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op amp test jig
« on: January 07, 2019, 10:46:22 am »
Hi all,does anyone know of any plans,ie pcb layouts etc for a diy op amp test jig,a sort of go no go type of thing?,cheers Paul m3vuv.
 

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Re: op amp test jig
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2019, 11:48:26 am »
Hi all,does anyone know of any plans,ie pcb layouts etc for a diy op amp test jig,a sort of go no go type of thing?,cheers Paul m3vuv.

You mean something like diode checker? Like this? http://vakits.com/single-op-amp-tester-kit (just found using search)

Opamps diffeer, by function and pinout, so there can't be universal "fits it all" test jig. Also test circuits to measure various characteristics of opamp, differ.

Manufacturers like TI and AD provides provides unpopulated opamp evaluation boards, such as: http://www.ti.com/tool/OPAMPEVM-SOIC
Hi-speed and RF amplifiers have purpose-built test jigs, such as: http://www.ti.com/tool/LMH6629SDEVAL

You shall tell why you are asking and what kind of problem you are trying to solve.
 
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Re: op amp test jig
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2019, 12:21:42 pm »
Ive just built a 0-30 volt chineese psu kit from ebay,it doesent output,ive built it spot on,there is an opamp gets hot,i want a quick way of testing them and other op amps i have in my junk box,regards m3vuv.
 

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Re: op amp test jig
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2019, 12:30:35 pm »
you could go through app notes that try to look at app notes that give test procedures on the specifications and try to make a one size fits all board for things like measuring bias currents etc, switch or relay controlled, but you would have problems when you have like dual op amps in the same form factor or op-amps with weird pins etc. it could end up quite complicated.
 

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Re: op amp test jig
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2019, 01:10:48 pm »
It depends on what you mean by checker?

It's fairly easy to simply check the basic functionality of an op-amp, by making an LED flasher and it shouldn't be too difficult to make the circuit work with 99% of op-amps, but verifying it meets its specifications is more complex. A simple 1Hz Schmitt trigger oscillator will work with the '741, TL071, OP07 etc. but getting it to distinguish between the three is not simple. It's not possible to make a simple circuit which can spot the difference between a genuine op-amp and a fake.
 

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Re: op amp test jig
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2019, 03:02:31 pm »
Ive just built a 0-30 volt chineese psu kit from ebay,it doesent output,ive built it spot on,there is an opamp gets hot,i want a quick way of testing them and other op amps i have in my junk box,regards m3vuv.

I just breadboard a unity buffer. A set point can be middle of supply. This way I can:
1) check power consumption
2) check input offset
3) check input bias current with a DMM (on positive input).

For smd components I use smd to dip converter. I also bought soic-8 socket to be able to change opamps quikly, but haven't tried it yet.

PS don't forget bypass cap.
 

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Re: op amp test jig
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2019, 05:32:33 pm »
 

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Re: op amp test jig
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2019, 05:57:03 pm »
Something like this would be overkill but the test circuits give some idea of what is required.

A simple tester might just measure:

1. Input offset voltage.
2. Input bias current.
3. Input offset current.
4. Supply quiescent current.
5. Maximum output source current.
6. Maximum output sink current.

That covers the most common subtle failure modes and can be done with one test assembly.  The next step up would be making those measurements over the common mode input voltage range which is easy enough to do.  The next step above that would be also measuring the source and sink current versus output voltage.

For what it is worth, the most common subtle failure I encounter is high input bias and/or offset current because the input stage was damaged.
 

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Re: op amp test jig
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2019, 01:51:31 pm »
i found one on another forum should fit my needs!,see attached,cheers m3vuv.
 

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Re: op amp test jig
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2019, 02:06:50 pm »
i found one on another forum should fit my needs!,see attached,cheers m3vuv.
Yes, that should do a basic check. I'm not sure how well the '741 on the output will work, as it might have its input taken outside its common mode range though. No doubt it could be simplified somewhat.
 

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Re: op amp test jig
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2019, 04:06:32 pm »
i found one on another forum should fit my needs!,see attached,cheers m3vuv.
Yes, that should do a basic check. I'm not sure how well the '741 on the output will work, as it might have its input taken outside its common mode range though. No doubt it could be simplified somewhat.

I think the 741 may be hard to find.  I need a bunch, in the metal can, if anybody runs across a source.
I'm not sure what to substitute and there are hundreds and hundreds of op amps.
 

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Re: op amp test jig
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2019, 04:26:50 pm »
i found one on another forum should fit my needs!,see attached,cheers m3vuv.
Yes, that should do a basic check. I'm not sure how well the '741 on the output will work, as it might have its input taken outside its common mode range though. No doubt it could be simplified somewhat.

I think the 741 may be hard to find.  I need a bunch, in the metal can, if anybody runs across a source.
I'm not sure what to substitute and there are hundreds and hundreds of op amps.
The 741 is widely available in SMT and DIP packages. The metal can is rare. I think I have some lying around but don't know if they work, so wouldn't sell them.
https://www.digikey.co.uk/products/en?keywords=ua741
https://uk.rs-online.com/web/c/semiconductors/amplifiers-comparators/op-amps/?searchTerm=ua741&redirect-relevancy-data=636F3D3126696E3D4931384E53656172636847656E65726963266C753D656E266D6D3D6D61746368616C6C7061727469616C26706D3D5E5B5C707B4C7D5C707B4E647D2D2C2F255C2E5D2B2426706F3D31333326736E3D592673723D2673743D4B4559574F52445F53494E474C455F414C5048415F4E554D455249432673633D592677633D4E4F4E45267573743D7561373431267374613D756137343126&r=f&searchHistory=%7B%22enabled%22:true%7D
 

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Re: op amp test jig
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2019, 04:46:27 pm »
I think the 741 may be hard to find.  I need a bunch, in the metal can, if anybody runs across a source.

Why do you need exactly 741 and in metal can?
 

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Re: op amp test jig
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2019, 05:15:20 pm »
I think the 741 may be hard to find.  I need a bunch, in the metal can, if anybody runs across a source.

Why do you need exactly 741 and in metal can?
My first instinct was to say temperature, but after Googling the data sheets, I couldn't see any difference in the temperature rating, to the ceramic DIP. The only advantage for the metal can is heatsinking. The junction to case thermal resistance is specified for the can, but not for the DIP and TO-5 heatsinks are available.
http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm741-mil.pdf?HQS=TI-null-null-mousermode-df-pf-null-wwe&DCM=yes&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mouser.co.uk%2F

The only other reason is authenticity. If one is repairing an old piece of equipment, using original parts can help to preserve its value.

Mouser sell the TO-5 packaged 741 but it isn't cheap:
https://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/LM741H?qs=QbsRYf82W3H3APg1dDoXnw==
 


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