Request for help with translation

[perdrix]

I maintain the DeepSkyStacker astronomical image stacking software.

It's translated into 12 non-English languages.  I've a passing acquaintance with many of them and can get the job done with help from Google translate, but some languages I cannot handle.

I've got some strings I want translated to Czech, Russian, Turkish and Traditional Chinese:

 The checked pictures are not compatible: %1.
 Master dark used and more than one dark loaded
 Master dark flat used and more than one dark flat loaded
 Master flat used and more than one flat loaded
 Master offset used and more than one offset loaded
 Width mismatch
 Height mismatch
 Colour depth mismatch
 Number of channels mismatch

the %1 in the first string is a placeholder for one of the strings below.

I have tentative translations for the first string:

 Czech                   Vybrané obrazy nejsou slučitelné %1.
 Russian                Отмеченные кадры разные, не совместимы: %1.
 Turkish                 İşaretli görüntüler birbirleriyle uyuşmuyor: %1.
 Trad.Chinese         勾選的影像彼此不相容: %1.

If you're a native (or fluent) speaker of (one or more) of the languages in question (or know someone who is), please would you let me know the correct translations.

Please reply here rather than by PM - I'd prefer to get eyes on the translations just in case some joker decides to feed me a "dodgy" translation.

PS the terms Dark, Dark Flat, Flat, Offset with or without the Master modifier are domain specific.  Some languages translate these terms (e.g. French), others don't (e.g. Dutch).

Many thanks
David

[Vincent]

You mentioned French. It's my first language so maybe I can help. 

[jonpaul]

no need for human translation

DeepL app, web very accurate long texts, docs, free, very accurate

https://www.deepl.com/translator

Highland Reccomended

j

[oz2cpu]

i strongly encurage people who use a computer and computer programs to install and use only English programs,
it is directly bad to use a program in what ever else language, even if it is available,
simply : it is impossible to search for help online,
no matter where you are from, please release ALL programs in English only.. much less frustrations and wasted time globally,

[tooki]

no need for human translation

DeepL app, web very accurate long texts, docs, free, very accurate

https://www.deepl.com/translator

Highland Reccomended

j

Maybe one day, but not today.

Having translated a major software program (several thousand strings, plus all documentation, correspondence templates, etc.) I can assure you: it’s not even easy for a professional translator to do. (Translating software isn’t like translating long-form text.) It’s not uncommon for software localization to require changes in code (to handle things like pluralization and word order, since variables may not appear in a string in the same order in every language).

I wish you’d stop posting so many replies about things you don’t know anything about. It’s fine to not know stuff. It’s not cool to not know something, but pretend you do…

[tooki]

I maintain the DeepSkyStacker astronomical image stacking software.

It's translated into 12 non-English languages.  I've a passing acquaintance with many of them and can get the job done with help from Google translate, but some languages I cannot handle.
…

FYI, you’ll need to supply the translators with the existing translated strings for their language, so they can match existing terminology, etc.

[ebastler]

no need for human translation
DeepL app, web very accurate long texts, docs, free, very accurate

Highland Reccomended

Those computer programs are getting so darn smart these days! Your auto-correction even inserted its own comment on the wisdom of blindly trusting computers with natural language matters.

"Highland Recommended"... Thanks for the chuckle.

[Njk]

I maintain the DeepSkyStacker astronomical image stacking software.

A knowledge in that specific domain (astronomy) is also required, I presume

[perdrix]

Interesting comments ...

The existing translation work was done by native speakers of each language who wanted the programme translated to their native language.

I wholeheartedly agree that having a good English version is better than a badly translated version ...

Word order issues - Oh yes, and of course things like singular, paucal (or dual), and plural; and 1.000.000 versus 1,000,000 etc. etc..  Luckily Qt takes at least some of the the pain out of that.

If you (or someone you know) is/are a native or fluent speaker of Czech, Russian, Turkish, or Trad. Chinese, and can spare a few minutes, I really could do with having those strings translated for the next beta release.

Yes, a limited knowledge of Astrophotography will help.

Thanks
David

[harerod]

Quote from: jonpaul on 2023-01-26, 15:34:49

no need for human translation

DeepL app, web very accurate long texts, docs, free, very accurate

>https://www.deepl.com/translator

Highland Reccomended

j

......

The worst feature of DeepL is its tendency of faking a smooth, albeit wrong translation. Only this morning I was asked to comment on a translation Japanese->English by that abomination.
The source was a newspaper article. Even with the context of "flying kites" it managed to render "揚" into "frying" (there is a cooking style that uses the same kanji, as in 唐揚げ). If this was done by a human translator, knowing the Japanese's weakness with liquid sounds, it would be considered rather insulting. 
Even the better translation tools suffer from lack of context. Therefore translating a batch of strings from a UI can but end in disaster.
As we recently iterated in another thread, the best translator is a native speaker of the target language, with high proficiency in the source language plus a background in the topic at hand.

[jonpaul]

using reverso, duolinguo, Google and Bing translation some years, all have various downsides and limitations.

Discovered Deep 2 years ago, never looked back. At least for French >< English itt's he best, fastes, and most accurate.

By switching back and forth one can correct a slightly faulty translation.

Jon

[DavidKo]

I maintain the DeepSkyStacker astronomical image stacking software.


