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Re: Design of SMPS - Not sure what these spikes are being caused by.
« Reply #125 on: September 22, 2019, 09:08:42 am »
Put roughly half that capacitance across the secondary.  Or maybe more, it depends on the winding and it's not obvious from the datasheet.

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Re: Design of SMPS - Not sure what these spikes are being caused by.
« Reply #126 on: September 22, 2019, 09:41:09 am »
Thanks Tim,
I just wacked the extra inductance in series with the primary too. I like easy.
Still lost on wattage though.
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Re: Design of SMPS - Not sure what these spikes are being caused by.
« Reply #127 on: September 22, 2019, 09:59:59 am »
I missed what wattage you're looking for?

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Re: Design of SMPS - Not sure what these spikes are being caused by.
« Reply #128 on: September 22, 2019, 10:32:11 am »
I am looking at wattage through the inductors. Peak to peak through L1 (in blue) is about 96W but average is about 17W.
96W is kinda errr.. hot. The fet looks like it's in spec though. Roughly.


 

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Re: Design of SMPS - Not sure what these spikes are being caused by.
« Reply #129 on: September 22, 2019, 12:17:31 pm »
That's instantaneous power and I think mostly reactive at that.  You need average power, with the DCR and core loss entered correctly.

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Re: Design of SMPS - Not sure what these spikes are being caused by.
« Reply #130 on: September 22, 2019, 01:28:34 pm »
Sorry, you have lost me ? Reactive vs apparent ?
 

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Re: Design of SMPS - Not sure what these spikes are being caused by.
« Reply #131 on: September 22, 2019, 06:41:02 pm »
Yes, those terms apply here, in the time domain, for pulse waveforms; it's not just for sine wave steady-state.  :)

Calculating those quantities exactly is a bit of a pain, but the short of it is: you're storing some energy in the inductor, then dumping it into the load.  This is reactive power.  Reactive power (VAR) divided by switching frequency (and there's a factor of 2pi in there) is the energy stored in the reactance, which is also E = 0.5 L Ipk^2.  (There'll be some factors of sqrt(2) or 3 or such in there, for a square wave, but the 2pi alone is correct for the sine wave case.)

Power dissipated in the inductor is VAR / Q, if you know the Q factor of the inductor.

Output power equals VAR if the current is discontinuous (i.e., all the inductor's energy is dumped into the load, every cycle, the current falling to zero inbetween).  If current is continuous however (if the switch is turning on while there's still current flowing to the output), output power goes up while VAR remains constant (VAR only depends on the change in current or voltage -- the ripple fraction; it's an AC thing only).

(This is handy when you consider a lossy core material that offers a lot of inductance at a low cost: if the power dissipation limit for the inductor is say 1W, and it has a Q of 10, you can get 10 VAR through it; that's only 10W output for a DCM converter, but 50 or 100W or more for a CCM converter with 20% or 10% or even lower ripple fraction, respectively -- assuming you can fit enough wire on the core to handle that much current, and assuming the core retains enough inductance under bias.)

Otherwise, you might as well calculate the losses in the resistive elements (DCR and core loss), or treat it as a black box (fairly necessary for general SPICE models) and wire a power meter circuit around it.

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Re: Design of SMPS - Not sure what these spikes are being caused by.
« Reply #132 on: September 23, 2019, 09:03:38 am »
Think it's time to just build and start cooking toast.
Going for flyback with the 10u/1m inductor. Will put more holes in to test out others if it starts melting.
 


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