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Offline crispy_tofu

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Re: uBeam Ultrasonic Wireless Charging – A Familiar Fish Smell
« Reply #175 on: October 11, 2015, 06:27:12 am »
*sniff*
Hmmm...  :bullshit:

120dB causes hearing loss, but it takes 155dB to harm the human body. Isn't deafness harm? :-\

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Re: uBeam Ultrasonic Wireless Charging – A Familiar Fish Smell
« Reply #176 on: October 11, 2015, 06:49:20 am »
Looks like there are some figures to work with on the website now:

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WHAT IF SOMEONE WERE TO STAND DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE BEAM?
uBeam's ultrasound energy will not beam to the skin, and the power levels beamed are more than 50 times lower than the lowest ultrasound imaging exposure limits set by the FDA for medical imaging, making the system inherently safe and within all existing regulatory constraints.

Bingo. If someone can find out what the FDA exposure limits are, then it's 50 times less than that at maximum.
I think the only FDA figures will relate to the direct injection of ultasound into flesh, and for frequencies well above 1MHz. Things like ear damage aren't an issue there.
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The "holy grail" experience of true wireless power is one where multiple devices can simply charge in the air as they're moving and as they're being used. It's like the experience of Wi-Fi, but for power. In order to achieve this type of experience, you need a system that can achieve the following - simultaneously:
TRANSMIT LARGE AMOUNTS OF POWER SAFELY
(> 1 WATT PER PHONE)...

So presumably the uBeam is at least 1W output? (but under what conditions?)
The whole article is written to carefully avoid saying anything important. Things like "99.9% of uBeam's emitted ultrasound will bounce off the skin" ignore what it will do to your ears. Most of the safety related comments dodge the real issues like that. The whole thing about shutting down when line of sight is blocked is pretty funny. The writer seems to imagine an ultrasound beam as a hard edged beam, like a collimated light source.

It originally seemed like they were using a frequency only just above human hearing. The article makes it sound like they are now taking the hearing of animals into account, and have pushed the frequency much higher. That won't be good for efficiency. Above 100kHz the losses in air are massive.
 

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Re: uBeam Ultrasonic Wireless Charging – A Familiar Fish Smell
« Reply #177 on: December 07, 2015, 10:31:42 am »
I'm torn. I'm trying to start my own company right now and I'm trying to fight my natural engineer aversion to hype. To sell something, you have to make it sound like it is some revolutionary idea, that only you can carry out this dream. How do we as engineers "cross over?" I don't want to sit in a cubicle for the rest of my life...

It shouldn't be about an aversion to hype. Hype is a marketing tool, and if you want to be in business you'd better be good at marketing.

The problem for engineers is when people make exaggerated claims for things that patently can't do what is claimed. It's not the hype that is the problem, it is the bullshit...


The problem for engineers is that they have been in the situation where marketing, management or their boss has oversold the customer on something they are now required to deliver, or the situation of assessing contracts/bids/offers by suppliers. To an engineer (at least one not in management), hype and  :bullshit: is something they must expend time and effort filtering out.
Sales in the b2b technical field is about communicating what the capabilities and limitations of both companies are because work comes with risks and requirements for each party. Door-to-door sales and showmanship are a completely different ballgame, where the customer purchases something with zero guarantee of fitness for purpose and zero recourse if it turns out to be junk.
 

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Re: uBeam Ultrasonic Wireless Charging – A Familiar Fish Smell
« Reply #178 on: December 07, 2015, 10:42:29 am »
What about the health risks? http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/crr_pdf/2001/crr01343.pdf

Ultrasound makes my teeth itch ;D
 

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Re: uBeam Ultrasonic Wireless Charging – A Familiar Fish Smell
« Reply #179 on: December 07, 2015, 10:45:42 am »

A lot of companies are getting money these days that shouldn't. I think it is down to the same basic cause of the subprime mortgage crisis. With interest rates so low pension funds, endowments, and people with massive wealth need to put their money somewhere to make a decent return.


My theory is that the VCs involved see this as a marketing exercise. It's something they can show off to their investors as a technical looking, edgy, thingamabob that they are investing in. All the publicity surrounding it whether negative or positive gives an air of credibility, and recognition. The list of patents surrounding ultrasonics (a patent fence of sorts) are bankable IP (even if not practical IP), the mangers get a cut from moving money around, the unrecoverable losses made by the company are small (well, small for a VC firm anyway), the inventor gets a nice salary and everyone wins. Welcome to the near-future of STEM! :-DD |O
 

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Re: uBeam Ultrasonic Wireless Charging – A Familiar Fish Smell
« Reply #180 on: December 07, 2015, 10:53:22 am »
What about the health risks? http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/crr_pdf/2001/crr01343.pdf

Ultrasound makes my teeth itch ;D

Nice find there. I sometimes work with rather noisy SMPS in the 16-24kHz range. A colleague already wears earmuffs (noise reducing ear protection), might have to adopt the same practice.
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Offline Fungus

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Re: uBeam Ultrasonic Wireless Charging – A Familiar Fish Smell
« Reply #181 on: December 07, 2015, 11:19:03 am »
Ultrasound makes my teeth itch ;D

I love the way she spends time defending herself from people who imagine her imaginary product will be harmful.

 


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