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Offline mtdoc

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Re: Reliable sources of clean energy and human nature.
« Reply #75 on: July 06, 2018, 06:26:14 pm »
 Next gen nuclear is like next gen batteries and cold fusion, it’s always the solution and it’s always just  a few years away...
 

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« Reply #76 on: July 06, 2018, 06:38:50 pm »
Those next gen nuclear is so much in the planing stage, that it will likely never come. One also has to be careful with promises made - much is marketing speak to keep the research funding alive. So keep an eye on the  :bullshit:.  In that phase of development especially US researchers tend to promise essentially everything they can not easy prove to be wrong (some don't even seem to care if other prove them wrong).

Even with fusion the decay of tritium would take more than 30 years to really get contamination down. Of cause I don't know the units ears for time so maybe 1 ear = 100 years.  :-DD
 

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Re: Reliable sources of clean energy and human nature.
« Reply #77 on: July 06, 2018, 07:16:55 pm »
If Fukushima had been a sodium cooled reactor the results would have been far far worse.
 
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Offline DougSpindler

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Re: Reliable sources of clean energy and human nature.
« Reply #78 on: July 06, 2018, 09:15:59 pm »
Thorium is dead technology at this time.  If Next Gen Nuclear is just a few years away why is France building a facility?   And isn’t hina building a next iteration nuclear reactor with the American Company Terra Power?

 

Offline IanMacdonald

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Re: Reliable sources of clean energy and human nature.
« Reply #79 on: July 07, 2018, 10:18:51 pm »
Thorium was tested in the 60's and worked very well indeed.  Problem isn't the technology but the financial backers preferring the mainstream product to anything remotely unusual. 

The situation with cold fusion (LENR) is rather perplexing, after all if the results are as good as claimed then why isn't it already in commercial production? I suspect because although positive results have been had, replicating them reliably has proved difficult. Other thing is that many labs won't work on it because it's too controversial.  It may well be the real game changer though once it's fully understood.
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« Reply #80 on: July 07, 2018, 10:52:26 pm »
Thorium needs a breeder and bootstrapping with uranium+plutonium any way ... for what purpose? Just breed the uranium and forget about the extra complexity, with breeding we aren't going to run out soon.
 

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Re: Reliable sources of clean energy and human nature.
« Reply #81 on: July 09, 2018, 08:17:20 am »
Thorium was tested in the 60's and worked very well indeed.  Problem isn't the technology but the financial backers preferring the mainstream product to anything remotely unusual. 

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You are correct Thorium was tested.....  But worked well??????   Don’t think so unles you call a partial melt down and the release of a radioactive gas into the atmosphere as working well.

May make sense to you......  But not to me?




 



 

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Re: Reliable sources of clean energy and human nature.
« Reply #82 on: July 09, 2018, 08:35:29 am »
Thorium needs a breeder and bootstrapping with uranium+plutonium any way ... for what purpose? Just breed the uranium and forget about the extra complexity, with breeding we aren't going to run out soon.

And let’s not forget we already have a 750 year supply of enriched uranium we created.  Seems rather silly not to use the fuel we already have.  And since the Americans and Europeans aren’t willing to build the reactors China is.  So now not only are “we” giving the technology to the Chinese we will be giving them the fuel to power it.  So while the Ameraincans and Europeans screw around tying to figure out what to do while burning more coal the Chinese will be producing electricty with “our” fuel and “our” technology.



 

Offline f4eru

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Re: Reliable sources of clean energy and human nature.
« Reply #83 on: July 11, 2018, 05:03:06 pm »
Not really
In the next 20 Years, China plans to build :
1200 GW of Solar plants
20 GW of nuke plants.

Yeah. They keep nukes around to get plutonium, they don't care about nuke power.
 

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Re: Reliable sources of clean energy and human nature.
« Reply #84 on: July 16, 2018, 01:24:34 am »
With Next Gen nuclear if there should be a Chernoby or Fukushima size accident  accident in just 20-30 ears all of the radio-active istopses would have decayed away.

That isn't how half-life works. There will *always* be some fraction of the original radioisotope remaining as long as you have more than a single atom left. If the half-life of whatever these fantasy reactors use is less than a year, meaning you'd have about a millionth of the original radioisotope remaining after 20 years, you're dealing with a very very unstable isotope.
 


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