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Offline rfguy2020

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Re: Best printer for toner transfer
« Reply #125 on: October 26, 2020, 06:19:49 am »
Huh? Your final question is basically “does anyone know what kind of printer that non-printer uses?”

The plate maker is the specialized printer. But it doesn’t print on paper, it produces printing plates used in a printing press to make large print runs.

Ok. The plate maker printer does not sound to be option. I was able to get backup printer for my Samsung this weekend. I bought another second hand SCX-3205 printer, so it won't be major catastrophe, if my old printer from 2011 decide to retire. This is not ideal solution, but better than nothing.
 

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Re: Best printer for toner transfer
« Reply #126 on: January 16, 2021, 11:10:03 pm »
Hi everyone,

I just bought a HP laserjet 2300, following recommendations from Pulsar paper website, and SilverSolder here.  :)

SilverSolder, would you mind sharing here the specific Samsung driver that you use for best results with this printer, please? Also, thanks for your test pages, I'll be using these.

What OS are you using with this printer? Is there some clever tweaking or file editing needed to make your Samsung driver work with the HP hardware or does it just work by doing right-click and "update driver" from within Device Manager in Windows? I use Windows 8.1.

Thank you!
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Re: Best printer for toner transfer
« Reply #127 on: January 17, 2021, 12:13:10 am »

Congratulations with your new-to-you purchase!

The files are too big to attach in the forum.  The driver I use is the HP PCL v6 one, and I am using it on Windows 7 64 bit.  Available here:

https://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/DR/201106/20110607150014918/PCL-2570.exe



There are other drivers including Postscript versions linked from this page:

https://www.driver-samsung.net/2018/09/samsung-ml-2570-driver-for-windows.html
[Edit:] This is not an official Samsung page and I can't vouch for what you'll find there

For what it's worth, I use the PCL driver because you might expect a HP printer to have excellent support for that.

I don't know anything about Windows 8,  but on Windows 7 I just ran the install file linked above and everything worked.
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Re: Best printer for toner transfer
« Reply #128 on: January 20, 2021, 04:01:23 pm »
Thank you very much! I've been playing around a little bit but I didn't try to transfer anything yet. But I'm having a hard time with drivers... (both HP and Samsung)

I'm using Windows 8.1. When I connect the printer for the first time, Windows installs a Microsoft version of a PCL6 driver. It prints fine but I don't have any control; printer "properties" are limited to the bare minimum: only color / B&W (which on this printer is amusing), portrait/landscape, paper size and that's all.

Then I can of course install HP drivers from this page, that is, either PCL or PS version of their "universal print driver". Apparently they don't provide the custom driver (which they call "full solution") for this specific model, or at least not anymore.

Here is the 1st problem : in "print quality" dialog, 1200 dpi (or ProRes 1200) is not available. The only choices are 600dpi, as well as a range of HP "custom" settings which are all 600dpi with various interpolations : FastRes 1200; ImageRet3600, General Office, Professional, Presentation.

The 2nd problem is that all these "quality" settings don't seem to make any difference in the final print, and all of these give worse results than with the Microsoft basic driver. I checked with naked eye and with a USB microscope. The edges of any black lines or shapes are all slightly crenelated. At least they are not as fuzzy as they are with the PostScript driver, but still not great.

It seems that HP's "universal" driver doesn't support "true" 1200dpi. At least I've found two forum threads were people had the same problem : (1) and (2).

I downloaded the Samsung driver upon your suggestion, but sadly I couldn't use this Samsung driver myself on Windows 8.1. If I run the standalone installer, the Samsung utility doesn't detect the printer. And if I manually unzip the Samsung drivers somewhere, and then I manually update the drivers from the Device Manager, then the drivers are installed, and when I click "printer properties" for the HP 2300 printer I get the Samsung version of the window (which is good) ; but then it won't print anything; an error message "There's an error, the printer couldn't print..." each time I try to print something.

So, before I go through the hassle of setting up virtual machines to redo my tests on older Windows versions, would anyone please tell me if you have any suggestions? I'd be glad to hear. Does anyone happen to have a copy (if they ever existed) of "full feature drivers" from HP for this model? (HP LaserJet 2300). And if so, for which versions of Windows?

Maybe I can just use the standard Microsoft driver, because it works OK, but it is a bit disappointing to be forced to give up on all the detailed controls that the official HP driver is supposed to offer.

Thank you very much for your help! I've also emailed Pulsar, because they seem to be regular users of this printer. I'll report back here if I get a reply :)
 

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Re: Best printer for toner transfer
« Reply #129 on: January 20, 2021, 06:08:05 pm »

I know how you feel - I spent many hours on this, because HP decided to drop ProRes 1200 from their drivers after Windows XP.  Planned obsolescence, basically.


Is there any way of running the driver in Windows 7 compatibility mode, or anything like that?