 The checked pictures are not compatible: %1. Vybrané obrázky nejsou kompatibilní: %1
 Master dark used and more than one dark loaded Použit master dark, ale načteno více
 Master dark flat used and more than one dark flat loaded Použit master dark flat, ale načteno více
 Master flat used and more than one flat loaded Použit master flat, ale načteno více
 Master offset used and more than one offset loaded Použit master offset, ale načteno více
 Width mismatch Rozdílná šířka
 Height mismatch Rozdílná výška
 Colour depth mismatch Rozdílná barevná hloubka
 Number of channels mismatch Rozdílný počet kanálů

Please find it behing the text. I must say, I'm not too much familiar with DSS, but I hope that the translation is correct. I used DSS in English to avoid naming confusion. I have posted remark to czech astronomical forum, if they can check it here.

[tooki]

using reverso, duolinguo, Google and Bing translation some years, all have various downsides and limitations.

Discovered Deep 2 years ago, never looked back. At least for French >< English itt's he best, fastes, and most accurate.

By switching back and forth one can correct a slightly faulty translation.

Machine translation is fine for understanding the gist of a document in a language you don’t speak.

But it simply isn’t good enough for things like software, and the problem is, if you’re translating into a language you don’t speak yourself, you can’t identify the errors, since the back-translation may appear correct!

One of the issues is that software contains lots of strings that aren’t complete sentences. The correct translation depends not only on subject matter expertise, but on context that the machine translator doesn’t have. (For example, menu items live within the context of the menu they’re within.)

Professional software translators use special software to help automate the translation process (e.g. by managing terminology, established translation snippets, recognizing existing terminology, etc), but the final translation is still performed by a human.

But what do I know, I only did that exact work for several years…

[perdrix]

Please find it behing the text. I must say, I'm not too much familiar with DSS, but I hope that the translation is correct. I used DSS in English to avoid naming confusion. I have posted remark to czech astronomical forum, if they can check it here.

Thanks very much.  I think you may need to change those a little:

e.g. Použit master dark, ale načteno více

translates back to English as: Use master dark but loaded more

would: Byl použit Master Dark, ale bylo nahráno více než jedno Dark

be better?

Thanks again, David

[perdrix]

I now have the Trad. Chinese translations:

勾选的图片不相容: %1.
使用了 Master Dark 但加載了不止一張 Dark 圖像
使用了 Master Dark Flat 但加載了不止一張 Dark Flat 圖像
使用了 Master Flat 但加載了不止一張 Flat 圖像
使用了 Master Offset 但加載了不止一張 Offset 圖像
 
寬度不同
高度不同
顏色深度不同
通道数不同

David

[Njk]

Even the better translation tools suffer from lack of context. Therefore translating a batch of strings from a UI can but end in disaster.

Absolutely. I'm afraid it's going to be a long boring story, like trying to learn math through reading a FAQs. How many messages are there to translate? It's not necessarily about money, I think the best way would be to find an interested people at an astronomy forum and let them to contribute to the open source code.

[DavidKo]

To be true I was struggling a lot with translation of the 4 sentences. They to not make too much sense to me even in English.

The checked pictures are not compatible: Master dark used and more than one dark loaded

What you want to say with this sentence and more than one dark loaded?
 
For me make sense something like "Master dark used, rest of the loaded dark pictures not used" or "Master dark used instead of loaded dark pictures"

[DavidKo]

...
e.g. Použit master dark, ale načteno více

translates back to English as: Use master dark but loaded more

would: Byl použit Master Dark, ale bylo nahráno více než jedno Dark
...

The back translation of the part before the comma is wrong . You can use both "Použit" or "Byl použit" it will have same meaning in Czech. use can be translated as použít when used as a command.

[perdrix]

Some background:

A dark (or dark frame) is an image take with the lens cap on with the same exposure as a "light" which is an image of the star field.   This allows correction of faults in the sensor.  A flat (or flat frame) is an image of an evenly illuminated field which allow correction of problems like vignetting or dust motes.  A dark flat is a dark taken with the same exposure as the flat.  An offset or bias frame is taken with lens cap on and the shortest possible exposure.  All these are "calibration" frames/images.

It is possible to  take multiple calibration frames of a given type and "stack" them to create an image that is a noise reduced median (typically) of those images.   This is referred to as a Master frame - so a Master Dark is built from a set of Dark frames.   Similarly for the other calibration frame types.

When stacking lights, you can either supply a set of Darks which are processed to create a temporary Master Dark, or you can supply a Master Dark on its own.   In this case it makes no sense to supply any other Darks.   In either case the master dark is subtracted from the lights to correct sensor faults, and the lights are then stacked to reduce noise.

If you use a master image of any type, it makes no sense to supply a set of images of the same type as the master (dark/dark flat/flat/offset) already contains what is needed.

HtH
David

[perdrix]

For me make sense something like "Master dark used, rest of the loaded dark pictures not used" or "Master dark used instead of loaded dark pictures"

I'm saying that if the user provides a Master Dark (e.g.) it is an error to load any other Dark images. 

[DavidKo]

It is an information or an error message and user need to correct his input?

[DavidKo]

If it is the information than there should be the information what happened and not confuse the user with half information. Since sentence "and more pictures are loaded" gives no additional information. It gives additional questions - will the program use them, will it crash later, will it delete them ...

If it is an error message than I'm missing clear information what to do. Like "Use only one Master dark picture".


It confirms what I have heard in one of the programming lessons - the hardest part is the user interface. Users can produce inputs that did not came programmer into mind 

[perdrix]

No it is very simple:

If you load a Master Dark frame (e.g.) it is an error to load any other Dark frames. 

[DavidKo]

Ah OK. So the program stops and you need to go one step back and unselect the wrong files.

I'm not able to replicate the error with my knowledge of the DSS, so I cannot see how the program behave.

[perdrix]

I just discovered that the messages of the form "Master <type> used and more than one <type> loaded" are in a dead code path (no longer called).

So I think I have most of what I need apart from Turkish...

Thanks for all the help so far