Windows 10 on Raspberry Pi!

[Rigby]

Isn't the whole point of Windows that you can run your old shit on it?

I think the point of Windows is to run binaries I can obtain to get stuff done.

The Surface RT and Surface 2 weren't widely accepted because Microsoft made "Desktop" apps fail to execute unless they were digitally signed by Microsoft.

You could jailbreak around this in Windows 8, but not 8.1.  Not yet, at least.

My RT ran lots of stuff I compiled for ARM just fine and dandy.  Microsoft claim the digital signature restriction was put in place to prevent performance issues, but I think there is a lot more to it than that.  People are used to dealing with performance issues on their computers, I don't see what an ARM CPU has to do with it.

So, when I say that "the point of Windows is to run binaries I can obtain to get stuff done" and when Microsoft prohibits people from distributing binaries meant to run on non-x86 processors, Microsoft seals the fate of non-x86 Windows platforms before it even releases them.

[DIPLover]

Isn't the whole point of Windows that you can run your old shit on it?

I think the point of Windows is to run binaries I can obtain to get stuff done.
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My RT ran lots of stuff I compiled for ARM just fine and dandy.  Microsoft claim the digital signature restriction was put in place to prevent performance issues, but I think there is a lot more to it than that.  People are used to dealing with performance issues on their computers, I don't see what an ARM CPU has to do with it.

So, when I say that "the point of Windows is to run binaries I can obtain to get stuff done" and when Microsoft prohibits people from distributing binaries meant to run on non-x86 processors, Microsoft seals the fate of non-x86 Windows platforms before it even releases them.

I used "old shit" as in existing x86 stuff, I was not judging said stuff, lots of it is good and I use it everyday. It's still old shit.

Computers run binaries, also agreed. That your ARM tablet successfully ran software YOU COMPILED for ARM is the absolute minimum.

But what makes Windows an interesting platform is the incredible wealth of existing applications. If windows for ARM cannot run those easily, then it has very little to offer and will most likely fail. This has happened before...

Then if Microsoft actually discourages the distribution of non-x86 software, why do they even bother?

[miguelvp]

My ARM tablet runs my old shit MS-DOS programs just fine with DosBox

Emulating a 4.77Mhz 8088 probably can be done in interpreted basic (of course I'm exaggerating, but just a little)

[MrAl]

Hello,

If Windows 10 can run my desktop apps for regular windows then i would have to buy into it i think.  I would love to be able to run my normal programs on my Android but Android is so incompatible and even incompatible with so much hardware.  I can not even find a USB plug in Bluetooth adapter that can work with Android without any question.  Even USB cameras are not recognized by Android.  My Android sits in a box with the battery disconnected for months at a time.  Battery disconnected because it turns on by itself every 8 days and runs the battery down, but i dont use it anyway because it wont run my good stuff.

[Mechatrommer]

duh dude android is not for pc just as windows is not for sp. android is for kids to develop apps, windows is for pro. at least thats the way it is for now.

[Rigby]

duh dude android is not for pc just as windows is not for sp. android is for kids to develop apps, windows is for pro. at least thats the way it is for now.

You have kind of gone off the deep end, lately.

[Mechatrommer]

duh dude android is not for pc just as windows is not for sp. android is for kids to develop apps, windows is for pro. at least thats the way it is for now.

You have kind of gone off the deep end, lately.

i know whats in the deep end

[tszaboo]

I agree with DIPLover.  The whole point of Windows(whatever version) is being able to run layered apps on it.
Windows for non-x86 architecture has never gone anywhere precisely for this reason.

If people are enamored by Microsoft Visual Studio (which is remarkably powerful, flexible, and free) there have been products like "NETduino" which uses MS Visual Studio as the development platform and .NET Micro Framework 4.2 as the OS.

http://www.netduino.com/hardware/

.NET micro framework? This is interesting, although it's the first time I heard about it.
Although my programming skills only go to C++.

What I think it could be increadibly powerful with the W10RPi, that possibly you can just remote desktop to your RPi, run the built in Visual studio, compile and debug the code in place, and you dont even have to setup a stupid GCC, write makefiles, look at the stupid awful GUIs, or other Linuxee thingies.

[Rigby]

You can do that now, with the Intel Galileo, except you run Visual Studio on your desktop and the build process deploys to the Galileo and lets you remote debug the app while it runs on the Galileo.

It's a semi-big deal to embedded Windows devs.

[Bassman59]

lol. The only reason apple is doing so well is because they are currently in fashion. But fashion changes.

True, fashion changes, but it seems like Apple has been the fashion leader for what, 15 years now?

I think that given some time, there will be more open source operating systems that become popular and are more well supported by corporate developers. Might be several years off though.

That future has been "several years off" for what, thirty years now?

I think the future of general applications is open source too, given that there are already lots of great open source alternatives to shareware applications. Gone will be the day companies have to pay extortionate maintenance fees just for microsoft office and windows or customers paying for subscriptions for basic tools and antivirus.

That future has been several years off for more than several years, too.

I suppose the issue comes down to: "do application-software programmers deserve to eat?"

[Mechatrommer]

I suppose the issue comes down to: "do application-software programmers deserve to eat?"

since someone has leaked i went to the deep end.... you want to know the ugly truth about it? well, no i'd rather not to speak of it here, provoking trolls and all... let people find it out the hard way by themselves... and you are  talking about ossw has been 30 years off? you are correct, but for the ossw to be in the lead, that is far from now. guess why? well, i'd rather not to speak of it here, provoking trolls and all...