I was never able to get the HP Universal Driver to give the ProRes funcionality.

However, I did find another HP printer driver that works for the 2300, and supports ProRes 1200:   it is the driver for the LaserJet 1320 PCL6.

I don't know if it will work on Win 8, but it might?  Also, there are some differences between the two printers, so anomalies may occur - but I am able to print with it no problems.

The Samsung driver is the easiest to use - no BS, it "just works" (on Win 7).
 

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Re: Best printer for toner transfer
« Reply #130 on: January 20, 2021, 06:39:27 pm »
Install Windows XP in a virtual machine (to create one, use either VirtualBox or VMware Player, both free), then install the driver you want inside the WinXP virtual machine.

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Re: Best printer for toner transfer
« Reply #131 on: January 21, 2021, 10:28:13 am »
That's a solution that I wanted to avoid at first, but I'm currently playing around with just that, VMware player and XP.

There is indeed a "full" (ie not universal) driver for the HP 2300 for XP. I should have checked more carefully the HP downloads page!

But it seems that I can't just share the printer from the guest system (XP) to the host (W8.1), because when I try to "add a new printer" on the host and select the printer shared by XP, W8.1 says that it still needs a driver on the host too...

So if I want to print using a printer that has its driver installed in a VM, I think there's no other choice than exporting to PDF from the host, copying files to the VM and then printing from a PDF reader installed on the VM? That's doable but a bit more convoluted than I'd like. Or am I missing something?
 

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Re: Best printer for toner transfer
« Reply #132 on: January 21, 2021, 11:25:19 am »
It should work either without any driver or with any other "incomplete" driver in the host (real) machine.  The guest (virtual) machine won't see the printer attached to the host unless you attach the printer to the guest, from the VMware settings of your XP guest machine.  Do not share the printer between the two guest/host, give the printer to the guest XP only.

If it doesn't work, try VirtualBox, it has way more settings.

Also, no matter which one you use, either VMware or VirtualBox, install the extra add-on/enhancement (don't remember how they are called).  Once you install the extra package both in the guest and the host machines, you should be able to copy/paste from one desktop to another.  CTRL-C your file, CTRL-V in XP, then print from XP.

There are further way to simplify this, by sharing folders between the machine, or integrating the two like it would be one desktop, but this will only add confusion, so just use copy/paste and print from XP at first.
 
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Re: Best printer for toner transfer
« Reply #133 on: January 21, 2021, 12:05:30 pm »
That's a solution that I wanted to avoid at first, but I'm currently playing around with just that, VMware player and XP.

There is indeed a "full" (ie not universal) driver for the HP 2300 for XP. I should have checked more carefully the HP downloads page!

But it seems that I can't just share the printer from the guest system (XP) to the host (W8.1), because when I try to "add a new printer" on the host and select the printer shared by XP, W8.1 says that it still needs a driver on the host too...

So if I want to print using a printer that has its driver installed in a VM, I think there's no other choice than exporting to PDF from the host, copying files to the VM and then printing from a PDF reader installed on the VM? That's doable but a bit more convoluted than I'd like. Or am I missing something?
No, that’s how it is. Printer sharing just shares the interface, it doesn’t have anything to do with the page description language and the driver.

Man do I wish this weren’t the case, since my workhorse printer (a 2008 inkjet) is not supported under newer OSes, either...

I know that ages ago, one could configure a CUPS/ghostprint server that would present itself as a shared PostScript printer, thus allowing any old OS to print to it using generic PostScript drivers. But I’ve long since forgotten how to do it.
 

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Re: Best printer for toner transfer
« Reply #134 on: January 21, 2021, 01:58:06 pm »
The way I work around this, is to print to a PDF file (Print To PDF) from whatever application needs to print on the "special" printer.   Then I pick that PDF up in the virtual machine (or on a separate machine) and print from there.  That way, you don't have to install all the applications in every machine - you just need a way to print PDF.   The format supports very high resolution so there is no quality loss this way.

Now, all you need is for the VM to share a directory on the host machine, it is easy to transfer PDFs that way.
 

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Re: Best printer for toner transfer
« Reply #135 on: April 25, 2021, 02:28:17 pm »
I have the same dilemma. I want to buy a new printer that I will use for printing, but also for toner transfer PCBs. Is there anyone who bought a new printer (current model) in the last year or so, and successfully used it for iron/laminator toner transfer? I don't need more that 10mil precision.

Thank you very much!
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Re: Best printer for toner transfer
« Reply #136 on: April 26, 2021, 03:16:53 am »
Yes, the Kyocera Ecosys P2040dw printer. Incredibly cheap toner refills. Only thing to watch out for is that for pcb toner transfer you need to set the 'print density'  in the menu of the printer from the default of 3 to 5. Have a look at my forum entry: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/need-laminator-recommendations-for-toner-transfer/
 


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