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Connecting an Oscilloscope to the primary side of a SMPS

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vk6zgo:

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--- Quote from: OutThere on March 21, 2023, 03:53:03 am ---so what this guy is doing is dangerous?

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Yep.  Every metal part of his scope is potentially live, and perhaps other things as a result.  If he were to use the isolation transformer on the DUT (television in this case) that would not be the case.

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I certainly wouldn't do it.

Back when BJTs were "king" in SMPS, I repaired more of them than I like to remember, & if I absolutely had to probe the thing for waveforms, I floated the DUT, not the 'scope.

You might have noticed in the video that most of the actual fault finding was done using a DMM on the Continuity or Ohms ranges, with the 'scope just being used to check the correct pulses appeared, so he could have just "buttoned things up" & seen whether the TV worked.
I found that after fixing a few SMPS, most of the time, I did my testing without the need to apply power.

I have seen 'scope floating done, but this was in a specific situation where testing needed to be phase to phase on a 3ph system.
The 'scope was placed on a dry, wooden "Technician's stool" to avoid inadvertent earthing.

To do the actual tests a primary team of three was involved: -

One to observe, another to stand by & yell loudly in case of trouble, & yet another standing with his hand on the main breaker handle ready to open the circuit if he heard a yell.
There were several others who were doing other work nearby, but "keeping a weather eye" out for trouble.

Measuring 50Hz phase to phase "hands free"   in such a situation is relatively easy, as the 'scope can be set up to "line trigger", & the volts/div set for a convenient range in advance.
The "three people" setup was rigidly adhered to, however, & unless you can reproduce such conditions, "floating" a 'scope is a very bad idea! :--

To bring things into context----'scopes with isolated inputs were rare & specialised in those days, & differential probes cost as much as the original oscilloscope.

David Hess:
If you cannot use a suitable differential probe, then use the isolation transformer on the device under test and leave the oscilloscope grounded.

ahbushnell:

--- Quote from: vk6zgo on March 24, 2023, 12:49:10 am ---
To bring things into context----'scopes with isolated inputs were rare & specialised in those days, & differential probes cost as much as the original oscilloscope.

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We used a "USB" scope that had Ethernet.  We used a Ethernet to fiberoptic coupler and operated the scope on the computer from another room.  This was for a MW class system.

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