope ASIC Kickstarter instead of Open scope.
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ogden:

--- Quote from: nctnico on January 13, 2020, 04:29:38 pm ---When it comes to FPGAs pricing is even more muddy. You have to go to Xilinx with a project and they will give you a price.

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Right. FPGA (and fast ADC's) of your choice may fall under export control restrictions as well.  That's why they want to know more about your product and to whom /where you will be selling it.


--- Quote ---Recently I have been looking at Zync development boards and some boards are sold at prices below the single quantity prices on Digikey. Not sure what is going on here;

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Manufacturers often sell devboards (including their BOM) at zero profit or even below that. Prices for older chips tend to increase rapidly. Hobbyist looking for LQFP FPGA that were introduced 5 years ago, may get wrong impression about FPGA pricing. (example that may not be your case)
T3sl4co1l:
Don't forget that DK/Mouser/etc. have a default catalog price, which is basically your optimistic "thanks for looking!" price.  As mentioned, they participate in sales and supply contracts just as much as anyone, and that is where you can negotiate better prices.

My one example: a modest (80MSps 12b 2ch) ADC by National, we were considering improving.  Via FAE, we picked an ADI part with twice as many channels and a fraction of the total operating power (1.8 vs. 3.3V, among other improvements), and they offered it for a lower per-part cost at the quantities we proposed.  So, they improved on BOM cost alone, but also offered considerable economy with the bigger and better-performing part.  The manufacturer in turn negotiated with Digikey, who quoted the price to us.

It's also my understanding that DK is very competitive in passives, when you're buying them in boxes or pallets at a time (i.e., millions of units).  Not much of an economy the home gamer can take advantage of, but it shows they're not all about your top dollar.

Tim
tautech:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on January 13, 2020, 10:34:13 am ---I've unlocked this thread because I think it's hugely interesting, please play nice.

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Thanks Dave, yes it is interesting yet it might seem the OP has yet to get a full perspective on what's already in the marketplace.
Any new ASIC will need to be positioned for the upper end of mid-range products such is the capability of existing off the shelf solutions currently available. Only then the economies are likely to offer a ROI.
ogden:

--- Quote from: nctnico on January 13, 2020, 05:38:45 pm ---I don't think an open source project should aim to compete with low cost equipment.

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Low end market is only chance for hobby/startup/Kickstarter projects because buyers of hi-end/expensive stuff would not risk to source their equipment from nonreliable sources, not to mention Kickstarter :) They would pay 2x price or more just to be assured that product or it's support will not suddenly disappear one day. After years when you are big fat and famous - then you can look for hi-end market. Hoping to be successful in hi-end from day one - forget it.


--- Quote ---The advantage should be in having an open software platform which people (companies) can extend and build upon. FPGAs fit much better in such an approach than a fixed function ASIC.

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Could not agree more. You pretty much nailed it.
iMo:
If I were for example Rigol I would offer to the EEVBLOG community an "empty" 1054Z, or 2072A for the production costs + shipping. No fw, no warranties, no support, just naked (hw without fw) box with a schematics. And you may play with it as you wish.
1054ZN $100 + shipping
2072AN $200 + shipping
What would be the response of the community? Will you buy it?
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