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uSupply Custom LCD
Monkeh:
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--- Quote from: EEVblog on October 20, 2017, 12:44:27 am ---Once again, got proof of that?, or is that just your opinion?
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No proof, It is just my opinion that OSHW projects that are in a single language or use proprietry file formats and so on, restrict access to those who are fluent in the language or can afford the software eg Altium.
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Ok, so what if I designed the uSupply in the choice of OSWH champions, Eagle, but it's a bigger board than the free version can open and you have to pay $$$ for the licenses version to modify it. How is that different to say Altium Circuit Studio that costs about the same?
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Eh what, Eagle is the choice of champions? Okay, it's at least free to look..
I'm an Eagle user, and I think it's a crap choice for OSHW, very nearly as crap as Altium (again, at least you can look with Eagle..)
Oh, you can modify larger boards - it's just XML, after all..
However, IMO, as long as you release entirely up to date schematic PDFs, BOM (to avoid ambiguities), and gerbers, doing it in Altium (or anything else) is acceptable. If you don't.. well, it's not open: People can't even look.
jaycee:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on October 20, 2017, 01:18:31 am ---
Not sure what you mean by "freetard" but I'm pretty sure I know what you are getting it.
There are already two camps in the OSHW industry, those who want everything to be absolutely open as per the "definition" and will not even entertain the idea that their can be value in something less, and those who are more grounded in the real world.
The former consider my OSHW logo idea video tantamount to sacrilege.
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Yes, the former group. The ones who, for example in Linux complain about the use of firmware blobs in open source drivers. Even if they had the source to the firmware, they wouldn't be able to do anything useful with it and it's more of a "just because".
Open hardware, to me, means you can see the design, derive from some of it, customise it to your own needs, etc.. it does NOT necessarily mean you can 100% clone it yourself. Thats what it should mean.
Incidentally, i'm not a fan of the GPL either. That tends to piss MANY freetards off ;)
ataradov:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on October 20, 2017, 01:18:31 am ---The former consider my OSHW logo idea video tantamount to sacrilege.
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Or another idea - if I made it, I chose what I release. If it does not fit some arbitrary definition of "open" - I could not care less. Can't afford the tools I used, don't know the language - too bad. I release tings (HW and SW) for people that know things.
jaycee:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on October 20, 2017, 01:24:02 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on October 20, 2017, 01:21:14 am ---
--- Quote from: wilfred on October 20, 2017, 01:02:19 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on October 20, 2017, 12:44:27 am ---Once again, got proof of that?, or is that just your opinion?
--- End quote ---
No proof, It is just my opinion that OSHW projects that are in a single language or use proprietry file formats and so on, restrict access to those who are fluent in the language or can afford the software eg Altium.
--- End quote ---
Ok, so what if I designed the uSupply in the choice of OSWH champions, Eagle, but it's a bigger board than the free version can open and you have to pay $$$ for the licenses version to modify it. How is that different to say Altium Circuit Studio that costs about the same?
--- End quote ---
Eh what, Eagle is the choice of champions? Okay, it's at least free to look..
I'm an Eagle user, and I think it's a crap choice for OSHW, very nearly as crap as Altium (again, at least you can look with Eagle..)
Oh, you can modify larger boards - it's just XML, after all..
However, IMO, as long as you release entirely up to date schematic PDFs, BOM (to avoid ambiguities), and gerbers, doing it in Altium (or anything else) is acceptable. If you don't.. well, it's not open: People can't even look.
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When there are good open tools to do the work, then proprietary toolsets may go away. Currently, there isnt. No, KiCAD and gEDA are not good tools.
As for visibility, well thats simple. Schematics can be printed as PDF. Board layouts can similarly be supplied as PDF or Gerber. Im sure automated generation of those can be done fairly easily with Altium just as it could with EAGLE.
One advantage to EAGLE is it has a significantly lower cost of entry. Altium is just out of the question for hobbyists.
Monkeh:
--- Quote from: jaycee on October 20, 2017, 01:24:16 am ---The ones who, for example in Linux complain about the use of firmware blobs in open source drivers. Even if they had the source to the firmware, they wouldn't be able to do anything useful with it
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Wanna bet? I have an AP which works mostly okay.. so long as I don't use the vendor-supplied radio firmware. A third party with source access has made huge improvements to it - and if it were open source, many others would assist..
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