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What's the comms protocol? It sounds like you control both ends, so I assume you also have control over the messaging protocols and formats (APDU)?
You may be able to build the security into the messaging protocol using pre-placed symmetric keys (eg AES-256) and include the selected key number in the header of the message.
The use of small 8-bit devices in endpoints allows the use of symmetric algorithms such as AES quite easily.

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Test Equipment / Re: Tek 2465 Horizontal Sweep Issue
« Last post by bdunham7 on Today at 02:24:28 am »
I see the problem, it's upside-downish!

It looks like it's not user error.  You can try pushing the mode selector lever down once to change from AUTO LVL to AUTO, changing the timebase and working all the pushbutton switches a few times to see if anything changes.  It probably won't and it looks like there's an issue near the U700 A-Sweep hybrid or its related circuitry.  If the cursors and readouts are working, U800 and a lot of other things are working fine.  Hopefully you have another scope to use in troubleshooting?
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Beginners / Re: defective supercap?
« Last post by CaptDon on Today at 02:20:49 am »
You got parts delivered to Antarctica from Mouser?? It's a pain in the ass to get them to Iceland! When first applying a voltage to any capacitor it will appear as a dead short if it is in an energy storage type circuit. You have to current limit the charge with a simple resistor.
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General Technical Chat / Re: Cheapest way to get date/time from GPS
« Last post by EPAIII on Today at 02:20:49 am »
I know that today everything is about satellites and the internet, but is there some reason why you wouldn't use WWV? It has been used for over 100 years as a world time standard.

I have a digital clock sitting here in my office that synchronizes with their broadcast signal. I bought it at Walmart for around US$35. It runs with battery power and always has the correct time. I am sure there are more professional receivers that can easily provide the time in electronic/digital form.

It is my understanding that the WWV signals (they have five transmitters on different frequencies) do reach world wide. The five different frequencies ensure that the signal can be received almost anywhere. They are run by the US Naval Observatory and have an accuracy of 100 ns of UTC. The time is encoded in the signal in a simple manner. They also provide accurate frequency signals.

I don't know if they still do, but in the past they distributed tables of the error at different times and locations so an event that was recorded at different locations could have the time differential calculated to a high accuracy at some time after recording those observations. It is older technology, but it is still there. And it is free to all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWV_(radio_station)

https://www.nist.gov/pml/time-and-frequency-division/time-distribution/radio-station-wwv

https://nortonsafe.search.ask.com/web?q=wwv%20receivers&ssdcat=321&lang=en&source=nag&year=2015&locale=en_us&geo=us&version=22.23.10.10&plang=sym:en&buildname=retail&heartbeatid=4ae3d98c-56e4-4df2-adf1-00b1d085e47e&eapenabled=false&env=prod&vendorid=1014930&plid=866&plgid=41&skup=21389648&skum=21376863&skuf=90001202-fa&endpointid=4ae3d98c-56e4-4df2-adf1-00b1d085e47e&lic_type=2&lic_attr=17059858&psn=7jjxx287wjvq&templatecat=sbu_w_1000_5039_n360dsp_retail&schemacat=sbu_w&schemaver=1.0.0.0&olpchannel=retail&osvers=10.0&oslocale=iso:usa&oslang=iso:eng&os=windows&showuninstallsurvey=1&installstatus=updated&vendorsrc=firefox&machinelocation=us&sw=0&3in1=0&npw=0&hp=0&dsp=0&cdest=nag&annot=false&vendorConfigured=ask&o=APN12178&prt=ngc&ver=3.21.0.6&tpr=111&chn=1014930&guid=4ae3d98c-56e4-4df2-adf1-00b1d085e47e&doi=2023-11-26&browser=FireFox&prod=DS&doi=2023-11-26&installSource=nag&cmpgn=oct23&darkMode=false&sameTabLaunch=false

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Projects, Designs, and Technical Stuff / Re: Inverted Alligator Clips?
« Last post by rdl on Today at 02:06:52 am »
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Vintage Computing / Re: Magnetic core memory?
« Last post by amyk on Today at 01:56:49 am »
I found this module. Pls pm me if you want it.
I can't read the chip clearly, but it looks like the TI logo,
and I heard TI made a pulse sensor for the detect part of the circuit.
They look like SN1400N/SN1401N/SN1402N. Datecodes of 70xx i.e. 1970. Some have TI and some have Motorola logos. There's an interesting discussion here about whether SN14xx are actually 74xx series, which seems unlikely in that example: https://marc.info/?t=129197766200004&r=2&w=2
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Please help me put together a bunch of the disorganized concepts floating in my mind.

