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Re: Extreme Brutal and Simply Bench Power Supply Project /Statron/
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2018, 12:54:13 am »
This is how I made my first power supplies some decades ago. Stability was everything, ensured by a "fat" output capacitor creating a dominant loop pole so low that any other time constants had no choice to make it unstable.

A side effect was a sort of "electronic Widlarization", especially for the higher voltage versions. If a test circuit misbehaved and decided to go low-ohmic for whatever reason, the output cap would just dump a few or even a few ten Joules into it, causing the culprit to enter the eternal electronic hunting grounds immediately. Smaller circuit would even evaporate leaving a clueless operator behind. Happened once with a 400V supply.
 
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Re: Extreme Brutal and Simply Bench Power Supply Project /Statron/
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2018, 08:08:44 am »
This is how I made my first power supplies some decades ago. Stability was everything, ensured by a "fat" output capacitor creating a dominant loop pole so low that any other time constants had no choice to make it unstable.

A side effect was a sort of "electronic Widlarization", especially for the higher voltage versions. If a test circuit misbehaved and decided to go low-ohmic for whatever reason, the output cap would just dump a few or even a few ten Joules into it, causing the culprit to enter the eternal electronic hunting grounds immediately. Smaller circuit would even evaporate leaving a clueless operator behind. Happened once with a 400V supply.


Great answer!
But sorry for my english. What   "electronic hunting" means?  :-//
You say "cap would just dump a few or even a few ten Joules into it"
No way to limit current isnt`it?
 

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Re: Extreme Brutal and Simply Bench Power Supply Project /Statron/
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2018, 08:22:49 am »
Great answer!
But sorry for my english. What   "electronic hunting" means?  :-//

They (seem to) mean that the component is killed/destroyed, damaged beyond further use.
Analogous to hunting/killing animals in a hunting ground.

By the excessive current/energy.
 
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Re: Extreme Brutal and Simply Bench Power Supply Project /Statron/
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2018, 08:44:58 am »
Great answer!
But sorry for my english. What   "electronic hunting" means?  :-//

They (seem to) mean that the component is killed/destroyed, damaged beyond further use.
Analogous to hunting/killing animals in a hunting ground.

By the excessive current/energy.

A German phrase that probably does not translate well if you did not read Karl May's Winnetou as a child. When native Indians died there, they went to the "happy hunting grounds".
Beethoven wrote his first symphony in C.
 
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Re: Extreme Brutal and Simply Bench Power Supply Project /Statron/
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2018, 09:37:56 am »
Great answer!
But sorry for my english. What   "electronic hunting" means?  :-//

They (seem to) mean that the component is killed/destroyed, damaged beyond further use.
Analogous to hunting/killing animals in a hunting ground.

By the excessive current/energy.

A German phrase that probably does not translate well if you did not read Karl May's Winnetou as a child. When native Indians died there, they went to the "happy hunting grounds".

LOL Winnetou.... Man, that was long time ago....!!
 

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Re: Extreme Brutal and Simply Bench Power Supply Project /Statron/
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2018, 12:58:07 pm »
This is how I made my first power supplies some decades ago. Stability was everything, ensured by a "fat" output capacitor creating a dominant loop pole so low that any other time constants had no choice to make it unstable.

A side effect was a sort of "electronic Widlarization", especially for the higher voltage versions. If a test circuit misbehaved and decided to go low-ohmic for whatever reason, the output cap would just dump a few or even a few ten Joules into it, causing the culprit to enter the eternal electronic hunting grounds immediately. Smaller circuit would even evaporate leaving a clueless operator behind. Happened once with a 400V supply.

Hi,

your English is probably OK, mine is not. As explained in later posts, the "eternal hunting grounds" were a term for a place where the indians that passed away were going to. I used an analogy for electronic components.

Now about the output cap. The purpose of this is to supply a dead short for all AC voltages, hence it does *not* have a resistor in series to limit current. The side effect is that in case a load circuit causes a short, all the caps charge is dumped into this circuit.
For the energy contained in a cap you have the well known formula of C*U^2/2. So, 100uF at 400V gives 8 Joules, a bit too much for a lot of circuits.


Great answer!
But sorry for my english. What   "electronic hunting" means?  :-//
You say "cap would just dump a few or even a few ten Joules into it"
No way to limit current isnt`it?
 
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