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| donotdespisethesnake:
--- Quote from: madires on April 10, 2020, 03:36:24 pm ---The only reasonable way to ramp up production numbers is licensing the production to other companies to manufacture exact copies of the original design. --- End quote --- ^^ this ! I don't know about medical, but in other industries approval is given to the manufacturing process not just the design. So for example if the assembly calls for bolts correctly torqued, are the staff trained to do that? Is there a record of that? Are the tools calibrated regularly? Is there a record of that? Really this is a case of Dunning-Kruger on the general scale. Even people involved with managing a project, seem to think it is easier than it is and express the opinion "anyone could do this, right?" So it doesn't surprise me at all that a company like Dyson would say "of course our brilliant engineers can make anything* in a week!" and people in government would believe that. |
| ciccio:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 10, 2020, 05:42:22 pm --- --- Quote from: madires on April 10, 2020, 03:36:24 pm ---The only reasonable way to ramp up production numbers is licensing the production to other companies to manufacture exact copies of the original design. All the hype about taking parts from a car's AC or 3D-printing is simply PR nonsense. --- End quote --- Yes, yes and yes. --- End quote --- I strongly agree whith both. The only company in Italy that builds ventilator was called by the Government: - They blocked a delivery to a foreign customer to reserve all available units for Italy - The got help from the Army so workforce could be increased - They called for help to all their subcontractors (even in the current lockdown situation, which makes very difficult for small subcontractros to even open the doors) - They got help from big Companies like Ferrari, Fiat and Magneti Marelli for sourcing parts on international markets and building non-critical parts . But final production and tests are done by the original manufacturer, in their approved plant. It seems to work. Here is a link (in Italian, but Google can help) https://forbes.it/2020/03/24/coronavirus-respiratori-ferrari-fca-e-siare-produzione-ventilatori-polmonari/ Best regards |
| wraper:
--- Quote from: ciccio on April 12, 2020, 03:55:58 pm ---It seems to work. --- End quote --- Google translated: --- Quote ---The production of Siare has therefore gone from 5 to 20 daily ventilators, with the company that has signed the commitment to make 2,000 lung fans by 31 July. --- End quote --- Sounds like a joke in current situation. |
| SiliconWizard:
--- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on April 12, 2020, 03:50:29 pm --- --- Quote from: madires on April 10, 2020, 03:36:24 pm ---The only reasonable way to ramp up production numbers is licensing the production to other companies to manufacture exact copies of the original design. --- End quote --- I don't know about medical, but in other industries approval is given to the manufacturing process not just the design. So for example if the assembly calls for bolts correctly torqued, are the staff trained to do that? Is there a record of that? Are the tools calibrated regularly? Is there a record of that? --- End quote --- Yes, this is exactly the same for medical devices. But it's not just about the manufacturing process either. The whole company, outside of any given product, is also certified in order to be able to get any product further approved. It includes almost any part of the company, including sales, HR, etc. What it means is that even if a company were following every step of an approved manufacturing process to the letter, it would still need to get an appropriate certification such as ISO13485. Does that make things heavy? Sure does. Should some shortcuts be taken in exceptional circumstances? Certainly as long as it doesn't compromise safety. Which is not an easy matter. But should we do just anything just because we are in a hurry? I don't think so. It's usually the worst approach possible. |
| ciccio:
--- Quote from: wraper on April 12, 2020, 04:36:46 pm --- --- Quote from: ciccio on April 12, 2020, 03:55:58 pm ---It seems to work. --- End quote --- Google translated: --- Quote ---The production of Siare has therefore gone from 5 to 20 daily ventilators, with the company that has signed the commitment to make 2,000 lung fans by 31 July. --- End quote --- Sounds like a joke in current situation. --- End quote --- The number of intensive care units in Italy was 5324 before COVID emergency. The Government plan to increase it by at least 2000 units in the shorter possible time. New hospitals have been built or converted, but there is a great shortage of doctors, nurses and other medical professonal. Now, luckily, the numbers are going down and hospitals have free intensive care units. 2000 units will maybe suffice (but I read that some units are being imported or donated by other countries). |
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