I have just learned the (not so hard) way how using a typical floating SMPS power adapter and pursuing
my best intentions in ESD safety rules led me to just the opposite effect of what was intended. You can refer to the thread...
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/ruining-mosfets-with-a-transistor-tester-and-tweezers/
...where the consensus of the much more experienced than me forum members made a conclusion that the Leakage Current from the SMPS power adapter coupled with my grounding wrist strap resulted in permanent damage to a few (cloned Ali) MOSFETs. Not a big a deal but the most unpleasant moment in that accident was that I weren't even aware of the potentially dangerous practice I tried to adopt.

I'll try to formulate my questions so that they make sense which is not easy because of my lack of the fundamental knowledge in EE.

- The three closely related but not directly dependable concepts that I try to put together are: Personal electrical safety; Earth ground referencing of the workbench equipment and DUTs; ESD safety. As I mentioned above due to my lack of experience the first and the last of the three mentioned concepts played a joke on me and I rendered useless couple of the cloned FETs (luckily not the genuine ones).

- Let's skip over the most important of the three concepts, the 'Personal electrical safety' in the context of this discussion. The Earth grounding lines are there for safety and being aware of the hot side of PSUs should be enough to avoid the electrical shock in the first approximation (well, not really but...)

- Regarding the Earth ground referencing of the equipment and DUTs.

  Suppose we've got the following setup on the workbench:
1. A breadboard with an STM32 devboard and some peripherals (LEDs, LCD, half a dozen of sensors). This setup is powered from the floating SMPS wall adapter (a 5V "USB" charger). The STM32 board and the breadboard commons are floating and unreferenced to Earth ground.
2. An arbitrary Waveform Generator (AWG), say an amateur favourite UNI-T UTG962E. This AWG is powered by an external floating SMPS power adapter as well. Not Earth ground referenced. The AWG provides signals to the STM32 devboard.
3. A Rigol DS11020-E oscilloscope which is powered by an internal SMPS and the oscilloscope is Earth ground referenced and Earth grounded at the same time.
4. Not permanent (on demand), the PC USB connection to the STM32 USB port when the PC interaction/MCU flashing is required.
5. An electronics enthusiast (the operator) wearing a grounding wrist strap connected to the mains Ground through a 1 MOhm resistor.

In the above configuration we've got 3 units of the equipment (setting the PC as a unit aside) with the 2 of the former having floating circuit commons (the devboard and the AWG) and the third (the oscilloscope) having the Earth ground common both internally and also externally (at the BNC connector).

Assume the operator is aware of the Leakage Current from the SMPS adapter powering the board and (s)he tries tries to be careful not to touch any of the STM32 board pins with the fingers when manipulating the Dupont wires but that's just taking risks, not the remedy.
By the way, there are two transient, potentially safe configurations in this setup when the board's common is effectively Earth ground referenced: 1. When the oscilloscope ground lead is connected to the board's common and/or 2.- when the USB (naturally having the Earth ground provided) is connected to the board's USB port. However one can't rely on these transient connections in the equipment safety context.

Questions:
- If one doesn't replace the board's power supply in the form of SMPS AC/DC adapter with the battery power block (which is preferable as it was explained to me in the 'Blowing the MOSFETs' thread mentioned above) but continues to use the SMPS as the power supply for whatever reason, would it make the described setup much safer by connecting the Earth ground directly to the board's common, effectively providing the Earth ground to the secondary of the SMPS?
In other words, simply connecting the secondary of the SMPS to the Earth ground.
What's the Good and the Bad of this modification?

- Leaving the STM32 board's power supply for a moment (having provided two options, the battery or the Earth ground) let's move on to the Waveform Generator, the UNI-T UTG962E.
My first question would be: In the described setup with the UNI-T having floating power supply and unreferenced BNC output terminals are there any potential problems presented to the AWG itself (for instance from the operator's grounding wrist strap) and from the AWG to the rest of the equipment?
I mean - the lack of the Earth ground reference in the AWG stock setup.

There is a YT channel by Tony Albus and I think I've seen his posts on this Forum. In his #189 episode on YT he describes adding what he calls the "JUNTEK PSG 9080 External Reference and Ground Mod" to his AWG.

While in his video Tony shows his procedure of adding the External Earth ground reference to the device he doesn't talk much about the reason - Why he did that. So, why did Tony modified his Juntek (and all of his AWGs for that matter) with the external Earth ground reference?
  Does it have to do something with:
   - The device safety itself;
   - Safety of the rest of the setup to which he connects the now Earth ground referenced AWG?
   - Both or anything else? - I.e. not the circuit safety concerns but rather functional requirements, that is - signal equalization and rectification, etc.?
Why does Tony suggest in his YT video that in some situations the Earth ground reference he built into his AWGs is beneficial and in other cases not? He provided a switch at the back of the AWG for Earth ground reference On/Off.

I've already composed a rather lengthy post and I feel I need to stop here and not to go into further details at this point.
To summarise my post, my major question is whether it is necessary, having being maintained the operator ESD safety setup, to Earth ground reference all the equipment in the workbench configuration and what are the downsides of this.

For instance, in his famous 'EEVblog #279 - How NOT To Blow Up Your Oscilloscope!' YT video Dave suggests that having the "Arduino" powered by an SMPS AC/DC adapter is beneficial in the sense that the oscilloscope ground lead can be placed anywhere in the circuit without much worry but once the MCU board is Earth ground referenced one has to be aware of that.
Well - it's not a problem provided the operator watches closely and understands where (s)he connects the probe BUT - Dave said nothing about the inherent SMPS secondary Leakage current and he wasn't actually supposed to mention it in the context of that great video. It's just another question and another potential problem that needs to be addressed separately.

Please feel free to share your thoughts on the subject. I'll be away from my PC for the next five days (old school, sorry) but I'm looking forward to your replies that hopefully will help me demystify this really confusing bunch of the ideas and concepts.

To Earth ground reference or NOT to Earth ground reference? That's the question. And if YES - how far one wants to go?
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If it is a real small DUT with integrated antenna such as a BT earphone and antenna relies on a ground as part of antenna, monopoles, F-antennas, which mirrors itself in  PCB ground => adding a measurement cable will change measured antenna impedance as cable braids will extend PCB ground size.
Correct impedance matching is then not possible if not some action are taken.
   
Even if PCB ground length is long relative actual wavelength will there be hot places along ground where a coaxial cable leaving PCB more heavily will affect measured impedance. Depending on situation can cable effect be reduced in a number of ways.
Sleeves and ferrite tubes to "cut off" cable braid works relative well at 1-3 GHz even if ferrite tubes material not are totally cutting or absorbing the braid current. Select ferrite material intended for as high frequencies as possible.
Never let test cable leave PCB ground at a ground corner or near antenna location.Especially if PCB ground is lossy from RF view or very short, such as split in small isles and traces, is it hard to avoid that coax cable braid becomes a vital part of antenna, which will result in a very different and probably poor impedance matching when cable is removed.
Sometimes must several ways be tested how to attach test cable without affect too much how RF current behaves in PCB ground. Hard to explain but I use a finger to search for places along ground that reacts more heavily at Smith chart, to find places to avoid letting cable leave PCB.
   
 Do below show how a cable is attached at a medium small PCB using just two small ferrite tubes around measurement cable. It is not ideal high impedance blockers or absorbers but it is just a marginal antenna affect by test cable remaining. https://youtu.be/RyMFun_KhAc?si=PkSXL6TAsHgfyyEe
 
 As the PCB in above video will be used close to a human head must also that be taken in account in how ground behaves and how body nearness can move around ground hot spots. If above video had been a customer project  had I probably done more detailed testing in different environments to find best impedance matching. Now was it a fictive job just to show principles how to do a 10 minutes quick impedance matching using AnTune software. 
 
>Many  of the antenna designers I have met have used "Carbon-Based Foam Absorbers"
None of my antenna design  colleges can use such material to avoid that cable braid  affects antenna impedance as its absorption effect is very low for short cable lengths, close to PCB.
 
 >ferrites that are narrowband in comparison 
   
 High freq. ferrites can very hardly be said to be narrow band but do mostly peak at 1-1.5 GHz in absorption efficiency and at 5 GHz are effect a bit too low to result in avoiding test cable very measurable acts as an low loss ground extension.
 So fare have I been lucky with antenna design and matching  at 5-6 GHz as in such cases have PCB ground been low loss and several lambdas in size which reduces problem that braid adds to ground size and hot spots can easier be avoided.
 A sleeve as alternative will always work. It is more narrow band but mostly wide enough to cover bands of interest at 5-6 GHz.
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Test Equipment / Re: Tek 2465 Horizontal Sweep Issue
« Last post by kellymcdonald78 on Today at 01:50:14 am »
Here you go. I also ran the self test and it comes back clean
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Test Equipment / Re: Tek 2465 Horizontal Sweep Issue
« Last post by bdunham7 on Today at 01:43:38 am »
I'm not sure if what I'm seeing is the hybrid chip failure or not, but for the life of me I can't seem to get a horizontal sweep (entirely possible this is user error). Everything else seems to work, I get a dot on screen, display works fine, I can adjust manually horizontally and vertically and the cursors (both T and V) work. I haven't used this scope in a decade and wanted to rule anything obvious out before I start tearing it apart. I followed the manual details to get a baseline, but no scan

Can you post a clear photo of the front of the scope as this happens?  We should be able to spot any user errors that way.
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